Does Anyone Have or Has Anyone Had a Server at HavenCo? - GoFuckYourself.com

minusonebit · 08-22-2006, 05:07 PM

Does anyone actually HAVE a server here? This place is supposedly legit, but the fact that it costs so much to setup there and there would be NO recourse for breach of contract and they dont take Visa... can anyone vouch for these people? Has anyone actually had a server here, or managed a box that was there?

Is the service worth the price? Why couldnt one big DDoS simply knockout/flood thier intenational link and take them out of commission? While I love the idea, I am a bit uneasy and they dont seem to tell much about how thier system works there and or how my service would be safe with them... they dont even give you a test IP or file. LOL

> http://www.havenco.com

Webby · 08-22-2006, 05:27 PM

Why would anyone want to have a server on an old oil rig stuck in the North Sea?

Privacy and security is one thing, but that's near the extreme and paranoid end.

minusonebit · 08-22-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Why would anyone want to have a server on an old oil rig stuck in the North Sea?

Privacy and security is one thing, but that's near the extreme and paranoid end.

Despeate times call for desperate measures.

A few years ago, I would have agreed with you. Now days, I am starting to think it would be wise for me to point my MX there.

DaddyHalbucks · 08-22-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Why would anyone want to have a server on an old oil rig stuck in the North Sea?

Privacy and security is one thing, but that's near the extreme and paranoid end.

It isn't an "old oil rig."

It is a former gunnery tower from WWII.

minusonebit · 09-04-2006, 02:23 PM

I'd really like to talk to someone who has a box here...

AdultEUhost · 09-05-2006, 01:24 AM

1800 USD for 1 Mbit, nice

We are in Amsterdam tho

Webby · 09-05-2006, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

It isn't an "old oil rig."

It is a former gunnery tower from WWII.

Still a lump of scrap whatever way you look at it DH

Webby · 09-05-2006, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

I'd really like to talk to someone who has a box here...

What are you looking to achieve with this minusonebit?

There may be other options which are far more competitive - and these can be very secure

rowan · 09-05-2006, 03:06 AM

Wasn't there a fire there recently?

rowan · 09-05-2006, 03:08 AM

http://www.bobleroi.co.uk/ScrapBook/...ndFire_3a.html

rowan · 09-05-2006, 11:19 AM

bump for a super dodgy looking setup

rowan · 09-05-2006, 12:03 PM

minusonebit · 09-05-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

What are you looking to achieve with this minusonebit?

There may be other options which are far more competitive - and these can be very secure

There are plenty of secure places to put a server. But there was only one place that you can put a server and host absoultely anything on it (except kiddie porn and spam) and the US government would be powerless to stop you. From such a server, I would be free to host the most poltically repugnant items and violate trademarks and infringe patents at will and no one could stop me without an international incident. One of my ideas is to create and sell a super encrypted chat service the logs of which would be supbena proof.

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Originally Posted by rowan

http://www.bobleroi.co.uk/ScrapBook/...ndFire_3a.html

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Thats it, this time, Bush has gone too far. I am sure he had those generators sabatoaged.

Brad Mitchell · 09-05-2006, 05:46 PM

Even if the place wasn't trashed now, you would not have been able to escape the carriers from which they received their bandwidth from which are invariably answering to either US or UK law. Nice try, though.

Brad

hostcentrex · 09-05-2006, 05:58 PM

Ya they have a rack right next to mine in 60 Hudson in NYC.

Webby · 09-05-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

There are plenty of secure places to put a server. But there was only one place that you can put a server and host absoultely anything on it (except kiddie porn and spam) and the US government would be powerless to stop you. From such a server, I would be free to host the most poltically repugnant items and violate trademarks and infringe patents at will and no one could stop me without an international incident. One of my ideas is to create and sell a super encrypted chat service the logs of which would be supbena proof.

AH

- That covers different critera and suppose really means checking out each item.

OK... Not that I'm advocating anything here

Top of the list item would appear to be trademark/copyright violation. Not all countries subscribe to international copyrights, others do, but in practice, dismiss them. Can't say specific countries off the top of my head, but there is a large choice and would need checking out the small print.

Political stuff is also not going to be much of a problem in these countries - they don't give a shit about external politics, but sure, would not stand for CP type stuff.

There is also a very strong case for one or more corps to be put in place in certain jurisdictions to be the legal owners of websites. Someone want to sue the corp - hard luck, it won't happen. It is a criminal offense to divulge data on a corp if that was known, but in reality - it is not known to any govt official. (The justice system permits the judiciary to form corps and pass them on - but the new "owners" are not known and the judiciary has immunity from future action of any new owner/s, so they have no problem with this.)

Main factor in the bullet-proofing is probably personal - ie.. what country are you a citizen of? Does that country expect adherence to it's laws even tho you may not be resident there? Is there any point in time where you would be obliged to file any paperwork to the "home country" while resident in another jurisdiction? Bottom line - if the event ever arose where the corp barrier ever was penetrated - could that country of citizenship instigate legal action on a personal basis?

