My solution to Zango. Everyone should do this - GoFuckYourself.com

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 05:37 AM

I've parsed my server logs and altho it accounts for 1% of the traffic I still believe its something that should be prevented as soon as possible.
Among the solutions proposed here I think another one is to inform the user.

Preview Here

If you want to inform your surfers you can create a landing page like that or use mine and add the following .htaccess code to your sites:

Code:

RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*ZangoToolbar.*$ [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.dark5.com.*$ [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.yourdomain.com.*$ [NC]
RewriteRule .* http://www.dark5.com/warnings/zango.php?ref=www.yourdomain.com [R,L]

I've added it to a couple of my sites and will add it to all.
If all big traffic sites would use something like this we could accomplish something.

IncaD · 10-17-2006, 05:40 AM

nice idea, but that page reads like those annoying anti-spyware popups. the text and layout will have to be done in a way that surfers actually stop and read it.

Trax · 10-17-2006, 05:42 AM

I like that a lot
i was wondering if there was a way to do that

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by IncaD

nice idea, but that page reads like those annoying anti-spyware popups.

It is an anti-spyware popup

Quote:

the text and layout will have to be done in a way that surfers actually stop and read it.

Ofcourse it can be better.

Damian_Maxcash · 10-17-2006, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by IncaD

nice idea, but that page reads like those annoying anti-spyware popups. the text and layout will have to be done in a way that surfers actually stop and read it.

I think its more the .htaccess and general idea that he is trying to get across - not his public relation skills

Glad to see that someone else thinks its time to do something, rather than just bitch about it.

marketsmart · 10-17-2006, 05:51 AM

its a good idea!

Tuga · 10-17-2006, 05:54 AM

Looks promising.

jayeff · 10-17-2006, 05:55 AM

To make it less aggravating for your visitors and to make it seem less like you are hijacking them yourself, you could simply direct those with Zango's toolbar (or any like it) to an alternate main page.

Since these visitors are likely to be hijacked anyway, it would not be any great real loss to use (some of) your usual promo space on such pages to warn against scumware and provide links to sites (or set up your own page) offering info on how to remove it.

Jace · 10-17-2006, 05:56 AM

there is a thread on another forum about the new way google is presenting a warning page before people enter a site....someone who was getting hundreds of thousands of hits a day was down something like 50% of his traffic because of that extra step to get into his site

give a surfer any extra steps, and they won't bother

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff

To make it less aggravating for your visitors and to make it seem less like you are hijacking them yourself, you could simply direct those with Zango's toolbar (or any like it) to an alternate main page.

Since these visitors are likely to be hijacked anyway, it would not be any great real loss to use (some of) your usual promo space on such pages to warn against scumware and provide links to sites (or set up your own page) offering info on how to remove it.

I can easily script a zero size image which when seen by an infected user it would show a banner linking to a page with info, thing is
how many webmasters are going to use such a thing ?

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

there is a thread on another forum about the new way google is presenting a warning page before people enter a site....someone who was getting hundreds of thousands of hits a day was down something like 50% of his traffic because of that extra step to get into his site

give a surfer any extra steps, and they won't bother

right, but in this case the user is certainly infected and your chance of
making a sale is close to zero. So no real loss.

Russian · 10-17-2006, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

I've parsed my server logs and altho it accounts for 1% of the traffic I still believe its something that should be prevented as soon as possible.
Among the solutions proposed here I think another one is to inform the user.

Preview Here

If you want to inform your surfers you can create a landing page like that or use mine and add the following .htaccess code to your sites:

Code:

RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*ZangoToolbar.*$ [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.dark5.com.*$ [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.yourdomain.com.*$ [NC]
RewriteRule .* http://www.dark5.com/warnings/zango.php?ref=www.yourdomain.com [R,L]

I've added it to a couple of my sites and will add it to all.
If all big traffic sites would use something like this we could accomplish something.

If you run a TGP this thing will just kill it. So it's not a way out.

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Russian

If you run a TGP this thing will just kill it. So it's not a way out.

so you're saying that it doesn't matter what kind of traffic you have
as long as its a lot of it.
This is why this industry is shit.

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russian

If you run a TGP this thing will just kill it. So it's not a way out.

mind you, tgps are probably the core reason of this mess because they jerk surfers around sending them to all kind of installers.

