Originally Posted by Quagmire

Someone needs to tackle the question of why the Firemen said what they did about additional explosions nowhere near the upper levels of the towers and the Janitor stating that there was an explosion in one of the sub-levels and how some dude(s) came UP all burnt.

Sure would be nice to have all the news footage from all the networks on 9/11

Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

Seriously dude, on page 2 of this thread you were saying that the fires were hot enough to melt the steel.

On page 3 you said that the force of the floors coming down would crush the steel and cause it to come down with the rest of the building.

Now you agree with what I say and not only that, you elude to the fact that you may have held a 2x4 in your hand once.

I shook your slimey little hand and I can tell you, you may have never even DRIVEN past a construction site. I worked construction a long time, and you just ain't what it takes on a construction site. Perhaps Dad hooked you up with a part time summer gig sitting in the air conditioned jobsite trailer and running to starbucks for him...but that don't count.

You are condescending to people with an alternate view of your own. You change your "well researched and thought out" opinions to suit your needs. You are quite possibly the most annoying person I have ever had the displeasure to meet in person or on the web. Your like that kid in school who would poke and prod, then go crying to mommy when you bit off more than you could chew.

My post was NOT me agreeing with you or any of your theories. Don't get all happy and agreeable with me. It was me watching the video and making my own assumption based on what I know from 10 years in commercial concrete and working in, on and around all the materials used in the construction of those towers. It is what makes sense to me.

Take your government and your god and your condescending bullshit and shove it up your ass. Just because a person questions something, it does not make them an idiot. You need to learn that.

Try listening to both sides of an argument. You are like the government you so love. You are an ideologist. You have your mind made up before you are presented with facts. You judge people based on your own little minds opinion of what the world is and should be.

Don't ever say anything else to me. I will do you the same honor.

Originally Posted by squishypimp

stickyfingerz is a queer

Originally Posted by Nismo

This is, without a doubt, the best post I have ever read on this forum.

Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

Seriously dude, on page 2 of this thread you were saying that the fires were hot enough to melt the steel.

On page 3 you said that the force of the floors coming down would crush the steel and cause it to come down with the rest of the building.

Now you agree with what I say and not only that, you elude to the fact that you may have held a 2x4 in your hand once.

I shook your slimey little hand and I can tell you, you may have never even DRIVEN past a construction site. I worked construction a long time, and you just ain't what it takes on a construction site. Perhaps Dad hooked you up with a part time summer gig sitting in the air conditioned jobsite trailer and running to starbucks for him...but that don't count.

You are condescending to people with an alternate view of your own. You change your "well researched and thought out" opinions to suit your needs. You are quite possibly the most annoying person I have ever had the displeasure to meet in person or on the web. Your like that kid in school who would poke and prod, then go crying to mommy when you bit off more than you could chew.

My post was NOT me agreeing with you or any of your theories. Don't get all happy and agreeable with me. It was me watching the video and making my own assumption based on what I know from 10 years in commercial concrete and working in, on and around all the materials used in the construction of those towers. It is what makes sense to me.

Take your government and your god and your condescending bullshit and shove it up your ass. Just because a person questions something, it does not make them an idiot. You need to learn that.

Try listening to both sides of an argument. You are like the government you so love. You are an ideologist. You have your mind made up before you are presented with facts. You judge people based on your own little minds opinion of what the world is and should be.

Don't ever say anything else to me. I will do you the same honor.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Ok this video might splain alot to you guys.

http://media.putfile.com/WTC-Collapse-Part-ONE

Now watch the slide show on this site.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/sunder.html

Im going to try and find the full program for the first link. This is the best explanation in straight speak Ive seen.

Originally Posted by Quagmire

Someone needs to tackle the question of why the Firemen said what they did about additional explosions nowhere near the upper levels of the towers and the Janitor stating that there was an explosion in one of the sub-levels and how some dude(s) came UP all burnt.

Sure would be nice to have all the news footage from all the networks on 9/11

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

And for all the more recent questions on how it happened, watch the video, AND watch the slideshow. They explain it in detail. If you still dont believe it doesnt matter because nothing is ever going to change your mind period.

