Everyone with a facial site. Look out. You could be next.

Here we go boys...

Anybody here going to webmasteraccess Amsterdam? This topic should be discussed with a scotch at the hotel bar...:1orglaugh

Sure... was always amazed at what was published when the "commercial net" started around 95/96. It appeared to be only a matter of time before an obscenity case started rolling.

Remember chatting to Gregg P on this in the late 90's where he was thinking the moment there was a political need to have a series of prosecutions - this would happen. In many ways, the net side has had a calm ride from obscenity prosecution.

Since these times - a few people have pushed up the "marketing", - how much further they elect to push it may be the controlling factor in how long they sit in a jail cell. Tho totally agree on the "political popularity" of prosecutions - some folks would sell out their grandmother for a dollar :)

people do know.

every single person in porn knows.

every single person in porn knows why every major company doesn't have a scat site, a beastiality site and so on. everyone. its a fucking no brainer.

the guy selling this shit didn't think "oh.. there is such a massive demand for this and people are paying top dollar. weird that i have this market all to myself"

had i asked anyone a week ago why NastyDollars doesn't have a scat site or beastiality site or rape site, 1/2 of the same fucking idiots here would waste no time in pointing out how i am too stupid to live for asking such a moronic question.

furthermore, there have been plenty of prosecutions for porn and extreme porn. the lines have been drawn, there is case law to establish an idea of where those laws are and EVERY single person in this thread knows with 100% certainty (even those playing stupid for the sake of arguing) that doing this shit is an absolute no no.
:2 cents:

The question is, where do you draw the line for those sentiments? You have to realize that there are people who say the exact same thing for vanilla sex.


By prosecuting obscenity on all levels (extreme and vanilla), that is exactly what they are NOT doing. Porn is huge. In the US it brings in more revenues than the NFL, NBA and MLB combined. It sure sounds to me like the voters have spoken, yet the government bases their enforcement on the will of conservatives who think porn is evil.



The FACT is that extreme porn has created a prosecution buffer zone between regular porn and the government. If they were to prosecute extreme porn out of existence, they wouldn't announce that they had cleansed the adult industry now would they? NO! They would come after gay, deep throat, orgy, etc... more than they do now.

He he.. would that be a double or triple scotch?? :winkwink:

I personally don't get scat, pissing, torture or violent movies. But just because "I" don't get them or like them, doesn't mean that others don't. Who am I, or who is ANYBODY to say what one can delve pleasure from? Again, CP should clearly be illegal. Beastiality should be illegal. Neither of those parties can legally sign a consent form.

I've spoken out against Rob Black in the past because I didn't like the image his movies portrayed. After some long drawn out debates with a few people in the industry about it, I came to realize that I WAS WRONG. I still don't like his content, but if there is a market for it, and the participants are willing, he should have every right to produce it.

If Rob Black loses his case, the Guhn's lose their case etc. etc. how long will it be before they come down on what WE as pornographers consider "Vanilla" porn? Threesomes? While many of us in the industry have participated in them, how many people OUTSIDE the industry haven't and would immediately consider it obscene? Facials, anal, ANYTHING GAY could ALL be considered obscene one day in the not too distant future.

What was obscene when Larry Flynt started publishing? A women's genitals. Why isn't that obscene today? Because society has progressed perhaps...for better or worse. Sex isn't as taboo a subject as it was even 20 years ago. Just turn on MTV to be witness to that. I for one would hate to see us regress to the point that a women's genitals are obscene. Guess what? SOME people STILL think that's obscene. Are they right? Who's right? That's the beauty of being free to choose what you watch.

One of the pitfalls of a free society is there is guaranteed to be something out there that you don't like and find repugnant. Having the luxury of a free society also allows you to choose whether or not you watch it or partake in it. MY freedom ends when it interferes with another person's rights. Freedom of choice doesn't interfere with anyone else's rights...censorship does.

Whatever you prefer...

Will you be in Amsterdam?

QFT. You should all be thanking fringe fetish webmasters for taking the brunt of this fight. These guys are our frontline troops. If they fall, you're next.

well... so what? welcome to democracy. I am not defending anyones rights to do anything. i was simply pointing out that the system first and foremost is functioning exactly like it is supposed to. i dont like it. i dont like the idea of someone elses sense of morality ruling what i can and cannot do, can and cannot watch etc... HOWEVER, as a part of this democracy, i know that if i want to protect my rights in the same way that they want to enforce their will on me, i have to stand up and fight.

where is that fight?

there isn't one.

so... the other side wins by default because they were able to properly use the political system to achieve their goals... and did so at the expense of a bunch of moronic, low life, rugged individuals who think its just their god given right to do anything they want.. never understanding that rights are created and taken away by man through the political process.


Conservatives? well.. i would say that this is probably 60% or so a conservative issue. Democrats also go to church you know. Democrats are not just centered in Berkley, wearing tie-dyed t-shirts and smoking pot. The whole "conservative" "right wing" rhetoric is just that. Rhetoric. Democrats in fact are in a mad panic to win religious voters over. Why? because they are a major voting force that matters. Thats just democracy at work - as politician, you pander to the will of the voters. Should a democracy function some other way?


The FACT is that there are boundaries to what people find acceptable. We Those boundaries have been established for a very long time. What this guy did was obviously over the line and only a few seem to be willing to acknowledge that fact. This is really just a "are you liberal or are you conservative"/"do you support bush" type conversation that left logic and fact by the wayside from the start.