12clicks · 10-17-2006, 06:06 AM

surfers don't care.

Jace · 10-17-2006, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

mind you, tgps are probably the core reason of this mess because they jerk surfers around sending them to all kind of installers.

tgp's are the root of a lot of evil in the online porn industry

Jace · 10-17-2006, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

surfers don't care.

12clicks speaks the truth

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

surfers don't care.

possible.
But I think first of all they're not informed enough to care.

StarkReality · 10-17-2006, 06:12 AM

Well, instead of the warning page, you could just create a second version of your mainpage, let's call it youareinfected.html and change the rewrite rule accordingly. On top of this page, you place a Zango warning, below it the html from your mainpage.

Lazy visitors will just click your thumbs/trades/etc as normal, referrer for the trades on other sites will be your domain as usual. So, no visitors are lost and you show a warning.

Damian_Maxcash · 10-17-2006, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

surfers don't care.

Thats right - if we do our job right they just go in the direction we point them.

and hope there are no distractions on the way.

The best learning experiance I had was sitting my step father in front of a computer and telling him to find some porn.....

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkReality

Well, instead of the warning page, you could just create a second version of your mainpage, let's call it youareinfected.html and change the rewrite rule accordingly. On top of this page, you place a Zango warning, below it the html from your mainpage.

Lazy visitors will just click your thumbs/trades/etc as normal, referrer for the trades on other sites will be your domain as usual. So, no visitors are lost and you show a warning.

You don't even need that you can use javascript to detect Zango
and if its infected you just add an extra link on your main page.

Russian · 10-17-2006, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

mind you, tgps are probably the core reason of this mess because they jerk surfers around sending them to all kind of installers.

Huh? Man, my tgp sends first click to galleries and it's totally clean site and since Zango has added my main sponsor to it's fucking toolbar or something I have only seen one sign-up and have my traffic counted by the sponsor decreased to as low as 20-30 clicks per day.
Should I then actually redirect a given surfer somewhere? Fuck no as this will mean I will totally kill my site.
Should I change a sponsor? Well, no guaratee a new one will convert as well as no guarantee my site won't die because of low prod.

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russian

Huh? Man, my tgp sends first click to galleries and it's totally clean site and since Zango has added my main sponsor to it's fucking toolbar or something I have only seen one sign-up and have my traffic counted by the sponsor decreased to as low as 20-30 clicks per day.
Should I then actually redirect a given surfer somewhere? Fuck no as this will mean I will totally kill my site.
Should I change a sponsor? Well, no guaratee a new one will convert as well as no guarantee my site won't die because of low prod.

I wasn't reffering to your tgp but tgps in general.
But if your surfers have Zango installed it would be better to warn them
than sending them to sponsors first where you have little chances of making sales.
Not necesarely a redirect, you can use a banner to point to a warning page or anything.

Doctor Dre · 10-17-2006, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russian

Huh? Man, my tgp sends first click to galleries and it's totally clean site and since Zango has added my main sponsor to it's fucking toolbar or something I have only seen one sign-up and have my traffic counted by the sponsor decreased to as low as 20-30 clicks per day.
Should I then actually redirect a given surfer somewhere? Fuck no as this will mean I will totally kill my site.
Should I change a sponsor? Well, no guaratee a new one will convert as well as no guarantee my site won't die because of low prod.

Zango can't be the only problem there budy... it's less then a 5 % of your traffic for sure.

Dollarmansteve · 10-17-2006, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

I wasn't reffering to your tgp but tgps in general.
But if your surfers have Zango installed it would be better to warn them
than sending them to sponsors first where you have little chances of making sales.
Not necesarely a redirect, you can use a banner to point to a warning page or anything.

Not every sponsor program buys traffic from Zango - there is only a potential to lose sales if the traffic is sent to a sponsor that is purchasing zango traffic. So, the statement in bold is an unwarranted fear and not a good reason to use a script such as yours. Im not saying that it is a bad thing to inform the surfers - but to do it for the reason stated above is irrational.

SmokeyTheBear · 10-17-2006, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

surfers don't care.

Thats why you start denying them access to your websites and they will care

TheSwed · 10-17-2006, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

Zango can't be the only problem there budy... it's less then a 5 % of your traffic for sure.