Basically, if you are not a US citizen, have no hosting or business activities in the US and not resident in the US - you are not subject to any US domestic laws. Sure, copyright infrigement is a candidate and same would apply over all countries who did ratify copyright/trademark treaties - so hence the need to be operating from a country which does not.

Just some thoughts

Webby · 09-05-2006, 06:33 PM

PS... Havenco... Whatever hosting may be done at Havenco would prob need that corp structure in place anyway since the chances are any "attack" would have to be dealt with on a personal basis.

The corps blocks much - including the actual biz location or any contact information. It also blocks, by jurisdictional obstacles - the vast majority of legal problems (excepting serious crime - drug trafficking, murder, money-laundering etc).

The most obvious point of attack and the achilles heel, would be personal - and hence the reason for the corp and if that ever was penetrated, - next fallback is being "legal" in a country where the various copyright issues were not a problem.

It's a long story

It needs research, but not just at the point of hosting.

rowan · 09-06-2006, 09:51 PM

At havenco we have state of the art climate control: a portable air conditioner and a pedestal fan as backup!

(It looks like the A/C unit is missing the exhaust hose which makes it nearly useless)

minusonebit · 09-07-2006, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hostcentrex

Ya they have a rack right next to mine in 60 Hudson in NYC.

I wonder if thats what they are using to keep thier clients online while they rebuild?

minusonebit · 09-07-2006, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby

PS... Havenco... Whatever hosting may be done at Havenco would prob need that corp structure in place anyway since the chances are any "attack" would have to be dealt with on a personal basis.

The corps blocks much - including the actual biz location or any contact information. It also blocks, by jurisdictional obstacles - the vast majority of legal problems (excepting serious crime - drug trafficking, murder, money-laundering etc).

The most obvious point of attack and the achilles heel, would be personal - and hence the reason for the corp and if that ever was penetrated, - next fallback is being "legal" in a country where the various copyright issues were not a problem.

It's a long story

It needs research, but not just at the point of hosting.

Well, in actuallity, if I can ever move forward on the plan (that is, if they rebuild), I was going to see about getting citizenship and thus a passport from Sealand itself. I am currently a US citizen, which means that I would probably want to renounce my US citizenship in that case. Sealand only has a couple of laws regarding content and speach... no CP and no SPAM.

rowan · 09-09-2006, 01:50 PM

Bump again

Funny that the Sealand "royalty" were not even on their island when it caught fire.

en21 · 09-09-2006, 02:53 PM

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Webby · 09-09-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by en21

go with www.softlayer.com ... they are really good

softlayer are in the US and this is an option over being offshore???

minusonebit · 09-09-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by en21

go with www.softlayer.com ... they are really good

Webby · 09-09-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Gotta laugh man

08-22-2006, 05:07 PM	#1
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	Does Anyone Have or Has Anyone Had a Server at HavenCo? Does anyone actually HAVE a server here? This place is supposedly legit, but the fact that it costs so much to setup there and there would be NO recourse for breach of contract and they dont take Visa... can anyone vouch for these people? Has anyone actually had a server here, or managed a box that was there? Is the service worth the price? Why couldnt one big DDoS simply knockout/flood thier intenational link and take them out of commission? While I love the idea, I am a bit uneasy and they dont seem to tell much about how thier system works there and or how my service would be safe with them... they dont even give you a test IP or file. LOL > http://www.havenco.com

08-22-2006, 05:27 PM	#2
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09-04-2006, 02:23 PM	#5
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	I'd really like to talk to someone who has a box here...

09-05-2006, 03:06 AM	#9
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Wasn't there a fire there recently?

09-05-2006, 03:08 AM	#10
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	http://www.bobleroi.co.uk/ScrapBook/...ndFire_3a.html

09-05-2006, 11:19 AM	#11
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	bump for a super dodgy looking setup

09-05-2006, 12:03 PM	#12
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09-05-2006, 06:33 PM	#17
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	PS... Havenco... Whatever hosting may be done at Havenco would prob need that corp structure in place anyway since the chances are any "attack" would have to be dealt with on a personal basis. The corps blocks much - including the actual biz location or any contact information. It also blocks, by jurisdictional obstacles - the vast majority of legal problems (excepting serious crime - drug trafficking, murder, money-laundering etc). The most obvious point of attack and the achilles heel, would be personal - and hence the reason for the corp and if that ever was penetrated, - next fallback is being "legal" in a country where the various copyright issues were not a problem. It's a long story It needs research, but not just at the point of hosting. __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

09-06-2006, 09:51 PM	#18
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	At havenco we have state of the art climate control: a portable air conditioner and a pedestal fan as backup! (It looks like the A/C unit is missing the exhaust hose which makes it nearly useless)

09-09-2006, 01:50 PM	#21
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Bump again Funny that the Sealand "royalty" were not even on their island when it caught fire.

09-09-2006, 02:53 PM	#22
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