pocketkangaroo

This is a serious thread and I'm looking for legitimate answers whether they be in legal terms or such. In another thread the discussion opened up on the legality of these sleeping girl fetish sites.

My question as a US webmaster is; is this legal? Now I know a few of these sponsors operate in the US so I'm assuming these kind of sites fall under some legal term. I'm also guessing that sponsors have cleared these kind of sites and have had attorneys looking over it.

So I'm looking for sponsors of these companies to give a quick legal breakdown for us. As a webmaster, I've been a tad leary of promoting sites like that for the simple fact of legal concerns. Again, this is not an attack, not a negative thread, just a question to clarify some issues regarding these sites.

Help from RageCash, LongDongDollars, RadicalCash, BucksGenerator, and anyone else would be appreciated.

DEA - banned for life

If the girl site owners are sleeping how do you expect them to come here and post?

djroof

lol................

ninavain

good one

seven

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Dirty Dane

Exactly what should make showing a sleeping model illegal, as long she is 18+ ????

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NoWhErE

Surely you do have to realize that the model is consenting and that they video tape the model before every shoot saying that she is well aware of what is going to happen and she signs release forms?


I don't see why it wouldn't be illegal. Its all staged

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The Heron

Here's a tip, they aren't really sleeping!

azzam

Can simulated rape be prosecuted as rape?

Dirty Dane

Yes I know, but if she sleep or not, why should it be illegal as long she is 18+ and agreed to it?
I know IRL some loosers would take advantage of girls sleeping, or they are too drunk to notice, and putting THAT on the web (without her permission) would have some moral issues

DWB

*yawn*

Let me wake up... give me a sec and I will answer your questions. I ate a zanax and have been out cold... sleeping like a baby.

free4porn

fake sleep!

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pocketkangaroo

Yes, I do know it is staged. But I also know that people in the US have been arrested for selling rape fantasy videos and such.

seven

Rape IS when the girl says NO yet the guy goes at it. Drunk sleeping girls in real life gets fucked yet never sues cause she didn't really say "NO" to the guy, and the guy didn't make forced entry in her pussy. Also most sleeping vids girl wakes up at the end of movie and participates/consents.. come to think about it if fucking a drunk sleeping girl was illegal i'd have ended up in jail long time ago for my fucking my girfriends/one nights stands while they are drunk or half asleep.. thou parsonally wouldn't like totally sleeping girls cos they wouldn't be very responsive which is a turn off but got nothing against others who would

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pocketkangaroo

Having sex with a girl who is unconcious is illegal in the US.

Boobzooka

Unable to give consent is considered rape under (US) law. This applies to being too drunk, too medicated, unconscious, mentally retarded, whatever. Forget this "she didn't say no" shit. She has to "say yes" in advance or else it's possible for her to lay a rape charge. The original poster has an interesting question. If it were real, the law would consider this rape. So is this fantasy rape? Likely, depending on the context. I personally don't think fantasy anything should be illegal, especially with the doublestandard of what mainstream can depict vs what we're allowed to show, but under the current law it would make me nervous.

bl4h

legal or not i wouldnt promote that shit unless its staged. Youre a creep to even promote that stuff.

High Plains Drifter

Its all staged you moron.

bl4h

then why would it be illegal, moron? Obviously hes not talking about fake sleeping chicks?

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High Plains Drifter

Yes, he is. It *might* be illegal because fantasy rape is illegal and that's essentially what this is.

bl4h

oh i see. i dont go that low so i wouldnt know

DBS.US

If you get busted, Let your $200 an hour lawyer tell the judge its all fake. Easy as that.

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Solid Bob

You are a fucking idiot. Fucking a sleeping girl is quite illegal.

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High Plains Drifter

I meant moron in the nicest way

The Ghost

Here's a cute pic of Joon sleeping


Good thread....

There should not be an issue with any content that is made with consenting adults for consenting adult, regardless of the perceived outcome of the product from other parties.

We don't make sexual sleep style sites, but I don't personally see a problem with them. Even if I didn't personally care for it, I wouldn't have a problem with people producing them. As long as it is fantasy between CONSENTING ADULTS. When people try to interject their moral opinions into the argument is when laws that restrict many other acts and content will come into play.

