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  • Barefootsies
    Choice is an Illusion
    • Feb 2005
    • 42635

    #1

    NEEDED: New Billing Company (SPAM ME)


    Greetings,

    I am looking for some recommendations on both merchant accounts, and 3rd party billers. I've had BHE for some of my sites for 7-8 years now, and for the past year or so I've had Verotel for my celebrity site(s). I've been happy with both, so I have no complaints there.

    That said, I may need to replace my BHE biller because of changes in their business model. I would not have a problem moving my footsies sites to Verotel, however I do not like all my eggs in one basket so to speak.

    No need to post iBill, IBAlls, and all that shit in this thread. I need recommendations from others who've had good experience with their billing companies and/or those companies to contact me, or provide contact info.

    This change would effect 3-5 sites. We do NOT bill 100k a month.

    Post away


    Thank you in advance!

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  • emjay
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2004
    • 4280

    #2
    Our billing is a great way of offering surfers a limited trial 'sneek peek' of your members area.

    Ip-geo-targeted in 36 languages, surfers worldwide see a call-to-action to pay you in their own language and buy a block of time using their phone.

    Unlike similar solutions, with our the surfer only needs ONE phone line, not two.

    We can also create geo-ip versions of your sites using the
    http://www.webpinaccess.com/?layout=blank template.

    In section 1, go to JAPAN - that's what a surfer from there will see

    To see a paysite that uses us go to http://www.gbitches.com/join.html
    (the small white payment button is geo-ip in 36 languages also )

    No set-up fees, factored payment every two weeks by wire, check or epassporte.

    To get started, sign up here http://www.password-by-phone.com/signup.php

    Pay-per-call pioneers since '94, over $250m paid
    I Run 500+ WhatsApp Groups. The Zuck Owns Me
    www.emjayconsultancy.com

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    • Barefootsies
      Choice is an Illusion
      • Feb 2005
      • 42635

      #3
      Originally posted by emjay
      Our billing is a great way of offering surfers a limited trial 'sneek peek' of your members area.

      Ip-geo-targeted in 36 languages, surfers worldwide see a call-to-action to pay you in their own language and buy a block of time using their phone.

      Unlike similar solutions, with our the surfer only needs ONE phone line, not two.

      We can also create geo-ip versions of your sites using the
      http://www.webpinaccess.com/?layout=blank template.

      In section 1, go to JAPAN - that's what a surfer from there will see

      To see a paysite that uses us go to http://www.gbitches.com/join.html
      (the small white payment button is geo-ip in 36 languages also )

      No set-up fees, factored payment every two weeks by wire, check or epassporte.

      To get started, sign up here http://www.password-by-phone.com/signup.php

      Pay-per-call pioneers since '94, over $250m paid
      That's definately an "interesting" way of doing your billing.

      I like that you pay bi-weekly, their currentcy, and no excessive set up fees.

      Keep em coming.
      Should You Email Your Members?

      Link1 | Link2 | Link3

      Enough Said.

      "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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      • Fetish
        Confirmed User
        • Mar 2005
        • 823

        #4
        If you are not using Netbilling, you should be. They handle all of our sites, both products and memberships.

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        • Penrod
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2001
          • 3580

          #5
          Take a look at www.365billing.com We have been with them for a while and have great conversions and great support.

          Ask for Troy. troyr at 365billing dot com

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          • Kimmykim
            bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
            • Jun 2001
            • 16015

            #6
            I can place you in the EU, and you can use Netbilling for your reporting and gateway services with either of our setups.

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            • KGucci
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2004
              • 653

              #7
              Barefootsies ~

              Consider SegPay.com. 3rd party EU IPSP with a secure payout model. Feel free to contact me directly

              www.SegPay.com
              KGreer at SegPay dot com
              Skype: kgucci

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              • Barefootsies
                Choice is an Illusion
                • Feb 2005
                • 42635

                #8
                Good stuff. Keep it coming.

                Should You Email Your Members?

                Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                Enough Said.

                "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                • beckie
                  Confirmed User
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 405

                  #9
                  Hey you - whatcha been up to?

                  Try:
                  Paymonde.com

                  Sun Designs xxx
                  icq - 16100431

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                  • Mr. Soul
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 1633

                    #10
                    The only two I would consider as a primary 3rd party processor are Epoch and CCbill.

                    Netbilling if you're getting your own merchant account.

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                    • Barefootsies
                      Choice is an Illusion
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 42635

                      #11
                      Originally posted by beckie
                      Hey you - whatcha been up to?

                      Try:
                      Paymonde.com
                      Beckie!!!

                      Hey not much. Been a busy summer. You have high speed up there yet.
                      Should You Email Your Members?

