You guys got to stop kissing ass... :1orglaugh

Sorry I meant this is the seconds one...

Sorry Herb KornField

Yeah same ole story... the show was tiny in Florida. Sure some biz was done but in my mind Internext will never be what it was and is on the way out. The smaller more personal shows is where its at now. Internext was a ghost town in VEgas last year due to two consecutive bonehead planning years .

Let's face it last years show was a disaster, anyone who spent money on a booth must be kicking themselves in the balls.

You chose a time when hotels prices were at a premium. Minimum in the Venetian was $1,000 when we tried to book. Soon after we enquired those rooms had gone.

Getting there, food, accommodation, taking time off work and possibly paying staff to come with you means a simple trip for two people can run into $10,000 and a lot more.

So what do you offer in return for my $10,000?

A couple of free parties, a few seminars, some work shops and a show floor.

Free parties, where webmasters get pissed on other peoples money.

Seminars, chance for companies to tell you about their products.

Work shops, see above. Very rarely do you really learn anything new.

Show floor, well last years was so bad you should of paid me for being there.

Networking. We do not need Internext and a free bar to network. We need someone like Juicy, Sleazy or Lightspeed to say "Let's all meet at the The Hilton New York on 25-28th of April" OK it will take some organising, but we don't need you for that.

The days of the shows in the model used in 2000 are over the business has changed and you are being left behind.

How long before you come up with the idea of throwing the show open to the CES attendees like the AVN show? The exhibitors at last years show would of been happy to get a few sign ups from the show.

can someone explain to me what avn has done for our industry besides make money off it . Other shows like the NAB to walk the show floor there is no cost and if you want to go seminars and classes then you pay. Do classes people would be willing to pay Glamour photography with Dean Capture, Videography, Video Editing, Photoshop tips, SEO classes, TGP classes. Things that are real learning.

IA2000 in New Orleans kicked ass!

I bet 70% of GFY'ers have no idea what
I am talking about :winkwink:

AVN is a business and they are meant to make money. The problem is they think yesterday and not tomorrow.

Free access to professionals would boost the number of newbies, this would be good for business. Might make the price of a booth more attractive.

Seminars where people tell me how great their product/service/company are, is not something I should pay for.

It would take Dean days to even scratch the surface to teach you how to shoot. But maybe classes on what is good porn and bad porn, what ever the niche/style might be easier and useful.

Problem is how many times do you even see a seminar on what we actually sell PORN? Go look at the seminars and it's all about the delivery vehicle and little about the product.

I think the people that are complaining about the price of a $250 pass should get their heads out of their asses.

Go check out some of the prices of the mainstream shows

ie. Adtech
Early bird special price for the exhibiton hall/keynote speakers is $1195! If you register on site the price is $1695!!!

Trust me guys, we have got it good compared to the prices of some shows. I do however think Internext needs a much needed overhaul...

DH

Nab the biggest pro video show in the country to walk the show floor is free cost nothing. My friend goes every year.

Very well said DH.

I think part of the problem is that most of these guys ( generally speaking ) don't even go to the shows. If they do, it's to get BJ's visit Whore Houses and everything else associated.

I personally gave up on the parties, most of them suck, it takes you longer to get a free drink then to go buy your own. I would rather get drunk, buy my own $5-7 beer and hang out and mingle at the Circle Bar.

But, I have been going to shows since 1999, these start to get old.

What happend to the good old days, the first Florida show where we
had Aria at our booth, we threw fake rubber boobs with Steve Sweet and the rest of his group at the end of the show.

Those were the good ol' days in my opionion.

:winkwink:

that was my point.....read what you quoted by me again. My point was you all going to charge the people that aren't attending the seminars, workshops and speakers the same price as those that are. And wow, we get a free complimentary brunch? hahahaha, give me a break. Every other show out there, the show organizers make sure that people aren't emptying their pockets when they attend their show, open bars, freew food, etc....you all are doing everything in your power to make sure people ARE emptying their pockets.

As Paul Markham said "Getting there, food, accommodation, taking time off work and possibly paying staff to come with you means a simple trip for two people can run into $10,000 and a lot more."

You need to help US offset these expenses....we understand AVN wants to make money, we WANT avn to make money, but do you all have to be so blatantly greedy about it?

XBiz is going to kick AVN's ass when it comes to the Vegas show, take some pointers from them and see how they did it successfully in Vegas, everyone LOVED that show.

also, take time to read some of the replies in this thread, you all might learn something

Very well said, I told this to AVN people over 3 years ago when
I quite paying to have a high priced booth, for nothing.

did you not notice that a shitload of people that set up booths last year are bitching also? what about the people that attended last year and their bitching? this is coming from people that ATTEND these shows, and do so faithfully every year....not from some newbies bvitching about spending $250

comparing everything to AdTech is a little wierd, check out their speaker list - http://www.ad-tech.com/speakers-chicago.asp?subevent=6

plus, if you just want to walk the exhibit floor at AdTech, it is FREE....the people that throw adtech know that they are cashing in on the floor space rental already, so they don't feel the need to milk the attendees also.