If anyone wants to make a discussion thread personal, well thats just plain silly. If you dont like what I say then disagree with me. Some of my best friends in life are my polar opposites when it comes to politics. They dont think any less of me because of it, nor do I of them. Its called being a grown up.

Originally Posted by Webby

Why don't you find something worthwhile to do Sticky and avoid answering your own damned posts and responding to others with complete trivia coments - it's called being grown up.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Ya know webby you just finally made ignore. buh bye.

And Im done with this thread for a bit. When things get out of hand with someone I thought was a good person its time to just stop. Ive got tons of work to do so Im off to it for a few hours at least.

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Why does it have to be about engineers and scientists concluding what it probably was?

Loizeaux, who cleaned up the bombed Federal Building in Oklahoma City, arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation.
He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC..
Hmm.. no jet fuel or aluminum there..

And on a different note..

While steel is often tested for evidence of explosions, despite numerous eyewitness reports of explosions in the towers, the engineers involved in the FEMA-sponsored building assessment did no such tests.

So much for thorough testing by good ol' Uncle Sam..

[Awaiting cocky comebacks and a drawn out philosophical reply... ]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I guess we just trust different sources. I trust experts who have loads of experience in science and engineering. You trust one or two guys who made a quote that gets blown out of proportion.

Most of the claims of molten steel are often seen as people who don't know the difference in incandescent steel and molten steel.

But to keep this going, which theory are you going with, the explosion one, or the molten steel one. You technically can't have one with the other as explosions don't cause molten steel.

Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

Someone you thought was a good person? Let me break it down for ya hoss.

I am still the same person I have always been. My choice to have no more dealings with you is due to the fact that 90% of your entire existence on this message board has been one of two things.

A. Either you posting, sucking someone else's dick. Example: "Yeah man, you're exactly right man...you're the best guy I ever ever met...can we cuddle?"

B. Or you trying to belittle someone else with your "superior" brain. Example: (Steve Urkel Voice) "You fucking idiot, don't you know that the weight of a human hair is exactly double when travelling at the speed of light from venus to alpha centauri. Fucking Duh?!? (pushes glasses up) That's all I would expect from your inferior brain anyway!! (Then a series of the little orange laughing smileys)"

You never just add to a conversation. You always have to post as some super braniac smart ass. Fuck that.

You remind me of like a 2 year old who jams his fingers in his ears and holds his breath when mommy says, "eat your peas".

"lalalalala....not listeninggggggggg to youuuuuuu....lalalalaa.....your a stupid dummy head...lalalalaala..."

I figured you had said something stupid in this thread related to what I said to you. That's fine. And that's why I am posting now. To clear up any misconceptions about why I don't like you. It's not because of this thread...it's because of you and people like you existing on this planet.

Been everywhere but the moon and seen everything but the breeze.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Dude I agreed with you. Wtf are you talking about? And btw Ive done manual labor all my life. I assure you I can work with anyone. Up till 3 months ago I did uprigging, and am still available if they call me. Do you know what uprigging is? Its hanging over a beam 120ft up in the air and pulling 80ft of 3/4" chain up with a rope 20 times a night. If you think you can hang and want to try doing it sometime come here to Nashville and Ill get you a training spot. Ive worked since I was 8 for my father doing heating and cooling on construction sites and in homes. Ive hauled cast iron furnaces up from basements they shouldnt fit in. I daily moved things that weighed way more than me. I worked in autobody for 4 years and had my own body shop for 2 of those years. Busting my ass sanding and banging metal back into shape. You think just because Im not a big guy I cant hang? Dude I guarantee you Im in better shape then you. I do 100 push ups and situps every night, and jog every other morning about 2 miles or so.

You are letting your political hatred get in the way of good judgement. I jumped in and defended you in the past and you let a politcal discussion taint things. Wake the fuck up man. Ive never backed down from anything in my life as far as work goes. You think you have the balls then visit me in Nashville and Ill let you walk the beam 120ft off the ground with no saftey rope till you get out to where you are working and tie off. I dont know who pissed in your fuckin coffee, but you better get over it.