                      Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                      Enough Said.

                      "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                      • Ben.Z
                        Confirmed User
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 1164

                        #12
                        Hi Barefootsies,

                        Ben from WTS (ACHdebit.com) here. We are the oldest and largest ACH processor on the Adult'Net. Drop me a line, I'd love to discuss billing options with you.

                        Ben Zuckerman
                        Web Transaction Services
                        Toll Free: 1(866)735-5987 ext.1168
                        ICQ: 138827832
                        Credit Card Processing for Adult Merchants

                        Contact me: Ben Z. (ben|AT|CardReady.com) ICQ_138827832
                        Toll Free: 1.888.398.6001 Ext.212

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                        • 4Pics
                          Confirmed User
                          • Dec 2001
                          • 7952

                          #13
                          You should go with netbilling, there simply isn't anything better!

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                          • Holly Lez!
                            She's back
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 3480

                            #14
                            Contact Epoch.. Great People! Good Business and we are so happy with them! esther at paycom dot net
                            I don't work for a billing company I am just a client telling you who we like to work with!
                            [email protected]
                            Skype: hollyruprecht

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                            • Barefootsies
                              Choice is an Illusion
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 42635

                              #15
                              Some additional information that's come up in my ICQ convo's...

                              -The sites in question are softcore. Foot fetish, and tickling sites.
                              -I would like a processor that pays either weekly, or biweekly via ACH. No wires, epass, etc.
                              -These sites are membership, and also have an online store for additional sales.
                              -They are good ratainers for members. Some have minimal advertising and do very well.
                              -Prefer multiple payment options. VISA, MC, Check, etc.
                              -Prefer people pay via their currency.


                              I am NOT looking to pay $750.00 a year for VISA per site unless there is no other way. I think that fee's excessive on softcore fetish sites who have a track record of good business (few CB, no fraud, etc, etc).
                              Should You Email Your Members?

                              Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                              Enough Said.

                              "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                              • Barefootsies
                                Choice is an Illusion
                                • Feb 2005
                                • 42635

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Nakedsword Holly
                                Contact Epoch.. Great People! Good Business and we are so happy with them! esther at paycom dot net
                                I don't work for a billing company I am just a client telling you who we like to work with!
                                Thanks for the personal recommendation!
                                Should You Email Your Members?

                                Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                Enough Said.

                                "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                • Holly Lez!
                                  She's back
                                  • Oct 2003
                                  • 3480

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                  Thanks for the personal recommendation!
                                  You are welcome! And good luck with your search
                                  [email protected]
                                  Skype: hollyruprecht

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                                  • tranza
                                    ICQ: 197-556-237
                                    • Jun 2003
                                    • 57559

                                    #18
                                    I'll be watching this thread also....
                                    I'm just a newbie.

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                                    • Just_Dave
                                      Its almost time
                                      • Dec 2002
                                      • 13009

                                      #19
                                      hit up John Thorpe from 365 Billing, here is his icq 163-365-594

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                                      • Barefootsies
                                        Choice is an Illusion
                                        • Feb 2005
                                        • 42635

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Just_Dave
                                        hit up John Thorpe from 365 Billing, here is his icq 163-365-594
                                        Will do.

                                        Much appreciation to those who've responded, posted links, and provided personal rubber stamps.

                                        Also a big thanks to textbill, and CCBill for being so informative, and jumping on this right out of the gate (via ICQ).

                                        Should You Email Your Members?

                                        Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                        Enough Said.

                                        "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                        • seeandsee
                                          Check SIG!
                                          • Mar 2006
                                          • 50945

                                          #21
                                          Use http://www.PasswordByPhone.com/?pid=pbp-12809 for WorldWide Phone billing! Not dialer, password per call.
                                          BUY MY SIG - 50$/Year

                                          Contact here

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                                          • Hinc
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Oct 2004
                                            • 2577

                                            #22
                                            textbill...never heard of those
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                                            • Dr. Wicks
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jul 2003
                                              • 419

                                              #23
                                              As the largest adult 3rd party billing company we provide a secure environment, the best support staff, and all of the tools you will need to process credit cards, debit cards, ach and 900 billing. We are not the largest for no reason. Feel free to contact me directly with any questions and I will be happy to oblige.
                                              Dr. Wicks

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                                              • Moises
                                                Registered User
                                                • Apr 2006
                                                • 69

                                                #24
                                                Barefootsies - Hit me up, my name is Moises and I'm an Account Exec over at Epoch.

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                                                • NETbilling
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                  • 8598

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Dr. Wicks
                                                  As the largest adult 3rd party billing company we provide a secure environment, the best support staff, and all of the tools you will need to process credit cards, debit cards, ach and 900 billing. We are not the largest for no reason. Feel free to contact me directly with any questions and I will be happy to oblige.
                                                  Hi Doug!