Yes..but if you have AFF as a top banner on a tgp and a surfer click on it...the surfer are for sure lost true a popup hell

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

Not every sponsor program buys traffic from Zango - there is only a potential to lose sales if the traffic is sent to a sponsor that is purchasing zango traffic. So, the statement in bold is an unwarranted fear and not a good reason to use a script such as yours. Im not saying that it is a bad thing to inform the surfers - but to do it for the reason stated above is irrational.

thats wrong.
even if the respective sponsor its not buying zango traffic
anyone can take away that traffic.

Xenophage · 10-17-2006, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

Zango can't be the only problem there budy... it's less then a 5 % of your traffic for sure.

Actually its less than half of 1%

u-Bob · 10-17-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Actually its less than half of 1%

Your point being? Even if it's only 0.5%, it's still theft.

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Your point being? Even if it's only 0.5%, it's still theft.

it is theft
but it wasn't brought up by anyone so far and whoever says its going broke because of this is full of shit.

Brujah · 10-17-2006, 08:43 AM

Can you use javascript to change the focus to 'self' if it isn't already and then close all other windows on the page that might be open on detection of the Zango visitor?

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 08:44 AM

I dont think js can close pages it didn't open itself. I might be wrong.

SmokeyTheBear · 10-17-2006, 08:55 AM

p.s. i think you should change the zangotoolbar to plain zango with wildcards on both sides because i think sometimes it doesnt say zangotoolbar just zango

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

p.s. i think you should change the zangotoolbar to plain zango with wildcards on both sides because i think sometimes it doesnt say zangotoolbar just zango

it always uses Zangotoolbar.
but ofcourse you knew that from few days ago

fetishblog · 10-17-2006, 09:21 AM

You can't spell.

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fetishblog

You can't spell.

thanks for your valuable contribution

pornguy · 10-17-2006, 09:30 AM

Make it look more like a 404 warning page

pornpf69 · 10-17-2006, 09:50 AM

had anyone closed any acocnts from zango?

darksoul · 10-17-2006, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornpf69

had anyone closed any acocnts from zango?

thats a bit delicate.
If I use your refcode to buy traffic from zango, would you like your account closed ?

Tempest · 10-17-2006, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russian

If you run a TGP this thing will just kill it. So it's not a way out.

If sending maybe 1% of your traffic to a page wher ethey can click to get back is going to kill your site then you have a much bigger problem than Zango.

Tempest · 10-17-2006, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Actually its less than half of 1%

If it's as insignificant as you've been trying to imply then you should have no problem stopping your stealing traffic from webmasters.

Thurbs · 10-17-2006, 07:19 PM

to some extent surfers dont care at all ... i remember alot of my friends PC's were just full of spyware, if I wanted to check a site from friends, some of them, would say things like "just close all those popups when IE comes up, it does that" im sure I'm not the only one that has heard that kind of warning from friends.

Splum · 10-17-2006, 07:27 PM

Zango is owning this industry

interracialtoons · 10-17-2006, 07:50 PM

"Zango owning industry"...

But what will happen if we decide to close our sites because there just isn't enough money in it anymore. Will zango still make money?

GonZo · 10-25-2006, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

If it's as insignificant as you've been trying to imply then you should have no problem stopping your stealing traffic from webmasters.

Didnt you read?
Lars has plenty of money to burn next month!

GrouchyAdmin · 10-25-2006, 03:31 AM

How long until Zango just stops stuffing their name in the User-Agent? Two? Three releases?

s9ann0 · 10-25-2006, 06:16 AM

thanks I am sure this will solve the problem

12clicks · 10-25-2006, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Thats why you start denying them access to your websites and they will care

sadly, that horse has left the barn long ago.

Sites needed to block google toolbar surfers from their sites.

darksoul · 10-25-2006, 06:32 AM

btw, heres another page where you can redirect the traffic
http://www.adwaresucks.com/zango/
or make your own.

