2257ok web service simplifies manual exchange of 2257 docs - GoFuckYourself.com

Tam2257ok · 09-19-2006, 05:36 PM

Hiya, We just launched a web service to simplify 2257 record exchange for primary and secondary producers.

Our secure web service delivers full 2257 records from a content seller' database directly into the buyer's database. Our multi-platform web technology integrates easily and works with 2257 record-keeping software.

KEY BENEFITS TO PRIMARY PRODUCERS:
(1) Your 2257 records are always ready-to-go. That means your buyer gets the full docs sooner and you get your money faster.
(2) No more manual distribution of 2257 docs
(3) Auto handling of any corrections you made to existing records - the changes are downloaded to your buyers' database automatically.
(4) You are in complete control of who downloads your records.

KEY BENEFITS TO SECONDARY PRODUCERS:
(1) No more worries over undelivered or incomplete 2257 records
(2) Auto handling of record corrections made by the primary producer gives you peace of mind
(3) You can grant your buyers access and do away with manual 2257 doc releases (The primary producer has to explicitly give you permission to do this.)

We're currently working with major 2257 software vendors and in-house developers to bring this convenient service to producers. The API is currently provided free to developers. To get the service, contact your software developer (have them visit 2257ok.com) or contact Tammy Zhang:
ICQ: 10315562
Yahoo and AIM: Tam2257ok
Tel: 408.625.7451

Thanks for reading

After Shock Media · 09-19-2006, 05:40 PM

I was under the silly assumption that ones records can not be kept online and databases were ok only if they were on a local pc.

DateDoc · 09-19-2006, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I was under the silly assumption that ones records can not be kept online and databases were ok only if they were on a local pc.

From looking at their site they store all the 2257 docs and allow you to download the ones you need to a local PC.

After Shock Media · 09-19-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterPorn

From looking at their site they store all the 2257 docs and allow you to download the ones you need to a local PC.

Umm so whats the point? Ussually when I download the content it has 2257 stuff in it.

lazide2 · 09-19-2006, 06:13 PM

oh, I get it - looks like the 2257 software you use would automatically transfer stuff with it. fuck yeah, no more cut-n-paste!

kinda nice I guess to avoid spending all my time dicking with everything?

After Shock Media · 09-19-2006, 06:26 PM

Ok so basicly it just adds the info into my database saving me the time of double checking ids, releases, and typing the info in ourselves.

Oddly of course the pricing page requires email etc, no straight foward price. This I do not like. Also something about business volume, hmm why does that matter?

I see a few issues and questions with all of this, feel free to correct me.
You are removing manual redundancy checks by the buyers, or is your company assuring everything is complete and accurate?
Is your pricing monthly based, yearly based, one time? If I stop paying what happens?
For a buyer is it more expensive to use you to copy and paste than it would be to hire an in house temp or minimum wage data importer?
Are there any safe guards in place assuring that you are allowed to legally send me such personal information without fear of a privacy lawsuit?

Tam2257ok · 09-19-2006, 06:58 PM

We charge secondary producers a small account maintenance fee of $10 per month (first month free) - there is no per record charge, or fee to download the records. Once you have downloaded the records, you can cancel the service at any time and keep the data. So you can get your records at no charge (as long as the primary producer uses us) directly into your software, and only pay the maintenance fee if you like the service.

Gaybucks · 09-19-2006, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I was under the silly assumption that ones records can not be kept online and databases were ok only if they were on a local pc.

I would be very interested to know more about why you believe this to be true. Not saying you're wrong, just haven't seen anything in the regulations that addresses this (other than individual state laws governing privacy protections)

I know there were a couple of companies offering online 2257 solutions... but not sure if any of them are still afloat.

squishypimp · 09-19-2006, 08:33 PM

how can i get into beta testing?

tony286 · 09-19-2006, 08:35 PM

how do we know you are safe to hold all this info ?

MaddCaz · 09-19-2006, 08:38 PM

is there simplifying?

Martin3 · 09-19-2006, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazide2

oh, I get it - looks like the 2257 software you use would automatically transfer stuff with it. fuck yeah, no more cut-n-paste!

kinda nice I guess to avoid spending all my time dicking with everything?

