Serious question. Why don't more shooters open content stores? - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 08-23-2006, 09:40 AM

Not trying to spam or start a war, but seriously why don't more shooters shoot for themselves.

The rewards are slightly more than custom and the hassle is no different. I would rather have the freedom to tell a girl to take a hike, than have to shoot her because we have her ordered.

Been trawling around a few resource boards. Between the guys with nothing new for 6 months, the idiots who think shooting any girl naked will sell and the guys who never reply it was a waste of time.

So why don't the good guys shoot for themselves?

ffmihai · 08-23-2006, 09:52 AM

yep. as a buyer i think there could be more content stores.
i guess its not so easy though to shoot content and sell it.

Nubiles · 08-23-2006, 09:54 AM

Better question is why did so many of the content stores shut down.

Paul Markham · 08-23-2006, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffmihai

yep. as a buyer i think there could be more content stores.
i guess its not so easy though to shoot content and sell it.

We don't make the money some think, but a lot more than custom shooters.

MaDalton · 08-23-2006, 09:56 AM

shhhh, paul! stfu!

Paul Markham · 08-23-2006, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drunkspringbreakgirls

Better question is why did so many of the content stores shut down.

Because non exclusive is totally saturated and we are selling it hand over fist to everyone.

polish_aristocrat · 08-23-2006, 10:11 AM

do regular webmasters still buy content?

RogerV · 08-23-2006, 10:16 AM

getting ready to launch www.ContentPushers.com this week I hope..

SykkBoy · 08-23-2006, 10:17 AM

I have a bigger question
In my quest for content, I have been wondering why don't more content brokers/producers have better shopping cart systems. Some are really good and some seem almost like an afterthought. How can I give them my money when they won't let me? I've seen content stores without search features, with no prominent link to view a shopping cart, with messed up javascript errors, etc.

If someone wants to make some great $$ in this business, they should create a turnkey content shopping cart system for content producers/brokers.

Paul Markham · 08-23-2006, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

I have a bigger question
In my quest for content, I have been wondering why don't more content brokers/producers have better shopping cart systems. Some are really good and some seem almost like an afterthought. How can I give them my money when they won't let me? I've seen content stores without search features, with no prominent link to view a shopping cart, with messed up javascript errors, etc.

If someone wants to make some great $$ in this business, they should create a turnkey content shopping cart system for content producers/brokers.

Do you want great content that converts and makes you rich or an easy life?

Content producers are rarely programmers and programmers are rarely content producers.

Paul Markham · 08-23-2006, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

do regular webmasters still buy content?

The regulars ones don't.

SykkBoy · 08-23-2006, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Do you want great content that converts and makes you rich or an easy life?

Content producers are rarely programmers and programmers are rarely content producers.

Great content is a wonderful thing, but great content that I can't purchase due to a broken shopping cart is great content that I can't put on our sites ;-)

I'm not asking photographers to be programmers, just to make it easier for me to give them my money....

clicker · 08-23-2006, 12:28 PM

Would it not relate to providing 2257 to any nutbag willing to pay for it?
I often wonder how this is handled since secondary producers are suppose
to carry docs. Can someone explain the norm on how this works?

magicmike · 08-23-2006, 12:34 PM

I've had a hard time lately looking for content in certain niches aside from the DVD titles that are available.

MichaelAncher · 08-23-2006, 12:43 PM

Silly Question...Paul you know as well as I do, that it's not something you just do....Shooting content that sells demands a lot of effort...finding the girls, location, make-up artist...you name it.

Okay if you just want to shoot the neighbors daughter taking her slip of, with no make up and greasy hair...then it's easy, but if you want to provide quality content, then it's a lot of work.

By the way SykkBoy2....I have a great shopping cart that works well

Paul Markham · 08-23-2006, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

Great content is a wonderful thing, but great content that I can't purchase due to a broken shopping cart is great content that I can't put on our sites ;-)

I'm not asking photographers to be programmers, just to make it easier for me to give them my money....

I know it might sound obvious but how about just giving them a list of what you need and telling them to sort it out.

But I did email a lot and never got a reply.

Tempest · 08-23-2006, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Content producers are rarely programmers and programmers are rarely content producers.

And that's why there aren't more... Focusing on your strengths and partnering or hiring people to do what you're not good at is the way to be successful... I'd just be happier seeing more content producers selling their stuff thru places like OUnique etc...

As a buyer though, the shopping experience is a freakin pain... The "stores" need to get a hell of a lot better in regards to niches, letting buyers mark sets so they're not seen again.. or not presenting sets they've already bought etc. etc. etc. Having to sift through hundreds of crap sets to find the good ones is a waste of time and money. I've often given up which means the content store and producers are losing out on potential sales.

