New Site. Looking to stay away from 2257 - GoFuckYourself.com

mike217 · 09-26-2006, 07:21 AM

I'm looking into a new site and have a few ideas, but I want to have absolutely nothing to do with 2257. I wanted to check with all the webmasters and more informed individuals, to see what kind of ideas you might have for a somewhat adult site, that would not need any 2257 compliance. Erotic Story Site perhaps? Help me out please. Thanks

mike217 · 09-26-2006, 07:27 AM

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gooddomains · 09-26-2006, 07:34 AM

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DutchTeenCash · 09-26-2006, 07:36 AM

why do you wanna stay away from 2257? you gotta deal with it period

SlamDesigns · 09-26-2006, 07:36 AM

Good luck. I been asking that for a month...still no answer.

bigalownz · 09-26-2006, 07:37 AM

the only way around 2257 is this porn

even then it might be to hot for arab guys

CheeseFrog · 09-26-2006, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkx

why do you wanna stay away from 2257? you gotta deal with it period

Not necessarily. There's tons of adult-oriented things that don't require 2257. Gambling, firearms, pills, etc.

directfiesta · 09-26-2006, 07:44 AM

pre 1995 pics or vids ...

UIf new regulation passes, it could be pre 1991 or something like that ...

Naturally, the pictures/videos must not be deemed obscene by community standards...

mike217 · 09-26-2006, 07:47 AM

Thanks all for the replies, keep them coming. Thanks so much.

DWB · 09-26-2006, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bigalownz

the only way around 2257 is this porn

even then it might be to hot for arab guys

Did you shoot this?

I will buy everything you have like this right fucking now!!! Could be the hottest shit I have ever seen.

shima · 09-26-2006, 07:52 AM

Its quite simple, get a company in EU and forget about 2257 forever. Ask me how

SlamDesigns · 09-26-2006, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shima

Its quite simple, get a company in EU and forget about 2257 forever. Ask me how

Ok, how?

fallenmuffin · 09-26-2006, 07:54 AM

Vintage
Comics/Toons/3D
Stories

mike217 · 09-26-2006, 07:55 AM

Yes, I would also like to know. You can post here or you can drop me a line at mdavinc @ gmail.com.

SlamDesigns · 09-26-2006, 07:56 AM

What if the pictures are non-nude or just topless? Like in a blog post, the actual pics on my server will be non-nude, but lead to a FHG of nude pics on the sponsors server. Then do we have to worry about 2257?

Dirty Dane · 09-26-2006, 08:05 AM

Except the nature of the content, question is where do you live? You have to comply with the laws where you live and your citizen laws, and you should comply with terms of your business relations (servers, sponsors etc.)

fris · 09-26-2006, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Did you shoot this?

I will buy everything you have like this right fucking now!!! Could be the hottest shit I have ever seen.

i want to know where i can find i cant see shit porn too

mike217 · 09-26-2006, 08:10 AM

My problem is that I live in the US. Which means that as a citizen I am bound to our laws. Even if I set up a company in Europe and have my servers offshore and not in the US, I still will have to comply with US law as I am a citizen of the US. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

mike217 · 09-26-2006, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fris

i want to know where i can find i cant see shit porn too

mike217 · 09-26-2006, 08:18 AM

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mike217 · 09-26-2006, 08:33 AM

Come on, I know more people have ideas. Let's get this rolling. Theres got to be others asking about this.

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shima · 09-26-2006, 08:44 AM

>>Even if I set up a company in Europe and have my servers offshore and not in the US, I still will have to comply with US law as I am a citizen of the US.

This is where you're wrong. US has no control over things that are going in EU. EU countries do not have to share everything with your INS or whatever its called now. All you need to do is to comply with local EU laws, which are rather simple. For example our porn law says "Don't sell or advertise porn to minors and don't sell anything illegal (best or kiddie)" Thats it.
Low taxes, no income tax for companies.
Access to your bank account via Internet (good security) and the option of sending bank wires anywhere in the world without actually going to the bank.
And of corse you get Visa cards too.