10-17-2006, 05:37 AM	#1
darksoul Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: /root/ Posts: 4,997	My solution to Zango. Everyone should do this I've parsed my server logs and altho it accounts for 1% of the traffic I still believe its something that should be prevented as soon as possible. Among the solutions proposed here I think another one is to inform the user. Preview Here If you want to inform your surfers you can create a landing page like that or use mine and add the following .htaccess code to your sites: Code: RewriteEngine On RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.ZangoToolbar.$ [NC] RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.dark5.com.$ [NC] RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.yourdomain.com.$ [NC] RewriteRule .* http://www.dark5.com/warnings/zango.php?ref=www.yourdomain.com [R,L] I've added it to a couple of my sites and will add it to all. If all big traffic sites would use something like this we could accomplish something. __________________ 1337 5y54\|)m1n: 157717888 BM-2cUBw4B2fgiYAfjkE7JvWaJMiUXD96n9tN Cambooth Last edited by darksoul; 10-17-2006 at 05:38 AM..

10-17-2006, 05:54 AM	#7
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10-17-2006, 06:06 AM	#15
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,788	surfers don't care. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

10-17-2006, 08:43 AM	#32
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Can you use javascript to change the focus to 'self' if it isn't already and then close all other windows on the page that might be open on detection of the Zango visitor? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

10-17-2006, 08:44 AM	#33
darksoul Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: /root/ Posts: 4,997	I dont think js can close pages it didn't open itself. I might be wrong. __________________ 1337 5y54\|)m1n: 157717888 BM-2cUBw4B2fgiYAfjkE7JvWaJMiUXD96n9tN Cambooth

10-17-2006, 05:40 AM	#2
IncaD Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,524	nice idea, but that page reads like those annoying anti-spyware popups. the text and layout will have to be done in a way that surfers actually stop and read it.

10-17-2006, 05:42 AM	#3
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	I like that a lot i was wondering if there was a way to do that

10-17-2006, 05:51 AM	#6
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	its a good idea!

10-17-2006, 05:55 AM	#8
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	To make it less aggravating for your visitors and to make it seem less like you are hijacking them yourself, you could simply direct those with Zango's toolbar (or any like it) to an alternate main page. Since these visitors are likely to be hijacked anyway, it would not be any great real loss to use (some of) your usual promo space on such pages to warn against scumware and provide links to sites (or set up your own page) offering info on how to remove it.

10-17-2006, 05:56 AM	#9
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	there is a thread on another forum about the new way google is presenting a warning page before people enter a site....someone who was getting hundreds of thousands of hits a day was down something like 50% of his traffic because of that extra step to get into his site give a surfer any extra steps, and they won't bother

10-17-2006, 06:12 AM	#19
StarkReality Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Posts: 4,444	Well, instead of the warning page, you could just create a second version of your mainpage, let's call it youareinfected.html and change the rewrite rule accordingly. On top of this page, you place a Zango warning, below it the html from your mainpage. Lazy visitors will just click your thumbs/trades/etc as normal, referrer for the trades on other sites will be your domain as usual. So, no visitors are lost and you show a warning.

10-17-2006, 08:55 AM	#34
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10-17-2006, 09:21 AM	#36
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10-17-2006, 09:30 AM	#38
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10-17-2006, 07:19 PM	#43
Thurbs The Thrilla in Manila Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Thurbs' Lagoon, Christmas Island Posts: 4,785	to some extent surfers dont care at all ... i remember alot of my friends PC's were just full of spyware, if I wanted to check a site from friends, some of them, would say things like "just close all those popups when IE comes up, it does that" im sure I'm not the only one that has heard that kind of warning from friends.

10-17-2006, 07:27 PM	#44
Splum Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 6,195	Zango is owning this industry

10-17-2006, 07:50 PM	#45
interracialtoons Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,910	"Zango owning industry"... But what will happen if we decide to close our sites because there just isn't enough money in it anymore. Will zango still make money? __________________ Done.

10-25-2006, 03:31 AM	#47
GrouchyAdmin Now choke yourself! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 12,085	How long until Zango just stops stuffing their name in the User-Agent? Two? Three releases? __________________ AIM: GrouchyGfy

10-25-2006, 06:16 AM	#48
s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	thanks I am sure this will solve the problem

10-25-2006, 06:32 AM	#50
darksoul Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: /root/ Posts: 4,997	btw, heres another page where you can redirect the traffic http://www.adwaresucks.com/zango/ or make your own. __________________ 1337 5y54\|)m1n: 157717888 BM-2cUBw4B2fgiYAfjkE7JvWaJMiUXD96n9tN Cambooth