Well he fucked me just as hard as they did. I can post all the icq's going back and forth failed promises. Not returning calls. I will never forget, colors dont change.

You still drinking your Jack's & cokes? Guess you're reading my replies.

what is there to read ? Are you reading mine they are not made up they are aritcles or a email.

Jan 2005 we did our soft launch at AVN. That's the first time that David K (co-founder) and I met Charles. Him leaving IBill and coming to work for XTV was right around the same time. I'm sure he didn't respond to emails, he could give a fuck about Ibill and their problems.

One more time I spoke to him on the phone he made promises,I even have his cell from that time. Do you not know how to read?

hehe, to be honest, the only reason I care is because Tony is one of my good friends, other than that I have no vested interest in either ibill or xtv...I just liek to argue about shit I know nothing about

so....here ya go

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He wasnt leaving anywhere in Feb 2005 my rep spoke to me about the new xtv project the management company was working on.

Of course I'm reading yours.

This is what I've concluded ... You got fucked by Ibill. Many people got fucked by Ibill. When XTV first started Ibill invested money into XTV. People were still pissed at Ibill AND also at XTV. Since then XTV has transformed itself into ITVN. The shares owned by Ibill have been (as reported by you) diluted to the people it owed money to ... Charles avoided you (and all other Ibill problems) on his way out of the Ibill business.

ITVN is a public company leading the way with IPTV and offers a way for affiliates to make BANK.

Check out the ratios for http://www.itvncash.com

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You missed the part about Charles talking to me on the phone saying it would be handled. Considering what your saying that is twice as creepy actually.

Also dont believe you they are separate,thats the company line I guess.

Tony,

I feel for you and your $$$ lost with iBill - just as I do for everyone else that got fucked! REALLY I DO!

However, if the guy left the company how could he help you? I know, I know you have emails and had phone calls and you feel fucked by him BUT if they guy left the company wtf COULD he do to help you after the fact?

SERIOUSLY ... what's the value of shitting on a guy that left a sinking ship?

Do you think he wanted to fuck you? Do you think he said to himself "Self, IBILL sucks and I'm fucking outta here BUT before I go, I'm going to promise to help tony404 and THEN NOT! Ha! what a sucker!"

Did he fuck people when he was running PRIVATE?

Do you think he's fucking people at ITVN?

Whether or not he "runs things" for any company he's a HIRED HAND! He left - that was the end of that!

:2 cents:

BTW - FUCK IBILL!

First off they are part of the same company and After he spoke to me he didnt leave the next day. In fact is there a formal notice Charles is no longer with ibill. The acting with integrity isn't a on again off again thing.He could of told me we will give you your rebills, he had the power to do it. No he told me to sit tight it would be handled. Thats fucking slimey especially if he knew he was going out the door.
If that behavior is acceptable to you,then you must have integrity issues also . lol

I think that's where the problem begins. Do you think the same people that own IBD own ITVN?

If so, please go do some more research ... and don't come back with "oh I found that IBD owns 10% of ITVN" ... that's already been discussed.

Let me throw you a bone ... there are two major holders, Michael and David. Neither of the two have ever owned, worked for, nor even shit on an IBD toilet. Then you?ll find institutional holders. When I say institutional I don?t mean off-shore shell corps ? I?m talking entities that control billions of $$ in funds. You?ll also find additional shareholders whose names are associated with having started ?Showtime? and ?Tomb Raider?. And then, at the bottom of the list, you?ll find IBD with less than 10%.

That?s it folks! I?m off for the night and I thank you for your interest in this thread. For those of you who joined the cash program (I?m watching the notifications roll in) please keep your eyes peeled as we roll out an array of products that?ll surely make you BIG TIME GREEN!!

here is the research http://www.interactivebranddevelopment.com/

Man it has the xtv and ibill logos together hmmmmmm. I hope they dont treat you like they treated me .A leopard doesnt change his spots.

I guess if you say so, it's so - being this is the internet and all, Tony.

:winkwink:

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think ITVN has a good product and FabianC has never lied to me as far as i know.

However, you have every right to go on this personal smear campaign. You lost a bunch of $ and i know you were fucked.

I don't begrudge you THAT!

:2 cents:

FabianC congrats

whats ibill?

You calling me a liar ? There is no advantage for me to lie. Its not smear its facts. What your on their payroll? lol

J$ has sexy hair

Ya know, it's funny that you qoute the one line with a wink on it that's not serious and ignored the rest which was.

I didn't say you were a liar.

Smearing someone doesn't mean lying.

:helpme

Stalker!

if I misunderstood you Im sorry . Im kind of worked up all the juices of anger came right back like it was yesterday.

The whole XTV/ITVN/IBILL/PENTHOUSE thing is tainted.

Face it, we've all been told lies, and have a hard time knowing what to believe.

tony, you are worked up man, and rightfully so...you are owed money man, and not a small amount either

I would be stalking anyone that was ever involved with ANYTHING ibill whatsoever

and tony, no one will EVER blame you or look down on you for anything like you have done in this thread...in fact, you have way more restraint than me..I would find addresses and phone numbers and take stalking to a new level

my take on it all, it is way easier just to not trust or do busines with anyone that was involved with or is involved with an ibill company...that way you never have to worry again

TOTALLY understand that!

:(

Like I said - I don't begrudge you THAT! You have every right to feel fucked! Believe me, i know you were.

FabianC

I know you don't think it means much, and I know you mean well and are trying to get people to become affiliates and such

but please remember this:

IBill fucked the entire industry over, and continues to do so to this day. So it does not matter if they own 100% or 1% of ITVN, the bottom line is that it is the pure principal of it all. Anything that Ibill owns or did own a part of, is trash and shit to everyone in this industry. No name change or revamping of the system will ever change that.

remember that, and please think of that every time you post. Anything Ibill was or is involved with, is garbage

You might want to take a look at ITVN's Financials.

Their SEC Filings can be found here:

ITTV SEC FILINGS

A few excerpts from the most recent Quarterly report filed in June 2006:

XTV approached me awhile back about providing my content to them, and it genuinely seems like a good technology (although not without risk). However when I looked into the company, and saw at the time that iBill owned 20% (and iBill owes me over $20,000), I filed the contract they sent me until I had time to watch and see how they would perform.

Perhaps XVN should buy them out - they seem ripe for picking (is it worth the investment Evan?). :winkwink:

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ibill stuck us for major loot. more than most companies who have posted throughout time. it is such old news and still not the reason i have no interest in acquiring a technology that many choose to develop in-house because there is no mystery to it.

I haven't really been reading this thread entirely, but this big contradiction did smack me in the face:
Which is contradicted by:
So which is it? Are they "long gone" or do they still "own less than 10%"? Because in my mind, "long gone" doesn't mean "still sticking around like a paedophillic Uncle".

didnt know the excisted :/

Interesting read.

bump for the afternoon crew