This venture is especcially good for US based designers, because you my friends are in the deepest shit ever, you are not allowed to feature paysite thumbnails in your portfolios without having the records on every picture you got there.

If you want, I can provide more details, hit me up on ICQ or email shimausa at gmail.com

SlamDesigns · 09-26-2006, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shima

>>Even if I set up a company in Europe and have my servers offshore and not in the US, I still will have to comply with US law as I am a citizen of the US.

This is where you're wrong. US has no control over things that are going in EU. EU countries do not have to share everything with your INS or whatever its called now. All you need to do is to comply with local EU laws, which are rather simple. For example our porn law says "Don't sell or advertise porn to minors and don't sell anything illegal (best or kiddie)" Thats it.
Low taxes, no income tax for companies.
Access to your bank account via Internet (good security) and the option of sending bank wires anywhere in the world without actually going to the bank.
And of corse you get Visa cards too.

This venture is especcially good for US based designers, because you my friends are in the deepest shit ever, you are not allowed to feature paysite thumbnails in your portfolios without having the records on every picture you got there.

If you want, I can provide more details, hit me up on ICQ or email shimausa at gmail.com

Somehow, all of that sounds really, really illegal.

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CyberHustler · 09-26-2006, 08:51 AM

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shima · 09-26-2006, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlamDesigns

Somehow, all of that sounds really, really illegal.

What part of it is illegal?
Are you not allowed to have business outside the US?
When you're not in US, do you drive 35 mph in the cities and take the right lane in UK?

mike217 · 09-26-2006, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shima

>>Even if I set up a company in Europe and have my servers offshore and not in the US, I still will have to comply with US law as I am a citizen of the US.

This is where you're wrong. US has no control over things that are going in EU. EU countries do not have to share everything with your INS or whatever its called now. All you need to do is to comply with local EU laws, which are rather simple. For example our porn law says "Don't sell or advertise porn to minors and don't sell anything illegal (best or kiddie)" Thats it.
Low taxes, no income tax for companies.
Access to your bank account via Internet (good security) and the option of sending bank wires anywhere in the world without actually going to the bank.
And of corse you get Visa cards too.

This venture is especcially good for US based designers, because you my friends are in the deepest shit ever, you are not allowed to feature paysite thumbnails in your portfolios without having the records on every picture you got there.

If you want, I can provide more details, hit me up on ICQ or email shimausa at gmail.com

Have to disagree with you on that one. If I am providing content to US citizens then I am legally responsible. No matter if I set up a company in Europe or South America or wherever. As long as I reside in the US, I am responsible for the 2257 compliance.

SlamDesigns · 09-26-2006, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shima

What part of it is illegal?
Are you not allowed to have business outside the US?
When you're not in US, do you drive 35 mph in the cities and take the right lane in UK?

Do you have a clue about 2257? Seriously, what you are proposing would get US webmasters in a world of shit. As long as you are located in the US, it doesn't matter where your "company" is located, you still have to adhere to the 2257 laws.

SlamDesigns · 09-26-2006, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike217

Have to disagree with you on that one. If I am providing content to US citizens then I am legally responsible. No matter if I set up a company in Europe or South America or wherever. As long as I reside in the US, I am responsible for the 2257 compliance.

Yep, what he said.

mike217 · 09-26-2006, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlamDesigns

Do you have a clue about 2257? Seriously, what you are proposing would get US webmasters in a world of shit. As long as you are located in the US, it doesn't matter where your "company" is located, you still have to adhere to the 2257 laws.

Exactly, Thank you Slam.

shima · 09-26-2006, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike217

Have to disagree with you on that one. If I am providing content to US citizens then I am legally responsible. No matter if I set up a company in Europe or South America or wherever. As long as I reside in the US, I am responsible for the 2257 compliance.

Now thats interesting.
Please tell me how can US Goverment find out that you are linked to a company in EU? Thats one thing.