Obvious fake nick for Tam2257ok

After Shock Media · 09-19-2006, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaybucks

I would be very interested to know more about why you believe this to be true. Not saying you're wrong, just haven't seen anything in the regulations that addresses this (other than individual state laws governing privacy protections)

I know there were a couple of companies offering online 2257 solutions... but not sure if any of them are still afloat.

I would really need to double check, I am near positive I saw that listed in one interpretation. Not to mention in the event you get a raid what is the likely hood they will sit there while you download the required files or worse yet what it your isp goes down, or the company site is offline for whatever reason.
Also I am pretty sure most online solutions would not meet the qualifications of whom can be a record keeper, same with an offsite attorney etc.
Then what shall you do place an ip number as the address of your custodian of records? It states you must have a physical address open during reasonable business hours.

Again this is all from memory right now and I aint no attorney. I just play it super fucking safe with my records.

tony286 · 09-19-2006, 09:00 PM

the person has to be a employee or owner of the company, cant be a lawyer or a offsite service.

Tam2257ok · 09-20-2006, 12:29 PM

Based on our attorney's interpretation of the law, online services which do NOT store local copies in a usable form (ours does) do not comply with the law. It explicitly states that agents have to be able to seize the records, and that the records be stored at the physical business location.

Our service is designed to allow your software to download the records into your local database for exactly this reason, and you get the benefits of both worlds - easy information transfers, and a local copy for legal compliance.

Feel free to contact me if you have more questions:
Tammy Zhang
Entertainment Records
Tel: 408.625.7451 (PST)
ICQ:10315565
Y! and AIM: tam2257ok

Tam2257ok · 09-20-2006, 12:41 PM

We are out of beta. We do offer free developer accounts, so if you'd like to interface with your program, you can sign up for one on our website (on 2257ok.com, go to Developers and then Get Started).

--------------
Tammy Zhang, Entertainment Records, Tel: 408.625.7451 (PST)
ICQ:10315565, Y! and MSN: tam2257ok

L-Pink · 09-20-2006, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tam2257ok

Based on our attorney's interpretation of the law, online services which do NOT store local copies in a usable form (ours does) do not comply with the law. It explicitly states that agents have to be able to seize the records, and that the records be stored at the physical business location.

Our service is designed to allow your software to download the records into your local database for exactly this reason, and you get the benefits of both worlds - easy information transfers, and a local copy for legal compliance.

By seize the records you mean seize the computer. Is that a good idea

tranza · 09-20-2006, 12:49 PM

Who cares about 2257 really?

After Shock Media · 09-20-2006, 02:29 PM

You seemed to skip a few questions.

Adult Warden · 09-20-2006, 02:44 PM

Now let me get this right...The site who is suppose to help keep records straight for documentation...Has domains by proxy?

http://whois.domaintools.com/2257ok.com

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Gaybucks · 09-20-2006, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I would really need to double check, I am near positive I saw that listed in one interpretation. Not to mention in the event you get a raid what is the likely hood they will sit there while you download the required files or worse yet what it your isp goes down, or the company site is offline for whatever reason.
Also I am pretty sure most online solutions would not meet the qualifications of whom can be a record keeper, same with an offsite attorney etc.
Then what shall you do place an ip number as the address of your custodian of records? It states you must have a physical address open during reasonable business hours.

Again this is all from memory right now and I aint no attorney. I just play it super fucking safe with my records.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tam2257ok

Based on our attorney's interpretation of the law, online services which do NOT store local copies in a usable form (ours does) do not comply with the law. It explicitly states that agents have to be able to seize the records, and that the records be stored at the physical business location.

Our service is designed to allow your software to download the records into your local database for exactly this reason, and you get the benefits of both worlds - easy information transfers, and a local copy for legal compliance.

Thanks to both for the clarification. We currently use an in-house Access database but are switching to an in-house PHP/MySQL database which will also have appropriate portions web-accessible to our affiliates using our materials for promotion (the ones who choose not to use our hosted galleries, etc.) in compliance with 4472.

I understand that we can't use a third party to store records offsite. My concern was whether or not the records must physically be *stored* on the office/custodian's premises, or whether they must be *accessible* from there. Our solution (which we developed in-house) does allow a copy of the records to be kept on a local machine (which will be dedicated for that use and no other, in compliance with the regs), but the idea was to keep the primary copy offsite for backup/data security/disaster recovery reasons. Obvilously, an up-to-date copy would have to be maintained locally in case the ISP goes down while the inspection is happening, but other than that, I would think that storing the records offsite would be OK as long as an on-site copy is available.