Making unprovable statements that are purely hypothetical in nature do not equate to fact.

i just wanted to throw in that a lot scat stuff is faked with chocolate enemas. gives the thing a whole new twist :winkwink:

Maybe the taste is different. Except some Aldi chocolate brands...:winkwink:

Dont know how different it is in the states than here in the uk, but the uk law seems to be about "when taken as a whole" its "likley to corrupt or depraive". I dont personally think this material would pass that test as the person ordering the video knew what he was getting. broadcast it on mainstream tv and then you have a problem.

I find this material to be sick and twisted, but as long as the customer knows in advance how bad it is... now if they hid what was truly on the dvd or tape, they deserve what they get. otherwise let them get on it.

The difference between democracy and mob-rule is freedom of expression. Democracies can only function if the rights of the individual are protected, no matter what the majority thinks. Privacy, free speech, and the right to publish, are the foundations of democracy. The alternative is not democracy but tyranny by majority.

fuck the pos.....

and we are back to the German connection to the niche..lol

have you ever benn to East Croydon? Used to live there as a kid some time. Haven´t been there for ages.

Regards from the German/Dutch chocolate connection:1orglaugh

i have to say that Aldi has very tasty chocolate, look out for the light blue "Alpenmilch" - comes in 200 gram bars :winkwink:

Actually their chocolate mouse is the most like 'pudding' back home in the States. I have had my share of Aldi supplies in my time.

Yes, I have. The imigration office is in Croydon - Lunar House. I spent way too much time in Croydon when I frist moved here. My friend lives there at the moment.

I'm going to be sitting with that scotch under a palm tree and ducking from the parrot shit droppings from the tree and dreaming up a way of prosecuting parrots for scat offenses.

Seriously man.. no, will not be there, but will be at the next Costa Rica Bash. Would love to share a bottle of scotch if you manage that one :thumbsup

Consider the following and give me your thoughts.

It is perfectly legal to practice scat in real life, but as soon as you take a photo of it you are going to prison.

he he.. small world.

Talking of obscenity allegations ... I know Croydon Crown Court very well - it's like a home from home :winkwink: Fortunately the outcome was favorable.

Though Amsterdam is not so far away, a Scotch is worth going everywhere. So I´ll try to manage it.:D

Doubt the photography is an offense Matt - more the "publication" to the general public.

i'll be in Amsterdam and always open for whiskey - as long it's single malt

I´m staying at the barbizon from the 15th to the 17th. Lets meet to discuss Aldi obscenety cases.

Course - you are in the Netherlands. I'm in Latin America (Costa Rica) so a bit further to go.

BTW.. It is prob worth trying for the Costa Rica Bash - apart from the biz/net side - it's an entirely different world and worth a look :thumbsup

I'm not 100% positive on that. People have been charged with possession of CP for taking a picture of their child in a bathtub.

Possession of obscene material perhaps? I dunno.

i'll be there 14th to 18th - i'm easy to recognize :winkwink:

Next one seems to be in February 2007, if so I´ll most likely can manage it. So prepare to buy a good old scotch.:thumbsup

So see you in amsterdam.:thumbsup

That pretty much covers the list of things I will never touch as an affiliate or site owner. Besides the obvious CP and Beastalty.

The DOJ is starting to draw a line in the sand, if you are going to be associated with defecation, urination, fisting, simulated rape, hardcore s&m, don't be surpised when the DOJ comes knocking.

If you will be convicted, that will be up to a jury. I wouldn't want to be the person trying to explain to everyday people that peeing and shitting on someone is not obscene.

I'll have that bottle lined up under that palm tree on the beach :thumbsup

Something Will... only me being "prudent" again, but you ever thought about the position of a cam host where there is stuff like cumshots, anal blah involved in their shows?? One step further - when a webmaster uses screengrabs for promotion of that host....

I´m sooooo jealous...

I do not draw a line in what I find disgusting either. I try to look at it as what the COMMUNITY funds disgusting or at least tolerable. My personal opinion obviously does not matter but a consensus of the people, who will be the ones on the jury does matter.

To offer another view point to what you said. Lets look at this as a war, which is exactly what it is IMO. Do you spread yourself thin, try to defend everything, or do you fall back to where you know your strong holds are and make a solid stand. If anything, I think the adult community would look better in the eyes of the public if we said those extreme things ARE over the top and we don't support that. If 2% of adult webmasters are involved in one particular type of "adult" activity, then why should the rest of the 98% rally behind them. By not willing to compromise, and us saying we think EVERYTHING should be protected I think that makes us look like lunatics in the minds of the public. If 98% of us don't use defecation/urination content, and 99.9% of the public doesn't like it, what does it benefit us to support it. And I personally don't buy the argument, if we distanced ourselves from defecation that they DOJ would see that as a weakness and try to move in to get more. They WILL ALWAYS try to move in to go after more and more. We need to decide to pick our battles wisely. It is a lot harder to win a Simulated Rape, Shit/Piss case then a anal sex case. IF we try to defend everything and we fight them on the hardcore extreme stuff and LOSE that will give them more ammunition then if we conceded to a point we knew we could WIN and then kicked their asses.

Man.. it's a totally different world - nobody gives a damn - very laid back.

Very first time I saw it - it was the people and small stuff that impressed. We were driving a bit and needed a drink so went to this thatched beach bar and asked for "anything" wet.

The barman gets a guy up the tree to knock down some coconuts and uses a machette to hack off the tops and pours an assortment of spirits into it - this was a drink on the house - no charge. Just a totally different attitude - especially for us from "civilized world" :winkwink:

I don't think the public has a problem with anal or cum shots. I think the DOJ would have a very hard time trying to win a case on that and if I was a defendant in a case involving that I would feel confident I would win.