Nun shot dead for Pope's remarks

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http://www.comcast.net/news/index.js...qh=itn_nunshot

Italian Nun Shot Dead by Somali Gunmen
MOHAMED SHEIKH NOR, Associated Press Writer

2 hours ago

MOGADISHU, Somalia - Two gunmen killed an Italian nun and her bodyguard at a hospital Sunday, and a security official for an Islamic militia controlling the capital speculated the attack was linked to worldwide Muslim anger over a speech by Pope Benedict XVI.

The nun, whose identify was not released, was shot in the back four times at the entrance to the Austrian-run S.O.S. Hospital in northern Mogadishu, said Dr. Mohamed Yusuf, a physician at the facility, which serves mothers and children.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack, which came hours after a leading Somali cleric condemned remarks by the pope that quoted a Byzantine emperor who characterized some of the teachings of Islam's founder as "evil and inhuman."

The head of security for the Islamic militia, Yusuf Mohamed Siad, said one man had been arrested and a second was being hunted. He said the killing might have stemmed from the uproar over the pope but stressed he didn't know for sure.

"They could be people annoyed by the pope's speech, which angered all Muslims in the world, or they could have been having something to do with S.O.S," he said. "We will have to clarify this through our investigation."

A Vatican spokesman called the nun's slaying "a horrible episode," the Italian news agency ANSA said.

"Let's hope that it will be an isolated fact," the Rev. Federico Lombardi said. He expressed hope Muslim anger would ease following Benedict's explanation Sunday that the quotation he cited did not reflect his personal opinion about Islam.

The nun, who spoke fluent Somali, was believed to be around 60 and had been working at the hospital since 2002, people at the hospital said, insisting on anonymity for fear of reprisals. She taught at the hospital and also looked after children, said one doctor.

Her body was being flown to Nairobi, Kenya, before being returned to Italy, he added.

Like many foreigners, she traveled with a bodyguard in Somalia, which sank into anarchy after warlords overthrew the country's longtime dictator in 1991.

But attacks on foreigners have continued.

In June an award-winning Swedish journalist, Martin Adler, was fatally shot while covering a demonstration in Mogadishu. Veteran Italian aid worker Annalena Tonelli was shot dead in 2003 in the breakaway republic of Somaliland in the north.

Islamic fundamentalists have stepped into the political and security vacuum, seizing control of Mogadishu and much of Somalia's south, imposing strict religious rule.

A U.N.-backed acting government was established two years ago, but it has failed to assert any power outside its base in Baidoa, 150 miles from Mogadishu.

The Islamic militia's courts are credited with bringing a semblance of order, but the West fears the emergence of a Taliban-style regime.

On Sunday, a Somali cleric strongly criticized Benedict's speech.

"The pope's statement at this time was not only wrong but irresponsible as well," said Sheik Nor Barud, deputy leader of the Somali Muslim Scholars Association.

"Both the Pope and the Byzantine emperor he quoted are ignorant of Islam and its noble prophet," he told journalists at a news conference.

[Dirty Dane]

dead link...

[clickhappy]

ah fuck, im logged into comcast.

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This link should work
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...LAT E=DEFAULT

[Grapesoda]

I thinks it's time to ask islam to step off the bus

[wizhard]

Looks like the Pope got it right then

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by wizhard

Looks like the Pope got it right then

Yup and old habbits die hard.

[Expo_Vids]

savages....expect nothing less from them

[squishypimp]

Originally Posted by wizhard

Looks like the Pope got it right then

very true....

[Sly]

Surely I can't be the only one who finds it hilarious that the Pope makes less than flattering remarks about Muslims and what do they do around the world with demonstrations and murders? They prove it.

[Dvae]

Islam, The religion of peace.

Yeah right!!

[Jenny S.]

Not that I am a big fan of the Pope -in my line of biz I am pobably going to smolder in hellfire for the next gazillion of years anyway. What pisses me off is that the Pope didn't even make those remarks and every media all over the world acts as if he did.