Also, does anyone know if the law allows *seizure* of the records (which to me means removing them from the office) as opposed to *copying* of the records? I was of the impression they were permitted to copy them but I didn't see anything about seizure (except, of course, if they have evidence of a felony in the records or a search warrant.)

Thanks in advance for any clarification/info.

After Shock Media · 09-20-2006, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaybucks

Thanks to both for the clarification. We currently use an in-house Access database but are switching to an in-house PHP/MySQL database which will also have appropriate portions web-accessible to our affiliates using our materials for promotion (the ones who choose not to use our hosted galleries, etc.) in compliance with 4472.

I understand that we can't use a third party to store records offsite. My concern was whether or not the records must physically be *stored* on the office/custodian's premises, or whether they must be *accessible* from there. Our solution (which we developed in-house) does allow a copy of the records to be kept on a local machine (which will be dedicated for that use and no other, in compliance with the regs), but the idea was to keep the primary copy offsite for backup/data security/disaster recovery reasons. Obvilously, an up-to-date copy would have to be maintained locally in case the ISP goes down while the inspection is happening, but other than that, I would think that storing the records offsite would be OK as long as an on-site copy is available.

Also, does anyone know if the law allows *seizure* of the records (which to me means removing them from the office) as opposed to *copying* of the records? I was of the impression they were permitted to copy them but I didn't see anything about seizure (except, of course, if they have evidence of a felony in the records or a search warrant.)

Thanks in advance for any clarification/info.

Nothing wrong with keeping a backup.

As for copying vs. seizure. That is a touchy one really. What are you going to do if they do want to take them?

Personally I keep a copy just for that reason. Of course though I would fully expect them to also take my damn PC and other shit to. So I am prepared for that as well.

Tam2257ok · 09-20-2006, 06:35 PM

Domains by proxy: Don't you use it? We got tired of the spam. You could always give us a call (408-625-7451) or check our SSL certificates.

Record Accuracy: Primary producers are responsible for the quality of the records. We can't do anything more than verify that everything that has put in our system is available to a secondary producer.

Privacy: You cannot access a primary producer's records unless they explicitly give you (you meaning your account) access. They cannot just give access to everyone, and we have very strict security in place to make sure accounts are not hacked. Primary producers are responsible for giving access only to those that should have it, and the consequences of that (just as they are now with emailed, faxed, etc records).

>how do we know you are safe to hold all this info?
It is our business keeping them safe and accessible to only authorized people, and we plan to be doing it for a long time.

Tammy Zhang, Entertainment Records, Tel: 408.625.7451 (PST)
ICQ:10315565, Y! and MSN: tam2257ok

09-19-2006, 05:36 PM	#1
Tam2257ok Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7	2257ok web service simplifies manual exchange of 2257 docs Hiya, We just launched a web service to simplify 2257 record exchange for primary and secondary producers. Our secure web service delivers full 2257 records from a content seller' database directly into the buyer's database. Our multi-platform web technology integrates easily and works with 2257 record-keeping software. KEY BENEFITS TO PRIMARY PRODUCERS: (1) Your 2257 records are always ready-to-go. That means your buyer gets the full docs sooner and you get your money faster. (2) No more manual distribution of 2257 docs (3) Auto handling of any corrections you made to existing records - the changes are downloaded to your buyers' database automatically. (4) You are in complete control of who downloads your records. KEY BENEFITS TO SECONDARY PRODUCERS: (1) No more worries over undelivered or incomplete 2257 records (2) Auto handling of record corrections made by the primary producer gives you peace of mind (3) You can grant your buyers access and do away with manual 2257 doc releases (The primary producer has to explicitly give you permission to do this.) We're currently working with major 2257 software vendors and in-house developers to bring this convenient service to producers. The API is currently provided free to developers. To get the service, contact your software developer (have them visit 2257ok.com) or contact Tammy Zhang: ICQ: 10315562 Yahoo and AIM: Tam2257ok Tel: 408.625.7451 Thanks for reading __________________ www.2257ok.com Stop hassling with 2257 record keeping! Record keeping management and exchange made easy.