Webby · 08-23-2006, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Why don't more shooters open content stores?

You know as much as anyone Paul

Various reasons - they don't have the time or don't want to market to the net etc.

Producing crap for net usage is one market, - there are plenty other markets where clients pay good money for quality imaging. In adult, can think of a few guys who don't touch the net.

One operates a factory production line with carpenters constructing fresh sets, - always having three operational, and doing three shoots a day and a sales office staff selling content internationally.

The adult net biz is a niche for shooters - some work that niche, others never touch it.

Paul Markham · 08-23-2006, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magicmike

I've had a hard time lately looking for content in certain niches aside from the DVD titles that are available.

Most people can't make a living shooting major niches for the Internet, don't expect to see too much in the micro niches.

DWB · 08-23-2006, 01:18 PM

POVcontent.com coming soon....

CIVMatt · 08-23-2006, 01:56 PM

Paul,

honestly I dont know, I certainly consider myself FAR better then most shoots out there, I do mainstream work and have gone as far as to have a education in film as well. I just am afraid to sell content when I can use it myself... I have talked with other shooters about this as well and the desision between selling your images and selling a website with your own becomes a tough one to pick sides. For me personally I see mediocre shots on big paysites and think if surfers are buying that then I have to be able to build a bigger better mousetrap with better shots/poses/lighting/etc...

FTVGirls_Rob · 08-23-2006, 01:59 PM

Well I shoot for my website... and I don't have the time/energy to shoot for anyone else.

jonesy · 08-23-2006, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So why don't the good guys shoot for themselves?

a few thoughts

because theyre booked
they dont have the time or money to run another biz, photograph,film ect
they dont wanna be bothered and they just shoot for others

REßEL · 08-23-2006, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelAncher

I have a great shopping cart that works well

Only for those that have javascript enabled. I don't even see the menu when I look, no matter find the content to buy it.

SykkBoy · 08-23-2006, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I know it might sound obvious but how about just giving them a list of what you need and telling them to sort it out.

But I did email a lot and never got a reply.

There are quite a few I can do that with...there are even some I can pick up the phone and call...but like you mentioned, getting a reply can sometimes be tough if not impossible.

Paul Markham · 08-23-2006, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest

And that's why there aren't more... Focusing on your strengths and partnering or hiring people to do what you're not good at is the way to be successful... I'd just be happier seeing more content producers selling their stuff thru places like OUnique etc...

As a buyer though, the shopping experience is a freakin pain... The "stores" need to get a hell of a lot better in regards to niches, letting buyers mark sets so they're not seen again.. or not presenting sets they've already bought etc. etc. etc. Having to sift through hundreds of crap sets to find the good ones is a waste of time and money. I've often given up which means the content store and producers are losing out on potential sales.

I think you have a good reason, but as you say it does not stop them brokering it and a set brokered with 3-4 brokers can make more than a single sale. Depends on quality. We employed the programmers so we cna concentrate on shooting.

Some of the facilities you ask for might be something we could look at, marking sets as favorites for future purchase or crap to be forgotten are both excellent ideas. You are right wading through some sites is a nightmare, they boast they put up 100 sets today and I think, "So I have to wade through 99 to find the good one?"

Niches are a touchy subject with me, they simply do not sell well enough to bother with. Everyone tells me they sell to surfers like hot cakes, so why don't the buyers buy more and want to pay more?

I agree a lot of content producers are losing out on sales.

Tempest · 08-24-2006, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

marking sets as favorites for future purchase

OUnique has this which I love.. You can set up multiple carts and put different niches or whatever in the different carts and it seems to remember it forever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

or crap to be forgotten are both excellent ideas. You are right wading through some sites is a nightmare, they boast they put up 100 sets today and I think, "So I have to wade through 99 to find the good one?"

Yeah.. Or it's more like they have say 500 sets in a particular niche and you've reviewed all of them.. Then a few months later you come back to buy more and you have to wade thru all 500, including the ones you've already bought, PLUS the new sets... Freakin pain in the ass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Niches are a touchy subject with me, they simply do not sell well enough to bother with. Everyone tells me they sell to surfers like hot cakes, so why don't the buyers buy more and want to pay more?

It's all relative... Just because they sell like "hot cakes" doesn't mean they sell a shit load.. There's less traffic in those niches. Right now I'm converting about 1:40 on crap tgp traffic for a new niche site... but that might only mean a sales a day. And often, niches are revshare.. So in the case of PPS, I might only have to make 1 sale to pay for a set of content, but with the niche I'd have to make 2-3 sales. So we can't really afford to pay more... But we'd definately buy if good content was available.