Secondly, I'm sorry, I don't care if you US buyers brake the 2257 law by buying this content, its their business. Put it right into the disclaimer, noone reads it anyway.

Legally you are an EU company. How can US Government sue you over this? For braking what law, excuse me? Forget about you being in US, you are dealing with that EU company firstly, and secondly EU company sells content to the buyers around the world. Your government cannot sue you, because may not be linked with an EU company (register it on your mother). And it cannot anyhow sue the EU company, because it doesn't brake any law in that particular country. So where is the catch?

lucky1 · 09-26-2006, 09:06 AM

If you live in the US you need to follow 2257. If you can understand it that is.

Back to the original question. For a new site that doesn't require 2257 an all text blog wouldn't be a bad idea if you can write some good, interesting text.

shima · 09-26-2006, 09:06 AM

Look, I'm in EU. If I set up a paysite right now, I don't give a flying flip about 2257, because we don't have it.

If I buy your content, will I brake the US law?

If I start selling it tomorrow will I get sued by the US?

If I make money selling this content to US, will get in jail?

SlamDesigns · 09-26-2006, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucky1

If you live in the US you need to follow 2257. If you can understand it that is.

Back to the original question. For a new site that doesn't require 2257 an all text blog wouldn't be a bad idea if you can write some good, interesting text.

Ok, you have answered half of my question...what about non-nude pics? I'll use Raven Riley as an example. If I use a pic of her in a blog post where she is totally dressed, do I have to have 2257 on her? What if the pic links to a FHG where she is naked and sucking cock or something like that?

mike217 · 09-26-2006, 09:08 AM

You do not seem to understand how 2257 works. No matter where I host and establish my business I am still under US jurisdiction because I am a US citizen, which give the DOJ the ability to arrest me because I have not comoplied with laws that are set forth in the US.

Having a European company has nothing to do with it. If I am a citizen of thie country and own a business that is in another country, I still must comply with the laws of the US. Isn't it great having all that freedom.

fhgmaster · 09-26-2006, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike217

My problem is that I live in the US. Which means that as a citizen I am bound to our laws. Even if I set up a company in Europe and have my servers offshore and not in the US, I still will have to comply with US law as I am a citizen of the US. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

I might be completely wrong, but I assume that if your company in Europe is incorporated, it "acts" on its own as a legal person. You are just an employee.

Can anybody with a juristic background confirm/disprove that?

SlamDesigns · 09-26-2006, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shima

Look, I'm in EU. If I set up a paysite right now, I don't give a flying flip about 2257, because we don't have it.

If I buy your content, will I brake the US law?

If I start selling it tomorrow will I get sued by the US?

If I make money selling this content to US, will get in jail?

Look, I don't profess to be an expert of 2257...but I do know this much. You are right...YOU don't have to worry about it because you are in the EU. But, US webmasters do have to worry about it. No matter if our servers are in our bedrooms or in Japan, we still live in the US, and still have to comply with the 2257 laws.

shima · 09-26-2006, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucky1

If you live in the US you need to follow 2257. If you can understand it that is.

I've read it, thank you.

Laws are made for these that don't know how to use it.
Question is, are you going to play by the rules all your life, or find a way to make a lot of 100% legal money

Good luck

mike217 · 09-26-2006, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shima

Look, I'm in EU. If I set up a paysite right now, I don't give a flying flip about 2257, because we don't have it.

If I buy your content, will I brake the US law?

If I start selling it tomorrow will I get sued by the US?

If I make money selling this content to US, will get in jail?

Exactly, you are a citizen in Europe. If I lived in Europe then there would be no problem, but since I reside in the US, I can not just up and start a business in Europe, being a US citizen, without complying with our laws. That is why your business is fine, since you reside in Europe. 2257 only applies in the US.

shima · 09-26-2006, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlamDesigns

Look, I don't profess to be an expert of 2257...but I do know this much. You are right...YOU don't have to worry about it because you are in the EU. But, US webmasters do have to worry about it. No matter if our servers are in our bedrooms or in Japan, we still live in the US, and still have to comply with the 2257 laws.