09-19-2006, 05:40 PM	#2
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	I was under the silly assumption that ones records can not be kept online and databases were ok only if they were on a local pc. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

09-19-2006, 06:13 PM	#5
lazide2 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1	automatic import oh, I get it - looks like the 2257 software you use would automatically transfer stuff with it. fuck yeah, no more cut-n-paste! kinda nice I guess to avoid spending all my time dicking with everything?

09-19-2006, 06:26 PM	#6
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Ok so basicly it just adds the info into my database saving me the time of double checking ids, releases, and typing the info in ourselves. Oddly of course the pricing page requires email etc, no straight foward price. This I do not like. Also something about business volume, hmm why does that matter? I see a few issues and questions with all of this, feel free to correct me. You are removing manual redundancy checks by the buyers, or is your company assuring everything is complete and accurate? Is your pricing monthly based, yearly based, one time? If I stop paying what happens? For a buyer is it more expensive to use you to copy and paste than it would be to hire an in house temp or minimum wage data importer? Are there any safe guards in place assuring that you are allowed to legally send me such personal information without fear of a privacy lawsuit? __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

09-19-2006, 06:58 PM	#7
Tam2257ok Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7	oops...pricing for secondary producers We charge secondary producers a small account maintenance fee of $10 per month (first month free) - there is no per record charge, or fee to download the records. Once you have downloaded the records, you can cancel the service at any time and keep the data. So you can get your records at no charge (as long as the primary producer uses us) directly into your software, and only pay the maintenance fee if you like the service. __________________ www.2257ok.com Stop hassling with 2257 record keeping! Record keeping management and exchange made easy.

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09-20-2006, 12:29 PM	#15
Tam2257ok Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7	Based on our attorney's interpretation of the law, online services which do NOT store local copies in a usable form (ours does) do not comply with the law. It explicitly states that agents have to be able to seize the records, and that the records be stored at the physical business location. Our service is designed to allow your software to download the records into your local database for exactly this reason, and you get the benefits of both worlds - easy information transfers, and a local copy for legal compliance. Feel free to contact me if you have more questions: Tammy Zhang Entertainment Records Tel: 408.625.7451 (PST) ICQ:10315565 Y! and AIM: tam2257ok __________________ www.2257ok.com Stop hassling with 2257 record keeping! Record keeping management and exchange made easy.

09-20-2006, 12:41 PM	#16
Tam2257ok Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7	Free developers account We are out of beta. We do offer free developer accounts, so if you'd like to interface with your program, you can sign up for one on our website (on 2257ok.com, go to Developers and then Get Started). -------------- Tammy Zhang, Entertainment Records, Tel: 408.625.7451 (PST) ICQ:10315565, Y! and MSN: tam2257ok __________________ www.2257ok.com Stop hassling with 2257 record keeping! Record keeping management and exchange made easy.

09-20-2006, 12:49 PM	#18
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Who cares about 2257 really? __________________ I'm just a newbie.

09-20-2006, 02:29 PM	#19
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	You seemed to skip a few questions. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

09-20-2006, 02:44 PM	#20
Adult Warden So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,822	Now let me get this right...The site who is suppose to help keep records straight for documentation...Has domains by proxy? http://whois.domaintools.com/2257ok.com Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

09-20-2006, 06:35 PM	#23
Tam2257ok Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7	Domains by proxy: Don't you use it? We got tired of the spam. You could always give us a call (408-625-7451) or check our SSL certificates. Record Accuracy: Primary producers are responsible for the quality of the records. We can't do anything more than verify that everything that has put in our system is available to a secondary producer. Privacy: You cannot access a primary producer's records unless they explicitly give you (you meaning your account) access. They cannot just give access to everyone, and we have very strict security in place to make sure accounts are not hacked. Primary producers are responsible for giving access only to those that should have it, and the consequences of that (just as they are now with emailed, faxed, etc records). >how do we know you are safe to hold all this info? It is our business keeping them safe and accessible to only authorized people, and we plan to be doing it for a long time. Tammy Zhang, Entertainment Records, Tel: 408.625.7451 (PST) ICQ:10315565, Y! and MSN: tam2257ok __________________ www.2257ok.com Stop hassling with 2257 record keeping! Record keeping management and exchange made easy.