                                                  Mitch


                                                  Mitch Farber
                                                  CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                                  Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
                                                  Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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                                                  • NETbilling
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                    • 8598

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Mr. Soul
                                                    The only two I would consider as a primary 3rd party processor are Epoch and CCbill.

                                                    Netbilling if you're getting your own merchant account.
                                                    Thank you sir.

                                                    Mitch


                                                    Mitch Farber
                                                    CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                                    Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
                                                    Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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                                                    • Dr. Wicks
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                      • 419

                                                      #27
                                                      Hi Mitch! :-)
                                                      Dr. Wicks

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                                                      • beckie
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Dec 2004
                                                        • 405

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                        Beckie!!!

                                                        Hey not much. Been a busy summer. You have high speed up there yet.
                                                        No I'm still in the sticks.


                                                        No visa fee + shopping cart: paymonde (I know I said that already)
                                                        accepting checks - wts bank

                                                        Sun Designs xxx
                                                        icq - 16100431

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                                                        • Ben.Z
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                          • 1164

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by beckie
                                                          accepting checks - wts bank
                                                          Thanks Beckie!

                                                          Barefootsies, I dropped you an ICQ. Hit me back when you have some time.
                                                          Credit Card Processing for Adult Merchants

                                                          Contact me: Ben Z. (ben|AT|CardReady.com) ICQ_138827832
                                                          Toll Free: 1.888.398.6001 Ext.212

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                                                          • Barefootsies
                                                            Choice is an Illusion
                                                            • Feb 2005
                                                            • 42635

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Dr. Wicks
                                                            As the largest adult 3rd party billing company we provide a secure environment, the best support staff, and all of the tools you will need to process credit cards, debit cards, ach and 900 billing. We are not the largest for no reason. Feel free to contact me directly with any questions and I will be happy to oblige.
                                                            Danny (from CCBill) is on da case.

                                                            Originally posted by Moises
                                                            Barefootsies - Hit me up, my name is Moises and I'm an Account Exec over at Epoch.
                                                            Will do mate.

                                                            Originally posted by beckie
                                                            No I'm still in the sticks.


                                                            No visa fee + shopping cart: paymonde (I know I said that already)
                                                            accepting checks - wts bank
                                                            When are you taking me to lunch?
                                                            Should You Email Your Members?

                                                            Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                            Enough Said.

                                                            "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                            • MaDalton
                                                              I am Amazing Content!
                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                              • 39861

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Dr. Wicks
                                                              As the largest adult 3rd party billing company we provide a secure environment, the best support staff, and all of the tools you will need to process credit cards, debit cards, ach and 900 billing. We are not the largest for no reason. Feel free to contact me directly with any questions and I will be happy to oblige.

                                                              and they pay for döner kebab at 6 am

                                                              but only if no pizza is available


                                                              CCBill is great people - always my recommondation
                                                              AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003
                                                              Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites
                                                              Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you!
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                                                              • 26MLR
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Dec 2005
                                                                • 401

                                                                #32
                                                                Jettis has solutions for ACH and gateway. www.jettis.com

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                                                                • Temp1
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • May 2005
                                                                  • 180

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Dr. Wicks
                                                                  As the largest adult 3rd party billing company we provide a secure environment, the best support staff, and all of the tools you will need to process credit cards, debit cards, ach and 900 billing. We are not the largest for no reason. Feel free to contact me directly with any questions and I will be happy to oblige.
                                                                  Can't find any info on the ccbill site re: 900 billing . Any other companies that provide this?

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                                                                  • beckie
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                                    • 405

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                    When are you taking me to lunch?
                                                                    Sometime when it gets cold enough to wear shoes. I'm sure you'll be staring at my feet the whole time!!!

                                                                    Sun Designs xxx
                                                                    icq - 16100431

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                                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                      • 42635

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by beckie
                                                                      Sometime when it gets cold enough to wear shoes. I'm sure you'll be staring at my feet the whole time!!!
                                                                      That would suck. I thought you were taking me to lunch in the summer, and you were going to make sure to get your toes done ahead of time.

                                                                      Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                      Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                      Enough Said.

                                                                      "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                      • The Adult Broker
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Dec 2004
                                                                        • 5265

                                                                        #36
                                                                        http://paymonde.com , I do believe they are worth checking out!

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                                                                        • uno
                                                                          RIP Dodger. BEST.CAT.EVER
                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                          • 18450

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Check out www.infinitybilling.com

                                                                          They also do merch accounts. Tell em uno sent you and they'll probably give you a better rate.
                                                                          -uno
                                                                          icq: 111-914
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                                                                          • aico
                                                                            Moo Moo Cow
                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                            • 14748

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Go with Epoch, they have some great stuff coming in the future...

