One time payments on join form for revshares and other questions about rebills - GoFuckYourself.com

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 12:06 PM

What are your thoughts when there are choices for lets say 3 or 6 months 1 time payment. Why is it not 3 or 6 months recurring. Seems if they were going to sign up for 3 months I would want them to reccur again and not just that 1 time sale ...

Sure you will get the revshare amount of the one time sale but what happens when they sign up again do you get credit.

Beyond that is it just the norm now that the longest you can have a member is at or around 3 months?

What if they do stay longer than three months but there credit cared is going to expire. Do revshare programs continue to pay after a member switches credit cards or not?

I would hope that affiliates are credited by the member not by their credite card so if they switch the affiliate still gets paid.

These are some question that may have been talked about before but interested to know

If certain things are going on and I think they might it may just be better do do pps. Yet when I see some of these join forms now adays when they are pushing the 3 month membership for a 1 time payment on revshare or pps makes it a hard choice ...

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 12:47 PM

Warning biz questions

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 10:15 PM

Ok I did not think this was that horrible of a thread, but no replies lol last bump for any responses

Jace · 09-11-2006, 10:16 PM

when we did a 1 time billing of $90 for 6 months on our site, we got at least 2-3 of those a week, when we tried 6 months recurring we got none

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

when we did a 1 time billing of $90 for 6 months on our site, we got at least 2-3 of those a week, when we tried 6 months recurring we got none

Yep looking for repsonses like this interesting

Theo · 09-11-2006, 10:17 PM

business threads should be sticky these days ;-)

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

business threads should be sticky these days ;-)

LOL yes I am just happy to have two replies

MaDalton · 09-11-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

when we did a 1 time billing of $90 for 6 months on our site, we got at least 2-3 of those a week, when we tried 6 months recurring we got none

i signed up to sites with the one time option before cause i wanted no recurring. cause i wanted to take a break for example for some months and then come back and get the updates. without having the hassle of cancelling - which was not always easy in the past. ;)
i think one time is one time on purpose - and it makes sense.

and now we can discuss who should be credited when some member comes back after a couple of months and signs up directly.

in my eyes it goes completely to the owner cause the quality of the site and the content convinced the member to come back. the affiliate has already been credited for the initial lead.

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

in my eyes it goes completely to the owner cause the quality of the site and the content convinced the member to come back. the affiliate has already been credited for the initial lead.

MaDalton · 09-11-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vanderweb

i knew that would not make everyone happy here

thank god i am no site owner, hehe

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i knew that would not make everyone happy here

thank god i am no site owner, hehe

No worries looking for posts like these just trying to figure some things out

RRRED · 09-11-2006, 10:30 PM

This particular member had cancelled because his credit card expired. This was actually closely looked at to make sure everything was cool because he had REJOINED. Guess what! Webmasters DO continue to get the rebills for the life of this member. Not the life of the membership, the life of the member.

I don't think it's out of line to expect your members to stay for more than 3 months. Depends what kinds of sites you're promoting that's all

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RRRED

This particular member had cancelled because his credit card expired. This was actually closely looked at to make sure everything was cool because he had REJOINED. Guess what! Webmasters DO continue to get the rebills for the life of this member. Not the life of the membership, the life of the member.

I don't think it's out of line to expect your members to stay for more than 3 months. Depends what kinds of sites you're promoting that's all

Alright that is awesome and exactly what I am looking for thanks

Jace · 09-11-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

in my eyes it goes completely to the owner cause the quality of the site and the content convinced the member to come back. the affiliate has already been credited for the initial lead.

i agree 100%

the affiliate should be credited for the initial lead, plain and simple

ANY ANY ANY other industry in the world credits for the initial lead and nothing more......in fact, the porn industry is the MOST generous of ANY industry in the world with their affiliates

if I had my way, I would pay you 100% up front for the initial sale and NOTHING more...no free hosting, no free submitting, no free anything except for content for those that prove that they are profitable with that content I give them

affiliates are spoiled fucker in the adult industry

I would love to see ANY of these affiliates in the adult industry that bitch and moan try ONE DAY in the mainstream side of things....us mainstream promoters get NOTHING.....well wait, we get a link...one single link to promote

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 10:41 PM

Well two people I am happy don't run programs

KrisKross · 09-11-2006, 10:44 PM

I have no idea if the big IPSPs work like this, but I've seen processors that actually won't allow transactions to recur if they're over a certain dollar amount or length.

As for who gets credited for returning members, that varies from one program to another. Many programs set cookies for X amount of months, so if your member cancels and then returns within X months, you still get credited.

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

I have no idea if the big IPSPs work like this, but I've seen processors that actually won't allow transactions to recur if they're over a certain dollar amount or length.

As for who gets credited for returning members, that varies from one program to another. Many programs set cookies for X amount of months, so if your member cancels and then returns within X months, you still get credited.

