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yota71 09-09-2006 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
it just sounds like whining ... maybe it's not but i don't see any new ideas beeing implemented there.

and I have yet too try a TGP that matches with my kind of traffic where I don't make a positive ROI.

If you're smart enough you'll know where to buy and where to try.

BTW new TGP submitters isn't exactly what this business needs. If somebody new comes arround and wants to make money, why not bring a new idea ?
Good point like usual, I am a new tgp owner and hopefully at some point will be able to charge for partner accts (hopefully).

Your very established, so I need to find a way to be different than all the other hundreds of thousands of tgps.

I have learned from GFY that people are more apt to responde to a statement or a complaint than a newbie question. Hens the reason for the structure of my post.

I always try to think of longevity and wanted to know how to achieve that type of income with partner accts. With the large tgp I understand the high prices. Some of the smaller ones are starting to get desperate and gready also. I don't ever want to be in that position.

DirtyProfits 09-09-2006 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by yota71
Good point like usual, I am a new tgp owner and hopefully at some point will be able to charge for partner accts (hopefully).
So you complain about tgps charging (too much) for partner accounts but once you have a decent sized tgp you want to charge too?
You better focus on other things, you will probably never achive the size or the quality of tgps that exist 5+ years now. If you think so, you're dreaming just like every other newbie that starts out with submitting or running tgps just because they don't know what to make else.

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Your very established, so I need to find a way to be different than all the other hundreds of thousands of tgps.
10000's think the same and fail, create a different type of site

LiveDose 09-09-2006 05:21 PM
I am so glad to be out of the tgp game. It was good when I did it @ 7-8 years ago. Learned a lot about this biz but definitely a crazy gig now...

beemk 09-09-2006 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Acne
Coming from one of the BIGGEST thieves in the game that the poster is describing. Your opinion means shit.

Its like asking Charley Manson if hes guilty. What kind of a response do you expect? Morons.
you must have missed my thread earlier today where i was giving away FREE partner accounts. why am i giving away free partner accounts? because my new tgp doesnt have that much traffic yet and there isnt a demand for them yet.

pinkworld on the other hand charges for partner accounts and they are sold out with a waiting list. why the fuck would someone give away partner accounts when theres people who want to pay for some but there just isnt enough to go around.

you have no sense of business whatsoever. go to google and look up supply and demand.

beemk 09-09-2006 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tranza
100 joins from 1 gallery listing?

That costs you $30 a MONTH!

Get real.

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Originally Posted by Acne
What in the fuck are you talking about? I know you are not dumb so please xplain the post.
learn to read

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Originally Posted by yota71
If I am a relatively new submitter it's going to take a few weeks or months for some even years to start making good revenue. I have yet to see any site that is going to get 100 joins off of one submitted gallery in a week or two. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place?

BlackCrayon 09-09-2006 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyProfits
That's bullshit! Why should any tgp owner reduce his income just to support new people.
If you're new and can't afford partner accounts or lack knowledge / experience to generate a good ROI on them then don't submit galleries or stick to the smaller tgps who don't charge money.
we all know that they are charging now because they don't make as much money as they used to from their own pages. if they were doing it to simply keep cheaters away, there wouldn't be services like submitpass.

fallenmuffin 09-09-2006 06:04 PM
Why are you submitting to TGPs anyways. 1:8000+ isn't going to pay the bills.

BlackCrayon 09-09-2006 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by KrisKross

Just remember this... he who has the traffic makes the rules. The TGP owner getting 500K hits a day needs you a lot less than you need him. Why would he cater to your wants when he has a line up of customers who will pay him what he wants?
this would be true if the tgps were built on the backs of submitters in the first place. without submitters before hosted galleries and all this other crap, they would have nothing.

beemk 09-09-2006 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon
we all know that they are charging now because they don't make as much money as they used to from their own pages. if they were doing it to simply keep cheaters away, there wouldn't be services like submitpass.
wrong. i'm ALWAYS interested in making more money, if theres a way to do it i will. i dont care if my revenue goes up or down, i still want more.

beemk 09-09-2006 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon
this would be true if the tgps were built on the backs of submitters in the first place. without submitters before hosted galleries and all this other crap, they would have nothing.
you act like they were submitting galleries out of the kindness of their heart. they did it to make money.