Mark, you also gotta remember that there is lots of competition that AVN has during the year which sets the bar in the industry. So when you bitch about $250 for the product as compared to what you get from the competition for less and a better reward, then yes you have a right to bitch.

Bringing other conventions into this conversation has no merit unfortuantly.

Brent

Jace, I had booths at internext for several shows, the reason I stopped doing them was because the floor traffic went down desperately. Internext has to make some changes/amends here I agree...

Yes it's free to get into the ad-tech show if you pre-register, if not it's $125 to get in. HOWEVER you would be very suprised how many people go to the seminars, it's really amazing! Our booth in NYC last year was right beside the seminar rooms and when they let out several hundred people would come flooding out... So obviously some of these companies see the justification of spending that kind of money to go listen to these people speak.

DH

wow, you just said the exact same thing I have been saying. there should be seperate amounts people pay, one if they only want the show floor, another if they are attending all the seminars and speakers....wandering the show floor should be free, because companies are already paying for us with their floor space fee.

and please, stop comparing adtech to porn conventions...what competition does adtech have in their field? I am pretty sure they don't have 15 other shows in a year for their industry.

Folks,

We have had a booth at every IA2000/Internext show since 1998 and with the addition of ther Porn Poker Tour at alot of these shows last year, we have done well as far as branding and client acquisition.

Most of the shows are great and some are duds, no doubt about it. AVN has taken great care to try to change things to make people happy while making a profit as well. Yes it is too expensvie to walk the show floor, I certainly agree that it should cost less or be free to do so. However, they have used some of our suggestions and others as well to make the shows better.

Rather than you guys bitching about the price only, post some ideas and suggestions to help make it better. I am sure AVN is listening.

Mitch

LOL! I'm not trying to argue with you, I agree things need to change. :)

Ad-tech has several companies on their heels competing for their clientele

Here is just a couple
http://www.searchenginestrategies.com/
http://www.affiliatesummit.com/

DH

um...mitch...uh...people are making suggestions man

shit man, I never heard about Affiliate Summit, check out the topic list for speakers:
- Blogs & RSS
- Data feeds
- Activating and Retaining Affiliates
- Lead Generation
- E-mail
- Business Basics
- Web 2.0
- Fighting Fraud
- How to Be an Affiliate Manager
- How to Be an Affiliate
- Incentives for Affiliates
- PPC and SEO
- Badware
- How to Recruit Super Affiliates
- Segmentation of Affiliates
- Incentive / Loyalty Sites
- Growing a Mature Affiliate Program
- Tools for Affiliates/Affiliate Managers
- B2B Affiliate Marketing
- Landing Pages
- Becoming a Super Affiliate

holy shit, now THAT is an internet convention....fuck, I am even now considering attending that shit

I was thinking I missed something . . they are charging $250 to go to the Circle Bar? I don't drink $250 worth of alcohol even on $10 beer night.

I do. I also remember Adultdex and a few others that went around.

that sounds like great stuff.

if avn got some shit liek that, and added some video and photography seminars, I would be attending in a heartbeat

if they wanna brag about their seminars so much they really need to start getting ahead of the game...I am almost positive you can already guess what the seminars will be again this year...legal, 2257, etc...same old same old

how about blog/rss? how about photography/video? how about seo? how about b2b marketing? how about one for program owners teaching about recruiting big affiliates?

How about: How to successfully sig whore on GFY all day without rotting your brain :winkwink:

I'm pretty confused. So we have to pay just to hang out at the CB? And what about the public?

I don't think you are confused, it sounds like you nailed it, at least from what I have read.

And still have to pay for your drinks at the circle bar........

Only mention of open bar was during the actual seminars.....


- Brent

Not really unless I missed some posts. All I see mainly is bitching about the price.]

Mitch

Which is the biggest suggestion to give. Walking the show floor should be free or a small nominal charge. They are making the money from the booths, and in order to have booths you need traffic but $250 is not the incentive to go and walk a show floor.

The next biggest suggestion in the thread was to enhance the seminars and the quality and range of topics covered to be more specific and beneficial to people. Something to justify the cost. In fact if done right, people would probably pay more than $250 in order to gain knowledge in areas they lack if it was done correctly and had the quality of speaker on the subject willing to give real solid info.

I think I just found a show I will attend. Looks a bit better than Internext at first glance. Bookmarking it as I have to fly off to Amsterdam.

so, what if we just show up at the CB without buying a pass? I really don't get it.