AaronM · 08-24-2006, 01:58 AM

Maybe I should reopen my store one of these days.

Nah.....I'm not into giving personal model info to every idiot who passes themselves off as a webmaster.

Red Ezra · 08-24-2006, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Maybe I should reopen my store one of these days.

Nah.....I'm not into giving personal model info to every idiot who passes themselves off as a webmaster.

that is most of it for me - another reason is I have tried to do business with websites and it's a joke. most of them deserve not to get anything worth having in the first place.

08-23-2006, 09:40 AM	#1
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Serious question. Why don't more shooters open content stores? Not trying to spam or start a war, but seriously why don't more shooters shoot for themselves. The rewards are slightly more than custom and the hassle is no different. I would rather have the freedom to tell a girl to take a hike, than have to shoot her because we have her ordered. Been trawling around a few resource boards. Between the guys with nothing new for 6 months, the idiots who think shooting any girl naked will sell and the guys who never reply it was a waste of time. So why don't the good guys shoot for themselves? __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

08-23-2006, 09:52 AM	#2
ffmihai keep walking... Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,177	yep. as a buyer i think there could be more content stores. i guess its not so easy though to shoot content and sell it. __________________

08-23-2006, 09:54 AM	#3
Nubiles Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 1,496	Better question is why did so many of the content stores shut down. __________________ NUBILES.NET : Hosted galleries with thumbs and descriptions \| nn galleries \| Hosted free sites \| 3 new girls shot each week \| Icq 143674274

08-23-2006, 09:56 AM	#5
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,829	shhhh, paul! stfu! __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

08-23-2006, 10:11 AM	#7
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	do regular webmasters still buy content? __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

08-23-2006, 10:16 AM	#8
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	getting ready to launch www.ContentPushers.com this week I hope..

08-23-2006, 10:17 AM	#9
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	I have a bigger question In my quest for content, I have been wondering why don't more content brokers/producers have better shopping cart systems. Some are really good and some seem almost like an afterthought. How can I give them my money when they won't let me? I've seen content stores without search features, with no prominent link to view a shopping cart, with messed up javascript errors, etc. If someone wants to make some great $$ in this business, they should create a turnkey content shopping cart system for content producers/brokers. __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

08-23-2006, 12:28 PM	#13
clicker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Virtual Posts: 1,113	Would it not relate to providing 2257 to any nutbag willing to pay for it? I often wonder how this is handled since secondary producers are suppose to carry docs. Can someone explain the norm on how this works?

08-23-2006, 12:34 PM	#14
magicmike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: JustPorno Posts: 2,384	I've had a hard time lately looking for content in certain niches aside from the DVD titles that are available. __________________ Just Porno with both classic and mobile porn versions. Gay Porn Our mega gay site tranny porn

08-23-2006, 12:43 PM	#15
MichaelAncher Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Prague Posts: 742	Silly Question...Paul you know as well as I do, that it's not something you just do....Shooting content that sells demands a lot of effort...finding the girls, location, make-up artist...you name it. Okay if you just want to shoot the neighbors daughter taking her slip of, with no make up and greasy hair...then it's easy, but if you want to provide quality content, then it's a lot of work. By the way SykkBoy2....I have a great shopping cart that works well __________________ GlamourGirls...HQ 2257 Compliant Glamour Photo and Video Content, for Web - Mobile and TV !! Profiles: XBIZ - AdultWhosWho \| ICQ 179004915

08-23-2006, 01:18 PM	#20
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	POVcontent.com coming soon....

08-23-2006, 01:56 PM	#21
CIVMatt Amateur Pimpin Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 13,075	Paul, honestly I dont know, I certainly consider myself FAR better then most shoots out there, I do mainstream work and have gone as far as to have a education in film as well. I just am afraid to sell content when I can use it myself... I have talked with other shooters about this as well and the desision between selling your images and selling a website with your own becomes a tough one to pick sides. For me personally I see mediocre shots on big paysites and think if surfers are buying that then I have to be able to build a bigger better mousetrap with better shots/poses/lighting/etc... __________________ Make easy money with Webcams

08-23-2006, 01:59 PM	#22
FTVGirls_Rob Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 187	Well I shoot for my website... and I don't have the time/energy to shoot for anyone else.

08-24-2006, 01:58 AM	#28
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Maybe I should reopen my store one of these days. Nah.....I'm not into giving personal model info to every idiot who passes themselves off as a webmaster.