BusterBunny 09-09-2006 06:13 PM
50..............

BlackCrayon 09-09-2006 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by beemk
you act like they were submitting galleries out of the kindness of their heart. they did it to make money.
of course but its all a game of give and take but now the tgp owners are taking more than ever and giving back less and keeping the same profit restricting rules.

BlackCrayon 09-09-2006 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by beemk
wrong. i'm ALWAYS interested in making more money, if theres a way to do it i will. i dont care if my revenue goes up or down, i still want more.
you can't deny that people don't spend as much on tgps as they did years ago. why didn't they charge then?

DamageX 09-09-2006 06:23 PM
Supply and demand, end of discussion. If you don't understand that, you have no place doing business at all.

yota71 09-09-2006 06:36 PM
Ok I know Im a newbie, I own a few tgps. I think of my TGPs as an advertising medium if you will.
So excuding the Tgp's that do 1mill in traffic a day, Is it smart for a 5k 10k or even 100k tgp to single out the people that really are keeping them going and generating smaller consistant revenue?

It seems to me that rules and prices like this effect even the program owners to some extent.

KrisKross 09-09-2006 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon
of course but its all a game of give and take but now the tgp owners are taking more than ever and giving back less and keeping the same profit restricting rules.
Submitters need TGPs more than TGPs need submitters. The "profit restricting rules" only restrict profit for the submitter. The TGP owner isn't running a charity organization, he's running a business.

Sure, TGPs may have been "built on the back of submitters", but that's in the past. It's called evolution, and it's necessary to survive and thrive in such a dynamic industry. Submitters are a dime a dozen and the number is growing daily. TGP owners can easily afford to turn away business from the smallfrys while making a profit from the big fish.

You guys are acting like the TGP game is the only way to make money in the industry. It's really quite simple... You don't like the rules? You can't afford the submit passes? Fine. Then get out of the TGP business.

beemk 09-09-2006 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DamageX
Supply and demand, end of discussion. If you don't understand that, you have no place doing business at all.
word

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GTS Mark 09-09-2006 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Acne
this guys makes perfect sense. you idiots are just too fucking stupid to realize it. these asshole tgp owners run around and charge 30$+ for partner accounts and they no damn right well that they will never list all of the fucking gallerys. people like GTS and nichespots etc promise you the fucking world and deliver shit. this guy is dead balls on. tgp is a freebie game and the only time you ever win is with volume. the idiots selling you spots #25 - 92 know damn right well they are screwing you. you may get lucky you may not. tgp is dead and full of 14+ year old white american males that if they are lucky will get a hold of mom and dads CC.

Anyone that supports GTS or NS unless you are buying a guaranteed listing is an idiot. fair and simple. they know it. go on with your retort. you need to know how to convert blah. fuck you. these tgps are using this as a MASSIVE source of additional income and if you cant see if suck my cock.

yota71 is right and you guys are just fucking ass kissing fags and wont admit it. brown nose cock swallowers.
LOL! Wow you sure seem pretty strongly on your position... Our paid advertising spots (GTS) have over a 80% renewal rate every month...

We sell far over 1 million dollars a year in just Submitpasses alone....

Obviously someone is making money on these passes and ad spots or they simply would not be buying them. I don't hold a gun to anyone's head to buy this stuff LOL!

Sorry you feel the way you do about us Acne, you seem quite bitter.