Slam, I see your point.
But neither you nor Mike told me how can US Government link YOU to the EU company? How is that possible? You don't understand one thing, you DON'T need to compy with 2257, even if you are in US, because YOU are not selling anything. You only get a bunch of dough from an EU based company, you pay income tax etc. But you, personally, are not selling anything. So saying something like "I reside in US, I need to comply anyway" is like "I breath the air in the US, so I need to comply with 2257 law, and breath accordingly".

lucky1 · 09-26-2006, 09:17 AM

Shima I'm so happy for you that you don't give a flying flip about 2257, but if you lived in the US you would. If you live in the US and have your company in the UK it does not matter. Your company can't go to jail, but you as an individual certainly can.

I'm not a lawyer and by reading shima's post I can tell that he isn't either, so if you really want to know the quidelines of 2257 consult a real lawyer.

mikeyddddd · 09-26-2006, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shima

Look, I'm in EU. If I set up a paysite right now, I don't give a flying flip about 2257, because we don't have it.

If I buy your content, will I brake the US law?

If I start selling it tomorrow will I get sued by the US?

If I make money selling this content to US, will get in jail?

Just stay out of the US because where there's a will there's a way:
Online Gambling Industry Arrest

Dirty Dane · 09-26-2006, 09:18 AM

- If you are US citizen, then there are no ways around it. Except changing citizenship and move abroad.
- If you live in US, but not US citizen, the only way around it, is becoming a diplomat

- If you host in US, no matter your citizenship and where you live, you should comply as far that is logic and required. Otherwise you could be arrested when entering US territory.
- You could use content that is excempt.

Beside the laws, affected by it or not, you should also read the TOS for those you dealing with

shima · 09-26-2006, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike217

Exactly, you are a citizen in Europe. If I lived in Europe then there would be no problem, but since I reside in the US, I can not just up and start a business in Europe, being a US citizen, without complying with our laws. That is why your business is fine, since you reside in Europe.

So since you said that, if my company sends you money at the end of the month will you have to comply with 2257?

directfiesta · 09-26-2006, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shima

Look, I'm in EU. If I set up a paysite right now, I don't give a flying flip about 2257, because we don't have it.

If I buy your content, will I brake the US law?

If I start selling it tomorrow will I get sued by the US?

If I make money selling this content to US, will get in jail?

No, because your ass in the EU....

His ass is in the US .... The only advantage to a foreign corp/foreign host is to protect he assets and keep the service going.

shima · 09-26-2006, 09:25 AM

the big question is, if my EU company will send you all money tomorrow for lets say "Consulting services" that you gave my company, will you have to comply with 2257? You are not even selling porn anymore.

directfiesta · 09-26-2006, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

Just stay out of the US because where there's a will there's a way:
Online Gambling Industry Arrest

... and the brazilian guy

lucky1 · 09-26-2006, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlamDesigns

Ok, you have answered half of my question...what about non-nude pics? I'll use Raven Riley as an example. If I use a pic of her in a blog post where she is totally dressed, do I have to have 2257 on her? What if the pic links to a FHG where she is naked and sucking cock or something like that?
SlamDesigns is online now

If you have non nude pics hosted on your site then you don't have to worry about 2257. Fhgs are not hosted on you site and you don't have to keep records for anything not hosted on your site (don't know about iframes or hotlinking though).

I am not a lawyer so don't take this as legal advice.

shima · 09-26-2006, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

Just stay out of the US because where there's a will there's a way:
Online Gambling Industry Arrest

...Department of Justice, which charged the executive, David Carruthers, and his company, BetOnSports, with criminal racketeering and wire fraud on Monday...

Sorry but thats never legal anywhere. So no wonder he got arrested.

