Maybe they don't have any affiliates left after all this Drama.

Had this been settled after it first happened without lawyers, both companies could have gotten some good/positive exposure from this.

hm...so when the drama started all rebills stopped?

even if affiliates left, there is still members rebilling and money owed from the last two payouts

and oh yeah, btw, there is life off the boards....there is a HUGE affiliate population that has never even looked at a webmaster board...

Come to think of it why doesn't a program that uses NATS get together with TMM and start some fake drama.

Just have TMM come on GFY and make the same statement they did about NR towards their company. Then they could come on and say

"The person you just spoke to on the phone is just someone working in our office. He should have never talked to you like that and he has been fired. We don't want unfriendly people working for our fine company. I will look into this problem with the stats personally right away. I want to make sure our affiliates get paid because we care about our affiliates and were a good fair company."

After that make another post and say

"I have looked into this problem and it seems we had an error on our end. I would like to thank TMM for pointing this out to us. All affiliates will be compensated for the short period of time this occurred. Thank god we use NATS and they caught this problem. They are really great." Oh yea don't forget to sign up to _______ before our bonus days start.

Now the program looks good because they are using NATS which is such a great program because it will catch any error or stat discrepancies. They also take care of their affiliates and this makes them look honest. Both TMM and the company look good and get some exposure.

I wasn't serious about them having no affiliates Jace.

It is kind of funny how no one has been complaining about not getting paid though. If a company left me hanging like NR did I would get my money and stop promoting them. They should have taken care of their affiliates first.

TMM cleary stated they would give them access to their stats so affiliates could get paid if lawyers were present.

This just doesn't sit right with me. Nats on one hand is like a cult leader to the webmasters saying "come with me children and you will be safe" and some sponsors feel they have no choice but to go with NATS because that is what webmasters want. End result....ONE PROGRAM (NATS) has the webmaster community and a shitload of sponsors by the balls.

You piss off Nats, and NATS will shut your program down. NATS shuts down, and pretty well cripples a shitload of sponsors in their wake. I honestly don't like to see one company have that much power :) I don't think that makes the industry safer, I think it makes it more vulnerable.

there are people complaining, just not on GFY

why single out NATS? suppose someone using MPA3 was all but caught shaving and wouldn't let MPA3 in there to check it out, you don't think MPA3 wouldn't do the same damn thing?

I singled out Nats for a couple of reasons.

1. They have pretty well destroyed a program already by shutting them down. Where they shaving? Who knows, that is for the courts to decide.

2. I have a problem with a company "outing" another company by words alone and not hard and fast evidence. If you are going to out someone. Have the *PROOF* right in the "outing".

3. I think the "outing" NATS did was far too premature. I don't like any company getting a GOD complex. I don't know the entire story (I've heard a little by both sides...but the truth is still yet to come...anyways. .....It made me wonder....did NATS out them to a) Protect the integrity of their program? b) To protect the webmaster community? c) Marketing ploy...hey webmasters...lookie here...we saved your asses (thereby making more sponsors feel pressured to go with NATS)...or d) How the fuck dare you hang up on us...do you know who the fuck we are and who the fuck you are dealing with? Now NATS says profanity was used and they were hung up on. The program said they guy was in his car...and wanted to check numbers before agreeing to pay out a large sum of money (honestly...I would want to double check and make sure NATS was right before they started giving away money)....so what was it? Nats pissed off or concerned? I don't know..don't think anyone really does...but it does concern me.

once the full story is out there, you will see that the company pretty much destroyed themselves and NATS did what anyone would have done in their shoes. there is SOOOOO much more to this story than what is on the boards, and with time everyone will see that what TMM did was necessary for the good of their company and affiliates also

50 unpaid affiiates

Maybe they just didn't have that many affiliates afterall...

yup....they did

most don't post on boards though

Read john's post. He said he would release affiliate stats and that xclusive never even tried to get theses stats.

hm..nothing from the xclusive camp as to why they aren't paying affiliates?

I have a good friend that is out a LOT of money because of this.

One thing I´m curious about is: are you as a program owner so totally dependent of the NATS crew?

I´m betatesting my paysite now using CCBill so far. If it will go public in the future NATS is an option for sure.

But I´m not such as big as reality cash for example and so I´m asking myself if it is a smart move to get dependent of another company, be it NATS or someone else.

If I get it right NATS can cancel or suspend your account which means there is no access to the account for the program owner any longer?

My question is why would TMM at leats not send them a printout or a report or something so that they CAN pay affiliates... doesn't entail giving them access, but it doesn't seem fair to me for the affiliates to get punished for something that the program allegedly did.

they have already stated that they are willing to open up the stats so that NR can pay their affiliates, NR chose to go to sue TMM instead

it is all basically in the hands of NR at this point, and they don't seem to care about paying their affiliates

hm...still nothing out of all this?

still nothing?

bump so we don't forget that a scamming company is still operating and stealing rebills from honest webmasters

Honestly, it scares the hell out of me. With all due respect to all companies involved, I think one company having a monopoly, and so much control over other companies should raise red flags to people.

I see so many webmasters say "NATS rules" and they are right, it does rule, in more ways than one. It can destroy a program and they really don't have to prove anything, all they have to do is suspend the licence. You piss them off, they can suspend you,...their program has a bug, results are scewed, they blame you, it isn't your fault, they ruin your company,

Now I am not saying NATS would ever do this, what I am saying, that any company that has the power to basically shut down 1/3 or 1/4 of all sponsor programs has more power than I personally, as a webmaster am comfortable with.

Those webmasters who use "NATS only" programs have never stopped to think, what if for some reason NATS ceased to exist...they are fuxored!

um...NATS doesn't have a monopoly, in fact there are plenty of options out there, all with the same level of control that NATS has

fact is, using any leased software has it's issues

what about CC processors like ccbill / epoch....they have access to enormous amounts of data on a minute by minute basis and could cripple a business at any moment

what makes TMM different than any other company you lease priority backend software from?

And CCBill? Paycom? Large hosts?

Do you really think it would be in our best interests to as you said, "their program has a bug, results are scewed, they blame you, it isn't your fault, they ruin your company,"?

Regarding "what if for some reason NATS ceased to exist"; as most of our clients know our source code as well as a client list is in escrow and updated monthly with our attorneys. Should we ever go out of business the source code would be distributed to our clients.

I know its fun to "bash the big guy" but please, if you do it, have some facts to back yourself up. Or at least learn a little bit about the company and the people behind it before you try to scare people from using us.

so we have no idea what is going on here ??? Thats alot of rebills to just keep ...

oh, they aren't keeping them....brandi keeps writing on her blog about how she is buying laptops, taking trips, etc....the money is funding their party lives, while affiliates are owed thousands upon thousands of dollars

Ahhh that sounds great .. At least someone is having fun with other peoples money ...

so, have any affiliates gotten paid?

Good question, Hope they don't just close up shop and not tell anybody and launch another program...Nah that would never happen they are stand up people:thumbsup

hmmmmmm, anyone remember this?

it will get real interesting..............

Alot of big sponsors are NATs ... if those fucks were not hiding something nothing like this would have happened