The U.S. government does not own any scalpules to delicately cut out unwanted things. If there's a small cut on a finger, the probable action is to remove the whole arm.

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NinjaSteve

We are 2257 compliant, our site and content was reviewed by our lawyers and approved by third party billing companies. If a webmaster wants to promote Night Invasion but has concerns like you've stated, we can host a site for you for this purpose.

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Pleasurepays

i'm not a lawyer and you probably saw my comments the other day.

here is what i understand

1) rape content is legal
2) inserting your penis into a girl when she cannot give consent or is not aware, cant object etc - is one type of rape by federal definition
3) different states have differing additional rape laws and expanded definitions of what constitutes rape.

so.. the way i understood it (and the points the sleepassualt.com guy was avoiding) is that if a girl is being depicted as being fucked while she is sleeping, and the site/name/content/context also makes it clear that she is being assualted and did not give consent to the act - then its a depiction of rape.

words like "fantasy" - "fetish" etc etc etc have nothing to do with what is actually being depicted on a site.

if you notice on a couple of them, they are careful in the text of the site, with each content set, to make it clear that the girl was aware of what was going to happen, gave full consent etc and then the "fantasy" was fulfilled. it was not framed in a way like sleepassualt.com - basically saying "the dumb bitch passed out so i fucked her and went home"


i was genuinely interested in what the answers were and i was a little stunned that no one knew.

Pleasurepays

i think you are wrong on every count. in fact, upon reading case law, i saw that several states (i believe pennsylvania was one) have laws that take into account the fact that often "no" means "maybe". so saying "no" at some point during the evening/encounter is not a broad defense for not giving consent to an act that occured later.

further, you can wake up and fuck after realizing you were sexually assualted while asleep and that does not change the fact that the original act was a crime/illegal and that no consent was given. just as you can be raped and say 3 months later for whatever reason that it was not rape. it doesn't matter what you say after the fact, what matters are the legal tests for determining whether or not the event in question was rape.

Basic_man

lol, funny answer :P

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Bladewire

So are you trying to say my HTTP://WWW.SLEEPINGMEN.COM site is rape because the guys are getting jacked off in their sleep without giving consent?

There's no forced entry

Pleasurepays

the funny thing is that you guys actually have nothing but questions and stupid remarks... rather than simply quoting the laws or stating a legal clear legal position that provides some grounds to establish the legality of what you are doing. that tells me that most of you (with the exception of one poster here and another company that also obviously sought out legal counsel before going live with a site) have absolutely no clue. thats a pretty irresponsible position given todays political climate, the usual inherent risks in porn and the fact that you are pushing further than most into a very gray area of the law.




there are federal laws and there are state laws. i would guess that the short answer is that every porn site on the web is probably illegal in at least one or more US states, counties or cities. the issue of rape or what could be considered illegal content depicting rape, would obviously add another layer of risk and legal liabilities.



http://www.sleepingmen.com/html/pjesse.html

1) he uses alcohol to get someone drunk with the intent of assualting them sexually (or at least knows the victem is drunk and going to "pass out" at his residence)

2) he then proceeds with the sexual assault.

3) he then confirms at the end that the victem never woke up during the assualt - (no arguable hint of consent or even conscious awareness of what is happening).

this is a basic summary which seems to sum up a lot of what i have read as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape

"Rape is the act of forcing penetrative sexual acts, against his or her will through violence, force, threat of injury, or other duress, or where the victim is unable to decline, due to the effects of drugs or alcohol."

"Definitions of rape

Rape is, in most jurisdictions, a crime defined as sexual intercourse or penetration without valid consent by both parties. In some jurisdictions, rape is defined by penetration of the anus or the vagina by a penis, while in other jurisdictions, the penetration of either the vagina or the anus need not be by a penis, but can be by other objects such as a finger or a dildo. Some jurisdictions expand the definition of rape further to include other sexual acts without valid consent, including oral copulation and masturbation."

i would also venture to guess that a disclaimer as you have, stating that its all fun and games doesn't mean that what factually happened (i.e. two models shot some content) and what is depicted as having had happened (i.e. first degree sexaul assualt) are seen as two seperate things by the law. my understanding is that its about what is depicted in the content and the context that matters. just in the same way that you can't produce a film called raped preteen girls and just throw up a disclaimer saying its ok.