a word of advise for sponsors

Good luck with that.

Some people are doing it already.

Stop signing up to all the promotions that are obvious BS and sites that clearly do not have a clue or ripping off the surfer and they will soon disappear.

and another thing.

being foreigner I see how many sponsors redirect the traffic I sent them to their dialer pages or tgp or whatever , wtf is up with that ?! who gave you the right to reuse my traffic just because it's unproductive? I sent this traffic to a pay site in order to get comission, remember ? and it doesn't say anywhere in the TOS that if the traffic is from china you can do whatever you want with it !! unless you are giving me credit for the dialer's you plant - this is traffic stealing

that i can do
the problem is most of the greatest sponsors shave the most

shit man!!!

good point, i have a few that do that -

The day they stop shaving is the day the industry dies.. they never will

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this is all not that easy. The easy thing is to give advises.

no, the sponsor that doesn't convert will stand out, get a more affiliates sending more traffic which means more sales which means more money (yes, even if you count the non-shaving little money loss factor)

why do you think so many are promoting ccbill sites with 80% of their traffic ?

My problem is the opposite to shaving, I'm trying to give affiliates more and more. But there are pit falls in doing this.

We now get a massive amount of sign ups that came from previous members. Guys who joined, left and came back. There is no cookie or affiliate code left to track.

We get a lot of traffic from type ins, people see the content somewhere and type in the address. We know it's type in because it goes here www.paulmarkhamteens.com and all the links on the net are to here www.paulmarkhamteens.com/tour/. Type ins convert better than a lot of traffic. Figure it out a guy typed in the URL or clicked on another link on a page.

There are also people who do not sign up the day they came to the site, wipe their cookies and we do not know who they are from. They are surfing porn sites, what's the odds they delete cookies often?

All together it's a big slice.

Now some programs might not get it and some I suspect do.

But here is our problem, we currently pay out 65% at the base level and it rises. I am getting emails from prospective affiliates asking how we can pay so high, they suspect us of shaving when we're trying to be honest.

So how do we attract affiliates without having them think we are shaving and pay them what they deserve?

that's a problem, how about using email address or other unique id to verity it ? in general it is ok by me if you don't track those. keep 'em.

I've heard there are other ways besides cookies to track.
how do you deal with surfers with cookies disabled ?

that is why when someone fucks another in this biz, everyone takes a bite.
you want to hear what I think should be done ? it's going to sound stupid so you better sit down: "shaving tests".
there will be one, a "tester", not affiliate and not sponsors that would be in charge of signning up and checking if the sign up was counted.
if not - that sponsors should be burned.
if so (sign up counter), the sponsor's "shaving rank" should be better.
in case it was a check up, the sponsor should pay the affiliate anything.
the fees of this "testing transaction" should settled out somehow.

got a better solution for fighting shaving ? speak

At the moment CCBILL run our affiliate program.

Have thought about doing out own, but then the accusations of shaving will still come.

The best way to fight shaving is go with sites that pay you the most $$$ for the hours you work. Then the shavers will soon see they have nothing to gain.

it is great to do biz with serious people who really think about their affiliates!!!