DH

BlackCrayon 09-10-2006 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by KrisKross
Sure, TGPs may have been "built on the back of submitters", but that's in the past. It's called evolution, and it's necessary to survive and thrive in such a dynamic industry. Submitters are a dime a dozen and the number is growing daily. TGP owners can easily afford to turn away business from the smallfrys while making a profit from the big fish.
to me this is called 'biting the hand that feeds you'. its all well and good for the tgp owners but how do the submitters 'survive and thrive in such a dynamic industry'? i remember back in the day tgps used to list galleries i had on my own sites without me even submitting them. things sure have changed since then. i haven't submitted galleries since 2003 so of course i know there are other ways to make money but i just don't agree with the whole paid partner accounts thing. maybe i'll buy a few and give it a try some time just to see for myself.

Ross 09-10-2006 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by yota71
This is called a biz thread some people actually talk about biz-ness instead of drama.
You're not talking business, you're just bitching

crockett 09-10-2006 08:56 AM
I agree with what he is saying which is why I don't do gallery submits. If you want to charge for a gallery spot.. Then charge for a gallery spot and only accept money if you are going to actually list that gallery.

Paying for the privilege to be able to post a gallery to a site with no guarantee it will ever be listed isn't my cup of tea. Which is why I don't do submits. Personally I think it's a BS way to make money..

If you want to sell a listings then you should provide a listing.. simple as that IMO.

Antonio 09-10-2006 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Acne
this guys makes perfect sense. you idiots are just too fucking stupid to realize it. these asshole tgp owners run around and charge 30$+ for partner accounts and they no damn right well that they will never list all of the fucking gallerys. people like GTS and nichespots etc promise you the fucking world and deliver shit. this guy is dead balls on. tgp is a freebie game and the only time you ever win is with volume. the idiots selling you spots #25 - 92 know damn right well they are screwing you. you may get lucky you may not. tgp is dead and full of 14+ year old white american males that if they are lucky will get a hold of mom and dads CC.

Anyone that supports GTS or NS unless you are buying a guaranteed listing is an idiot. fair and simple. they know it. go on with your retort. you need to know how to convert blah. fuck you. these tgps are using this as a MASSIVE source of additional income and if you cant see if suck my cock.

yota71 is right and you guys are just fucking ass kissing fags and wont admit it. brown nose cock swallowers.


haha, dood, take a chill pill

I agree though - he has a valid point on one account, you pay for the CHANCE of being listed, can you imagine this happening in the 'REAL' world:

Bill Gates calls "Financial TImes" and tells them he wants to place an ad on the first page advertising Windows Vista, and they tell him - "sure Bill, that'd be $50 000 for the ad which might or might not be displayed, please pay in advance"

Alex From San Diego 09-10-2006 09:45 AM
I think yota71 has a valid point but his analogies are a bit skewed. I'll chalk that up to immaturity combined with age....No big deal though. He will grow in time.

I tend to concur with him, that if I were to pay $350.00 for a listing(s), I expect to get listed as long as I follow the rules or guidelines for that TGP. I would never send $350.00 or any amount for that matter for "chance" or "possibility" to get listed regardless if the industry is porn or mainstream.

I'm all for tgp's to charge for listings. It is their traffic and they deserve to profit off that traffic but only accept dollars for the number of spots available and put others on a waiting list until spots become available.

Doctor Dre 09-10-2006 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex From San Diego
I think yota71 has a valid point but his analogies are a bit skewed. I'll chalk that up to immaturity combined with age....No big deal though. He will grow in time.

I tend to concur with him, that if I were to pay $350.00 for a listing(s), I expect to get listed as long as I follow the rules or guidelines for that TGP. I would never send $350.00 or any amount for that matter for "chance" or "possibility" to get listed regardless if the industry is porn or mainstream.

I'm all for tgp's to charge for listings. It is their traffic and they deserve to profit off that traffic but only accept dollars for the number of spots available and put others on a waiting list until spots become available.
Wich TGP charge 350 for a PA ?

And most tgps will list your galleries.

KrisKross 09-10-2006 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon
but how do the submitters 'survive and thrive in such a dynamic industry'?
That's up to them to figure out, isn't it? If they can't do it in the TGP game, then they can move on to greener pastures. No one forced them to submit galleries.