Sounds like you cant get to this circle bar without a pass as its part of the show floor that is now creatively called the "hub"

So if you want to drink at that circle bar you need a badge but still gotta buy your drinks as well. Thats my take from their posts and site

jeez, glad you caught all that, while some peoples tones may be negative, they, and I, are giving suggestions, links etc.

you are right too, if you had some solid seminars with industry leaders speaking at them (i.e. deancapture for photography), people would pay way more than $250

here are some suggestions for AVN:

"Get your internet content distributed and make twice the money - hosted by Steve Hirsch of Vivid Video and Distribution"

"Photography, A step above - hosted by DeanCapture of Twistys.net"

"Blogs, RSS and how it all works and how you can monetize from it - hosted by XXXXX"

"Videography, what equipment is best and pointers for using it - hosted by Jonni Darkko of Evil Angel"

"How to get those big affiliates working for your program - Hosted by XXXX"

if you see what I am doing above, it is combining internet and video to bring a incredible lineup that can benefit everyone and teach them new and expanding ideas...

I saw an article earlier today about how porn is so ahead of the game when it comes to ideas for internet business...why do our seminars at conventions not reflect that? and why is a company as big as avn not pushing the boundaries and exposing us to all the new ideas that come out

the show floor should ALWAYS be free...advertisers are paying for that and to charge someone to walk to the show floor after the advertisers already paid for that show floor is a kick in the face to the advertisers and a big "fuck you" to the people that have to pay to walk it

jesus, I know man..that is an incredible lineup of topics....if AVN had a lineup like that, they could easily charge upwards of $500-1000 for the seminars

lol sly with a point of reason...



how bout this.. i just so happen to be a stupid fuck in vegas at that time.. who wants to drink at that bar

avn.. want 300?

how are you going to address that?

baddog with a point of reason...

i dont drink 250 bucks worth of booze on 20 buck a shot night.. thats what.. 10 shots + 50 bucks tip?

c'mon.. and im a drinker..


avn.. do you NOT see the message that clearly is in front of your face in this thread.. or do you ignore it?

do you ignore the nearly dead show floor time after time?

do you ignore the fact that so many people are pulling out of internext?


hey.. dont get me wrong. drinkinghard and all his products are great.. but what are you going to do when its just you and p2pads?

and when he looks over at you.. and you are the only face left in the joint..

how long do you think hes gonna stick around?




do fuckin something or watch as me and jace toast to you going down in flames :2 cents:

Traffic is queen, so to make the traffic profitable AVN charges to be traffic.

Now how do I get surfers to adopt this winning formula. :1orglaugh

I'm off to Amsterdam.

Any one who wants a beer will find me at the bar and can buy me one while they are getting theirs. :winkwink:

I may be completely off base here, but it sounds like they've either setup or there's already a pre-existing bar inside the "hub" area that they have dubbed the "circle bar". A convention floor by any other name is still a convention floor, putting a bar in the middle of it doesn't change its spots.

I think it's sectioned off from the public, and bar prices are probably through the roof. At least at the real circle bar you could toss a quarter in a slot machine and get a free drink outta it :1orglaugh

wow, how wierd

I was just giving the idea of someone like Jonni Darkko doing a videography seminar for the industry folks and lo and behold, who calls me? Jonni Darkko....he is coming in town tomorrow and wants to say hi on his way through

anyway, I asked him if he would ever be up for speaking at a internet convention about shooting video, techniques, etc...he said hell yeah

so, my question for AVN is, why is it I, a lowely webmaster, can think outside the box and come up with ideas like this to make your show better, but you all, a multimillion dollar company, can't get something better going and push the edge back a little?

hahaha, ME LOVES ME SOME FREE DRINKS FROM THE VIDEO POKER TABLES!!! HAHA

no where else in the world can you throw $5 in a video poker machine, sit at the bar for 2 hours bursing that $5 and be sloshed drunk when you get up! hahah

No one wants to give away how they earn their money really. Every seminar Ive been to is people pushing their own shit. Like when a non seo traffic company that says search engine traffic sucks.. :winkwink:

Been to six Internext conventions and never once attended a seminar... :Oh crap

wow.. you cant even take the time to write out a new post.


just copy pasted your shit from another thread.

wow..
wow!

AVNedison - Can you contact me. I sent an application twice through the website for some floor space, nothing yet. e-mail abby (At) ebullz.com

Have fun at an empty gathering fellas.

I wonder if the drink prices will be more, like in florida what happened once the show started.

The show floor should be free, but to attend seminars and other special events make it a fee. If they lowered booth prices and contacted lots of companies they still have a chance to pack in 200 or so companies.

When's this show? Now that sounds like $500 worth (who goes to shows alone?) I'd even fight $1k/night hotel rooms, and 10 zillion people in Vegas for this one, and if there's anything I hate more then Vegas it's Vegas during CES.

exactly..

That show does not accept sponsors or speakers who cop to working in adult or gambling.

I went to 3 this year.

Where else can you see Spike Goldburg, Max Hardcore and Joanna Angel debate business ethics for an hour?