Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Lenny we should of talked further about this in Amsterdam, did you go?

Well let's talk about it in Thailand, we will be there.

So can it be done with NATS, can someone follow through the sponsors site and go to the processors page and lose the affiliate code?

I personally think a lot of this shaving talk is bullshit, think about how many threads there are and how many times SOLID proof has been brought up. Yes big gap.

The best way to get and keep affiliates is to pay them LOTS OF MONEY. The easiest way to lose them is to pay them less than the affiliate they are using. So anyone who shaves is killing his own business.

Unless you are accusing affiliates of being to dim to see the drop in revenue. I think affiliates are clever enough to notice less money coming from a sponsor.

But if you thought like a businessman you would understand that.

Show me your paysite and I will tell you if your exclusive contnet is better or not than non exclusive and I will tell you why. Do you have a paysite?

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

hey paul. i think many people misunderstand what your trying to say and your misunderstanding what everyone else is saying..

Ill break it down for you ( and everyone else )

Most webmasters pretty well do what your suggesting on a regular basis.. for those that dont, its a usefull tip.. some people think your suggesting a foolproof method of catching shaving , and of course you aren't..

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

paul's tip here is applicable. I found in the past a very known teen aff.program that was altering my ccbill id through a php linking code. Unfortunately I wasnt fast enough to duplicate it on time to provide evidences of it, but i'll keep an eye in the future.

Originally Posted by Lenny2

Paul there is a TON about this business that you don't know, you need to quit acting like you know everything about everything because threads like these make you look like a fool.

When you were just selling content that probably didn't matter, but now that you're trying to get people to trust you with their traffic it's probably not in your best interest to let them know how thick you are.

Originally Posted by nekrom

So here's a question for you Paul.

Tell me, If a surfer follows my ccbill link code to Paul Markham Teens, (code taken direct from my ccbill aff admin) and clicks through to the Join Page.

Signs up with your secondary biller Paymonde, do I get credit for those sales? Seeing as you brang this topic up.

-N

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

I know of one large teen program that openly changes the ccbill codes within the tour. After questioning them about it, they said they would fix it. 3 months later nothing was changed. After another mail, they finally fixed one of the links a month or 2 later. But if the surfer clicks on the customer service, or contact us links, the refcode is still changed if they proceed with the tour from that window.

Anyway, to say that CCBill programs are unshaveable is untrue imo(and not just in the rebills area), but of course, I guess that depends on your definition of shaving.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes you get credited and I have to send you the money. The two affiliate programs are now linked. I never knew it could be done until recently. but it's fixed now.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Show me your paysite and I will tell you if your exclusive contnet is better or not than non exclusive and I will tell you why. Do you have a paysite?