We have over a million people, the highest wages in Canada, and pretty much no unemployment. Of course Calgary has nightclubs ;)

Nah, it's just like that at a couple of the clubs here. They are racist and are instructed not to let in people with turbins. I'm not sure if things have changed in the last couple years or not, but it was pretty bad. A buddy of mine who happens to wear a turbin was having the same problem. He dresses nice, and funny thing is he has more cash to blow than anyone else in the bar.

On the plus side, there are lots of better nightclubs that are happy to have the business.

LOL where in Canada are you from? Cause that's not what I see in Toronto.

a statement of fact is not "racism". you're too dumb to even understand what you posted. "achievement" has nothing to do with a bunch of clowns taking over a club and starting shit.

Thats a dumbass comment

a good question to ask in this case.. not saying i agree with what happened in that video..

.....but how many shootings are caused by minorities? Compared to the majority?

It's not blind racism.

It's simply a sound stay-in-business policy with empirical basis. You think they wouldn't allow them entry if it was good for business??

Don't have many black people where I'm from. However, Arabs aren't allowed into clubs in great numbers here. Why? Because there's a hgher risk/chance they'll just bring trouble, and more serious trouble than your average non-Arab.

If a club/bar has a tendency to allow large groups of Arabs I will simply stay away, and so will 99% of the people I know.

And that's why Arabs can't get into clubs in my country.

Hmmmm crazy that's kind of a blast from the past. I remember in 89 on Electric Ave they clubs were demanding two pieces of ID to prevent underage gang members (who on have one piece of fake ID) from getting in and in a way I suppose they were targeting Vietnamese but I never noticed other races have a problem.

Last summer when I was in Houston I got a huge kick out of being told not to watch the hockey game at the Fox Sports grill in the Galleria because it was going to be too "Canadian" in there. I responded "kick ass that's what I want for a hockey game" but later found out that a bar being too Canadian is a slur referring to being too black.

Because of the oil convention there was a shit load of guys from northern Alberta in the bar for the Oilers game so it ended up really being too Canadian :)

not to burst your bubble.. but you should mention cost of living and the 'housing' market :winkwink:

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wow...didnt know canada was like that..time to move up there

Calgary = redneck cowboys

You might wanna travel a bit and you'd realize there are far more racist areas then Calgary. Might I suggest the Merrit Mountain Music Festival?

Hey, now...

What you gave in the quote was your opinion... as I gave mine. Just because you dressed it up differently - presenting it as fact - doesn't mean it's any more than what it is.

Since it seems you could be confused - I didn't call you racist, we're talking about the issue here, and I believe that racial profiling, no matter how you justify it, is inherently racist in nature. I think it has to be.

And so you understand - achievement is simply 'something accomplished.' Someone can achieve a haircut; someone can achieve a job as a clown; someone can achieve taking over a club and starting shit.

Before you go around calling people "dumb", maybe you should check yourself, bro.

Right... it is what it is... there are certainly members of any group that epitomize the stereotype of their class/race/whatever, and aid in perpetuating racist thoughts.

I've bartended in every major city along Interstate 10 in the United States... you don't have to convince me that there aren't those stereotypes out there.

but to turn away from the matter and say what it is "isn't racism" is just kidding yourself, I think.

you quoted the definition of racism to make your point. you totally missunderstood the definition as quoted and the fact that it has no application to the situation of clubs being cautious about who they let in the door and why.

I disagree. I believe it's apt.

as quoted:

"a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement"

As I understand it: the club owners believe that the darkness of someone's skin color determines how they will handle themselves, or - individually achieve the act of socializing, if you will - in their club that evening.

"Justified" or "Unjustified"... "Blind" or "Not Blind"... is still is.

But I'm not really wanting to argue semantics. My point is that racial profiling is racist in nature - whether it's for money, who you're picking out of the Delta boarding-line, or who you're choosing to toss into a brick oven.

It's all "racism."

you are still missunderstanding the definition. what the definition is saying in its referrence to "achievement" is that basically "its racist to think blacks are dumber than whites"

its not racist to say most rappers are black... or most blacks are better rappers than white kids. its just a simple observation supported by overwhelming evidence.

you are really stretching things for no apparent reason. if Northern Greenland Eskimo Whalers where the ones most frequently starting fights in clubs, its not racist to ban them from clubs. it might be unfair to those who dont start fights, but its not racist and its hardly the problem of the club owner who is trying to run a business where people can come and have fun and enjoy themsleves without worrying about people getting shot or packing the place full of people that spend less or no money..... just like its not racist to say that most terrorists today are islamic fundamentalists. the "whys" are totally irrelevant to the actual facts.

man thats fucked it, but that shiet happens in other areas not just over there.

You'll say that "it's racist to think blacks are dumber than whites", but disagree that "it's racist to think blacks act differently than whites."

/sigh

I mean, I'm sure somewhere in the world, someone's saying that blacks being dumber than whites is, as you say, "just a simple observation supported by overwhelming evidence," ya know?

I think I understand the definition I used perfectly, man... but I reckon we'll just have to agree to disagree here.

As I understand it, give it any shade or reasoning you want... it's still "racism."

Want racism?