09-26-2006, 07:21 AM	#1
mike217 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 448	New Site. Looking to stay away from 2257 I'm looking into a new site and have a few ideas, but I want to have absolutely nothing to do with 2257. I wanted to check with all the webmasters and more informed individuals, to see what kind of ideas you might have for a somewhat adult site, that would not need any 2257 compliance. Erotic Story Site perhaps? Help me out please. Thanks

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mike217 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 448	Thanks all for the replies, keep them coming. Thanks so much.

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shima Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Office, as usual Posts: 1,753	Its quite simple, get a company in EU and forget about 2257 forever. Ask me how

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mike217 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 448	Yes, I would also like to know. You can post here or you can drop me a line at mdavinc @ gmail.com.

09-26-2006, 07:56 AM	#15
SlamDesigns Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,339	What if the pictures are non-nude or just topless? Like in a blog post, the actual pics on my server will be non-nude, but lead to a FHG of nude pics on the sponsors server. Then do we have to worry about 2257?

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Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Except the nature of the content, question is where do you live? You have to comply with the laws where you live and your citizen laws, and you should comply with terms of your business relations (servers, sponsors etc.)

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mike217 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 448	My problem is that I live in the US. Which means that as a citizen I am bound to our laws. Even if I set up a company in Europe and have my servers offshore and not in the US, I still will have to comply with US law as I am a citizen of the US. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

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shima Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Office, as usual Posts: 1,753	>>Even if I set up a company in Europe and have my servers offshore and not in the US, I still will have to comply with US law as I am a citizen of the US. This is where you're wrong. US has no control over things that are going in EU. EU countries do not have to share everything with your INS or whatever its called now. All you need to do is to comply with local EU laws, which are rather simple. For example our porn law says "Don't sell or advertise porn to minors and don't sell anything illegal (best or kiddie)" Thats it. Low taxes, no income tax for companies. Access to your bank account via Internet (good security) and the option of sending bank wires anywhere in the world without actually going to the bank. And of corse you get Visa cards too. This venture is especcially good for US based designers, because you my friends are in the deepest shit ever, you are not allowed to feature paysite thumbnails in your portfolios without having the records on every picture you got there. If you want, I can provide more details, hit me up on ICQ or email shimausa at gmail.com

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lucky1 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 309	If you live in the US you need to follow 2257. If you can understand it that is. Back to the original question. For a new site that doesn't require 2257 an all text blog wouldn't be a bad idea if you can write some good, interesting text. __________________ - See sig --->

09-26-2006, 09:08 AM	#36
mike217 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 448	You do not seem to understand how 2257 works. No matter where I host and establish my business I am still under US jurisdiction because I am a US citizen, which give the DOJ the ability to arrest me because I have not comoplied with laws that are set forth in the US. Having a European company has nothing to do with it. If I am a citizen of thie country and own a business that is in another country, I still must comply with the laws of the US. Isn't it great having all that freedom.

09-26-2006, 09:17 AM	#42
lucky1 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 309	Shima I'm so happy for you that you don't give a flying flip about 2257, but if you lived in the US you would. If you live in the US and have your company in the UK it does not matter. Your company can't go to jail, but you as an individual certainly can. I'm not a lawyer and by reading shima's post I can tell that he isn't either, so if you really want to know the quidelines of 2257 consult a real lawyer. __________________ - See sig --->

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Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	- If you are US citizen, then there are no ways around it. Except changing citizenship and move abroad. - If you live in US, but not US citizen, the only way around it, is becoming a diplomat - If you host in US, no matter your citizenship and where you live, you should comply as far that is logic and required. Otherwise you could be arrested when entering US territory. - You could use content that is excempt. Beside the laws, affected by it or not, you should also read the TOS for those you dealing with

09-26-2006, 09:25 AM	#47
shima Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Office, as usual Posts: 1,753	the big question is, if my EU company will send you all money tomorrow for lets say "Consulting services" that you gave my company, will you have to comply with 2257? You are not even selling porn anymore.