This is what the Pope said:

I was reminded of all this recently, when I read the edition by Professor Theodore Khoury (Münster) of part of the dialogue carried on - perhaps in 1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara - by the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both. It was presumably the emperor himself who set down this dialogue, during the siege of Constantinople between 1394 and 1402; and this would explain why his arguments are given in greater detail than those of his Persian interlocutor. The dialogue ranges widely over the structures of faith contained in the Bible and in the Qur'an, and deals especially with the image of God and of man, while necessarily returning repeatedly to the relationship between - as they were called - three "Laws" or "rules of life": the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Qur'an. It is not my intention to discuss this question in the present lecture; here I would like to discuss only one point - itself rather marginal to the dialogue as a whole - which, in the context of the issue of "faith and reason", I found interesting and which can serve as the starting-point for my reflections on this issue.

In the seventh conversation (*4V8,>4H - controversy) edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion". According to the experts, this is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels", he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". The emperor, after having expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God", he says, "is not pleased by blood - and not acting reasonably (F×< 8`(T) is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...".
The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality. Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazn went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practise idolatry.

Now you tell me, where did he offend islam?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Jenny S.

Not that I am a big fan of the Pope -in my line of biz I am pobably going to smolder in hellfire for the next gazillion of years anyway. What pisses me off is that the Pope didn't even make those remarks and every media all over the world acts as if he did.

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Now you tell me, where did he offend islam?

I've read all of 2 articles saying exactly what you just said. Only 2.

The typical Muslim is from a country in Africa or the Middle East where living standards are very poor, most people are very poor, and education levels are very poor. One of the leaders pops up and says "hey, the Pope is trashing us, we must seek revenge!" And nobody is the wiser.

[scottybuzz]

hmmmmmmmmmm the sky is slowly falling

[bobby666]

i really don't get those moslems:
if someone calls their religion violent, they all get violent and do violent things

how can violent people doing violent things get violent when somone calls them or their religion violent ??

so they proof themself: they are violent

[Sly]

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman"

Is the statement I've seen mentioned in several articles. It was a quote, taken totally out of context. Yet again, poor journalism has fueled hatred.

[Hollywood376]

Two things I never understand, muslims who riot, turn over cars and light fires over speech that they find insulting...and guys who riot, turn over cars and light fires after their team wins a basketball game.

[Pleasurepays]

score one more for the great religion of peace!

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by Sly

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman"

Is the statement I've seen mentioned in several articles. It was a quote, taken totally out of context. Yet again, poor journalism has fueled hatred.

poor journalism doesn't cause idiots to act like idiots.

if i told you that your beliefs were a joke... you wouldn't be thinking "i need to kill that guy and his family" - why? because you are a part of the civilized world, living by civilized societal codes of behavior.

[Damian_Maxcash]

I find it all mind blowing - they have free rein to do what they damn well please but if someone dares quote something someone else said 1000's of years ago they go around shooting Nuns and burning churchs.

Feel free to fly planes into our buildings, bomb our trains and basicly hold the world to ransom - We in return will make sure our leaders dont even say the word "Muslim" in case it pisses you off.

Im a great believer in giving someone enough rope and letting them hang themselves - I just hope nobody tries to talk them out of it.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

poor journalism doesn't cause idiots to act like idiots.

if i told you that your beliefs were a joke... you wouldn't be thinking "i need to kill that guy and his family" - why? because you are a part of the civilized world, living by civilized societal codes of behavior.

I never said it was the reason or an excuse for Muslims to go nuts. :-) I'm simply saying I'm sick of poor and sensationalist seeking journalism. Most every article I've read included the quote I posted above and not much more. Thats total bull shit.

[timberlands]

fuck the muslims.. if I ever see any muslims in the airport I would report those fucks as suspected terrorists just for shits and giggles. 90% of them are anyhow.

[Lazonby]

It Wasn't The Muslims Who Did This! Islam Is A Religion Of Peace! Durka Durka Mohamed Jihad! Kill All Jews!

[rodney25]

I just got the news early this morning.

[msan]

The pope was soo right! Those Whiners are using that excuse to get violent.