I think programs need to start making it clear what kind of revshare it is. A real one or fake one

Jace · 09-11-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by vanderweb

Well two people I am happy don't run programs

ha, little do you know ;)

Jace · 09-11-2006, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vanderweb

Well two people I am happy don't run programs

one more thing...I am enough of a good business man to know how to that if I "did" have a program I would have to match the competition

my main point is that porn program make it WAY too easy for the affiliate to make money these days

free hosting, free designers, free submitting, free EVERYTHING

seriously, promote mainstream for a week...you get one thing...a link

but what it boils down to is this...porn profits are really hard to get going and have steady income from, and while mainstream has less options for promotion, the payoff is twice as good

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

ha, little do you know ;)

What program do you run ?

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by vanderweb

Well two people I am happy don't run programs

Let me make it better ...

Well two people I am happy don't run 'revshare' programs 'like I am looking for'

Did not mean for it to come out the wrong way sorry if any offense was taken

Jace · 09-11-2006, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by vanderweb

Let me make it better ...

Well two people I am happy don't run 'revshare' programs 'like I am looking for'

Did not mean for it to come out the wrong way sorry if any offense was taken

haha, I personally own one revshare program, one revshare paysite and am about to aquire another revshare program

the thing is about me though, I don't like people to know my business....so no one will ever know what I own or am up to....well, very FEW select people

xxxice · 09-11-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

haha, I personally own one revshare program, one revshare paysite and am about to aquire another revshare program

the thing is about me though, I don't like people to know my business....so no one will ever know what I own or am up to....well, very FEW select people

Do you take the thoughts you posted here into your revshare program(s) ?

MikeSmoke · 09-12-2006, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

I have no idea if the big IPSPs work like this, but I've seen processors that actually won't allow transactions to recur if they're over a certain dollar amount or length.

Depends on the IPSP - i work with one that will, another that won't - and the one that does wouldn't approve it automatically, they fully examined my history before saying ok.

xxxice · 09-12-2006, 11:32 AM

eh one more bump

RRRED · 09-12-2006, 01:35 PM

Not alot of responses..

MaDalton · 09-12-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by vanderweb

Well two people I am happy don't run programs

did you ever do some calculations what it would cost to run a program?

- content
- design
- traffic
- server
- labour

then the affiliate that wants 70% revshare while the program owner should swallow the payment costs (another ~ 10-13%) all by himself?

plus of course free hosting, free design, free submitting and free blowjobs.

honestly - if i ever run a program i'd not make it open to the public

btw - just let me add this: the change of credit cards is something different than a returning member after some months. i have nothing against the fact that the affiliate keeps the member if he just changes the credit card. but once again: if a member returns after some months and signs up directly he's mine

09-11-2006, 12:06 PM	#1
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	One time payments on join form for revshares and other questions about rebills What are your thoughts when there are choices for lets say 3 or 6 months 1 time payment. Why is it not 3 or 6 months recurring. Seems if they were going to sign up for 3 months I would want them to reccur again and not just that 1 time sale ... Sure you will get the revshare amount of the one time sale but what happens when they sign up again do you get credit. Beyond that is it just the norm now that the longest you can have a member is at or around 3 months? What if they do stay longer than three months but there credit cared is going to expire. Do revshare programs continue to pay after a member switches credit cards or not? I would hope that affiliates are credited by the member not by their credite card so if they switch the affiliate still gets paid. These are some question that may have been talked about before but interested to know If certain things are going on and I think they might it may just be better do do pps. Yet when I see some of these join forms now adays when they are pushing the 3 month membership for a 1 time payment on revshare or pps makes it a hard choice ...

09-11-2006, 10:44 PM	#16
KrisKross Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5,024	I have no idea if the big IPSPs work like this, but I've seen processors that actually won't allow transactions to recur if they're over a certain dollar amount or length. As for who gets credited for returning members, that varies from one program to another. Many programs set cookies for X amount of months, so if your member cancels and then returns within X months, you still get credited. __________________

09-11-2006, 12:47 PM	#2
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	Warning biz questions

09-11-2006, 10:15 PM	#3
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	Ok I did not think this was that horrible of a thread, but no replies lol last bump for any responses

09-11-2006, 10:16 PM	#4
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	when we did a 1 time billing of $90 for 6 months on our site, we got at least 2-3 of those a week, when we tried 6 months recurring we got none

09-11-2006, 10:17 PM	#6
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	business threads should be sticky these days ;-)

09-11-2006, 10:30 PM	#12
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	This particular member had cancelled because his credit card expired. This was actually closely looked at to make sure everything was cool because he had REJOINED. Guess what! Webmasters DO continue to get the rebills for the life of this member. Not the life of the membership, the life of the member. I don't think it's out of line to expect your members to stay for more than 3 months. Depends what kinds of sites you're promoting that's all

09-11-2006, 10:41 PM	#15
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	Well two people I am happy don't run programs

09-12-2006, 11:32 AM	#25
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	eh one more bump

09-12-2006, 01:35 PM	#26
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Not alot of responses..