Ask anyone from Vancouver about bad drivers ;)

with your reasoning, you can call anything "racist" - i can use your own logic and arguments to argue that anything is racist. at some point, reason has to come into play. its not racist to suggest that the average Kenyan would be a better long distance runner than the average Chinese. there are a lot of reasons for it (genetically and otherwise) and the argument doesn't have to degrade to "racism".

its so hard to understand whats wrong with people today. the western world is full of nothing but a bunch of politically correct pussies that do EVERYONE a disservice by being making sure no one can voice an opinion without being condemned and ostracized.

if i own a night club and i know from experience that a certain demographic is more likely to cause problems and less likely to spend money, its not "racist". it just is what it is.

if i own a night club and refuse a bunch of dirty bikers entrance, it would make total sense and no one cares... refuse a bunch of broke ass gangbangers and i am a racist asshole and a scourge on society. at the end of the day, its just business. if a certain type of person is more likely to disrupt a business, its not racism to try to keep those people out. race has nothing to do with it.

let me help you since you obviously can't read a dictionary - although you keep quoting it.

Racism denotes inferiority or the assumption of inferiority based solely on race. calling someone an idiot solely because of the color of their skin fits that definition.

being "different" doesn't imply inferior. chinese are shorter than western whites. thats not racist.

jesus. you guys having a slow day at your perfect utopian commune or what?

Perfectly put. A while back I was having a conversation with a couple of girls and the issue of dating and race came up. One of the girls was stating her preference and she said, 'I don't date black guys and' some other race which I can't remember', and then instantly began nervously explaining herself; 'Oh I'm not racist or anything like that, it's just that I'm not attracted to them'. I told her 'Love, you don't have to explain yourself to me who you prefer to date, that is your own personal preference and don't have to explain your reasoning to anyone'. It's truly become a silly world when one has to be guilted to apologize or explain personal choices in their own life.

They should bring a couple chicks, problem solved ;)

You can't seriously expect to get into a nice club wearing shit shitty ecko shirt and backwards hat?

Held down by the man again

Works both ways... If it wasn't for my money I wouldn't get into a lot of clubs that welcome hip-hop style and frown on white guys with bald heads and grey hair...

Why the fucking insults? Despite what notions I might have of you I haven't shown you disrespect here once, yet you've dropped it on me twice now.

I never said "inferior" or anything of the like... you're the one that keeps loading on all the negatively connoted baggage that comes with the word.

I think I read the dictionary perfectly. You have my opinion on the matter, and I'm done.

Take it or leave it... other obligations are now taking me away from GFY.

i never said a nice club. one of the places was even an arcade style place like dave and busters or gameworks.

LOL the thing is you're ALL bad drivers in Vancouver, race isn't the issue here :(

why the insults? check the site name.

why not insult? its not like i am trying to get a date with you (err... do you swallow?)

of course you didn't. i did... i said it to clarify what "racist" means outside of the narrow context of the quote you used. "racist" is not a positive thing... its not a neutral thing... its negative. "racist" is not a compliment. racist means you judge people as being inferior to yourself based on race. not sure why or how anyone could dissagree with that. the only reason you dance around that is because it forces you into the position of losing your argument since your argument relys solely on the notion of "skin color" as being THE ONLY factor... rather than recurring patterns of behavior that have nothing to do with "skin color"

my "opinion" is that you took one of MANY common definitions for racism and used a definition that doesn't even apply to the conversation to make a point that makes little to no sense.

Dude you are racist no matter how you try to justify being one.. you fit the description just right so be proud :upsidedow

So you think non-racist clubs in Toronto are making bad business decisions? They are making less money than the racist clubs in Calgary? What I say:

http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures.../HeadUpAss.jpg
Get your head outta your racist ass that is. LOL

1. Blacks cause a disproportionate amount of trouble in clubs.
2. Trouble in clubs is bad for business.

If you don't accept the first then you are a fooling yourself for the sake of being PC. If you don't accept the second then I think you need a brain transplant.

The few clubs that do not have a discriminatory policy against blacks are hiphop/soul/rnb clubs. All remaining clubs have a more strict policy against blacks. Even the clubs that are run by blacks and immigrants will be more strict as most owners are not racist but are merely trying to make money.

Since you certainly accept that and that boils down to one simple truth: you are racist by the definition of racism or more so covert racism :( :

Racism can be both overt and covert. Individual racism sometimes consists of overt acts by individuals, which can result in violence or the destruction of property. Institutional racism is often more covert and subtle. It often appears within the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and frequently receives less public condemnation than the overt type.

Now dude, be proud you have too just joined your racist club.. or maybe you had joined it long ago but been on a denial state all your life til now :1orglaugh

I will allow you to call me racist if you give me an answer to the following>

Do you think it is racist to block indonesian traffic or maybe not accept nigerian buyers on your ebay auctions? If no then please explain the difference between these two actions and having a stricter policy for blacks at the door.

I'm hope your head doesn't explode after you realize that ebay is enabling racism.

Yes it is. I don't block any traffic whatsoever. And I accept any ebay buyer regardless of their races to bid on my auctions. See the problem is when you live in a box and you think all that live outside that box are just like yourself too so you have no need for exploring lol. Comon racist dude, move to a more liberal city like Toronto and even your thinking process just might start changing thou I doubt it but possible nevertheless :1orglaugh

Dude, you should support one more thing.. ask your subscribers for their races on join forms and decline as soon as you find they are blacks :helpme :1orglaugh

Uh huh. Keep telling yourself that.


1 snowflake hits the ground in Richmond and 4 BMWs are in a ditch.

In Vancouver for the longest time it was VERY well known that if you were black / brown they would not let you into the Wild Coyote. That club had so, so, so many problems with brown people fighting that the owner just said one day "No more". They screened everyone at the door and it was pretty much a white / asian only club for 4-5 years with very little fighting.

Was it racist? You could say so, yes it was.

Was it a good business decision? Only the owners know if they made more money because of it.

Was it a good nightclub? Hell yes. I went there all the time and you didn't have to worry about groups of brown thugs doing a 20-on-1 stompfest on your head.