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                                                                            • DEA - banned for life
                                                                              V.I.P.
                                                                              • Nov 2004
                                                                              • 7886

                                                                              #39
                                                                              www.ibill.com

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                                                                              • directfiesta
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                • 30137

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Barefootsies

                                                                                I am NOT looking to pay $750.00 a year for VISA per site
                                                                                I believe you pay 750.00 for your corporation the first year ( not per site , you can add sites ...) , then 350.00 a year to maintain.

                                                                                It is not fun, but we have no choice ....
                                                                                I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                  • 42635

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                  I believe you pay 750.00 for your corporation the first year ( not per site , you can add sites ...) , then 350.00 a year to maintain.

                                                                                  It is not fun, but we have no choice ....
                                                                                  Yep. Actually Danny cleared this up for me. I thought it was $750.00 per site. Since I am talking about moving/changing four of them. It would be a bit hefty.

                                                                                  Danny over at CCBill cleared it up. $750.00 for your corp/business whatever for up to 30 sites I believe he had said.

                                                                                  So if you have more than one LLC (as I do) then you may need to pay that more than once, all depending on how you cut your checks, deal with financials, etc, etc.

                                                                                  While I've been lucky and not had to deal with it so much to this point, it would seem it's a nessesary evil. But.. paying it once per corp./LLC is one thing versus the rumored shit I had heard prior.



                                                                                  Again, much thanks to all who've chimed in on their recommendations, and the Billling companies, and their reps I've managed to talk to today. I have not been able to get to all of you, but for those I have, much thanks on your time for explaining things.

                                                                                  Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                  Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                  Enough Said.

                                                                                  "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                  • beckie
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                                                    • 405

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                    That would suck. I thought you were taking me to lunch in the summer, and you were going to make sure to get your toes done ahead of time.



                                                                                    Let me know the next time you're in GR and we'll have lunch.

                                                                                    Sun Designs xxx
                                                                                    icq - 16100431

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                                                                                    • 26MLR
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Dec 2005
                                                                                      • 401

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Hinc
                                                                                      textbill...never heard of those
                                                                                      They have been in business for 2 months.

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                                                                                      • 26MLR
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Dec 2005
                                                                                        • 401

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by DEA
                                                                                        go fuck yourself

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                                                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                          • 42635

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by beckie


                                                                                          Let me know the next time you're in GR and we'll have lunch.
                                                                                          Sounds like a plan.

                                                                                          Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                          Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                          Enough Said.

                                                                                          "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                          • Barefootsies
                                                                                            Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                            • Feb 2005
                                                                                            • 42635

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by 26MLR
                                                                                            They have been in business for 2 months.
                                                                                            I was simply thanking them for promptly getting ahold of me to provide information. No more. No less.

                                                                                            Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                            Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                            Enough Said.

                                                                                            "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                            • Nad
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                              • 503

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              you have been pinged.. ;-)
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                                                                                              • bizarredollars
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Mar 2006
                                                                                                • 1582

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                For your situation.. I think your own MA is the way to go.. Kimmy is the right person to hit up.. SegPay are willing to deal with celeb shit etc, but it might come and kick them in the ass at some point... Whatever, I think a merchant account is the right way to go... If KK can't help you, hit me up and I will hook you up with someone else who does not post here.

                                                                                                [email protected]
                                                                                                icq: 205-252-550

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                                                                                                • ajrocks
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                                                                  • 4526

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  hit up Dan at 365 billing. They are doing really well for us.
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                                                                                                  • Barefootsies
                                                                                                    Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                                                    • 42635

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by bizarredollars
                                                                                                    For your situation.. I think your own MA is the way to go.. Kimmy is the right person to hit up.. SegPay are willing to deal with celeb shit etc, but it might come and kick them in the ass at some point... Whatever, I think a merchant account is the right way to go... If KK can't help you, hit me up and I will hook you up with someone else who does not post here.
                                                                                                    Well I do not need a processor for the celebrity stuff. Those are taken care of. Plus I do not do any of that hardcore, sex tape business. So my grief's always been minimal.

                                                                                                    I mainly need processing for the other 4 foot sites I have. I wouldn't mind a M.A. as it would probably be the best overall long term solution. But I know little about them. I've always dealt with 3rd party for my online over the years.

                                                                                                    The main thing I've heard though with M.A.'s is you have to do a LOT of business a year/month. So that's my biggest thing is knowing the 4-1-1 on that part of it.

                                                                                                    Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                    Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                    Enough Said.

                                                                                                    "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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