And concerning biting the hand that feeds you... for every submitter who's cheap to buy a pass, there's at least one submitter who will buy it. That's what keeps the model going. If submit passes were $5 a month, then everyone would have one. If everyone had one, then they'd be worthless.

baddog 09-10-2006 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by yota71
as far as the scrolling goes im sorry that clicking is that painfull.

That comment has forced me to discontinue reading this thread.

rhizome 09-10-2006 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by KrisKross
Again, you're the one who needs the TGP owner, not vice versa.
This is bullshit. I'd pay submitters a monthly fee before I would ever charge them one.

Alex From San Diego 09-10-2006 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
Wich TGP charge 350 for a PA ?

And most tgps will list your galleries.
$30.00 or $350.00...does it really matter?

Point is, if you pay for something, you expect the product you paid for...NOT the chance or possibility of getting it. If that sounds fair, come to my place of business and pay me for my services and you might have a chance or possibility of receiving that service :)

lineside 09-10-2006 10:13 AM
There are other avenues then tgp submitting, if your serious about this biz then you need to look into them. When you start making money and you want to pay for an account then do so.

BlackCrayon 09-10-2006 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by lineside
There are other avenues then tgp submitting, if your serious about this biz then you need to look into them. When you start making money and you want to pay for an account then do so.
besides seo and blogs, what is there really for affiliates?

BlackCrayon 09-10-2006 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by KrisKross
That's up to them to figure out, isn't it? If they can't do it in the TGP game, then they can move on to greener pastures. No one forced them to submit galleries.

And concerning biting the hand that feeds you... for every submitter who's cheap to buy a pass, there's at least one submitter who will buy it. That's what keeps the model going. If submit passes were $5 a month, then everyone would have one. If everyone had one, then they'd be worthless.
if partner accounts would work they way they were intended, they wouldn't have to charge money or allow everyone to have one. thats why they are called partner accounts, it a partnership. this is no partnership. and yes, the main reason selling passes works is because there will always be a decent number of people willing to buy them because a) they have no choice if they want a chance at getting listed b) there are always new people who don't know which ones are worth it and which ones aren't.

its just a sign of the decline of this industry that a growing % of people are finding it more profitable to make money off fellow webmasters rather than surfers. its a lot easier to guarentee that webmasters will buy passes than figuring out the increasing fickle buying nature of surfers.

DamageX 09-10-2006 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rhizome
This is bullshit. I'd pay submitters a monthly fee before I would ever charge them one.
Cool, I'll take you up on that offer. :)

Barefootsies 09-10-2006 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by crockett
I agree with what he is saying which is why I don't do gallery submits. If you want to charge for a gallery spot.. Then charge for a gallery spot and only accept money if you are going to actually list that gallery.


If you want to sell a listings then you should provide a listing.. simple as that IMO.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonio
can you imagine this happening in the 'REAL' world:

Bill Gates calls "Financial TImes" and tells them he wants to place an ad on the first page advertising Windows Vista, and they tell him - "sure Bill, that'd be $50 000 for the ad which might or might not be displayed, please pay in advance"
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Originally Posted by Alex From San Diego
I tend to concur with him, that if I were to pay $350.00 for a listing(s), I expect to get listed as long as I follow the rules or guidelines for that TGP. I would never send $350.00 or any amount for that matter for "chance" or "possibility" to get listed regardless if the industry is porn or mainstream.

I'm all for tgp's to charge for listings. It is their traffic and they deserve to profit off that traffic but only accept dollars for the number of spots available and put others on a waiting list until spots become available.



The POINT of the original poster was not complaining about submit passes so much as the fact you are paying for a "chance" you MAY or MAY NOT get a listing.

Why not just lite your money on fire in front of your friends. It's more fun.

:disgust

the Shemp 09-10-2006 01:50 PM
not all tgps are created equal.....


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