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Old 08-22-2006, 09:47 AM   #1
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Nice dbase server needed - spam me!

OK folks, I'm looking for a nice loaded server for high thruput dbase queries.
No control panel nonsense required, but scsi drives and ram are a must. Dual cores would be just sweet also.


The very best offers I've had at the moment (v. seriously thinking about it) are the following:

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P4 820 (2x2.8GHz 2MB Cache), 2GB DDR, 2 * 160GB SATA HDD, RAID1 - $99/mo. + $149 setup

Dual Xeon 2.4GHz 1MB Cache, 2GB ECC DDR, 2 * 36GB 10K DRPM SCSI HDD, RAID1 - $99/mo. + $249 setup

Dual Xeon 2.4GHz 1MB Cache,  3GB ECC DDR, 2 * 73GB SCSI  RAID1
for $99/mo ($349 setup)
They came with 1500GB b/w. (I require min. 800GB b/w/mo). Must have 100 mbit full duplex uplink port tho

Can you better any of these three deals? If so, spam me

US or EU location. Either is good.
I currently have 4 dedicated servers and have been renting servers for over 4 years - I'm in in for the long haul, so don't mind a small upfront setup cost to bring down the monthly rental.

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Old 08-22-2006, 09:49 AM   #2
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wanted to edit, but timed out - this is an unmanaged server I require (but Level1 management is essential). Please indicated any extras like KVM or remote reboot ports etc etc

Also, FreeBSD please.
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lol - from their site:
Dual Xeon 2.4ghz 2GB RAM, 120GB X 2 SATA HD w/raid - $1200/mo w/ $499 setup
OK, it's 10Mb/s, but jeeze, $1200 per month?!! Did you read my post? I can get the dual xeons for $99/mo
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Did you read my post? I can get the dual xeons for $99/mo
No, he didn't ...

He just came in to push someone, regardless ...

THe deals you actually have been offered are amazing .... Wonder why you still are searching.....
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those are nasty setup fees. hit up oc3networks. they can probably hook you up.
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No, he didn't ...

He just came in to push someone, regardless ...

THe deals you actually have been offered are amazing .... Wonder why you still are searching.....
Yes I did, but didn't bother to check quotes, or pricing info...

Just letting you know my personal experience.

SI's customer service, and reliability are hands down the best I have experienced with anyone.
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THe deals you actually have been offered are amazing .... Wonder why you still are searching.....
Because they were from tailoredservers - they seem to have been around a while, but I don't know them, so am a little reluctant to pay the setup fees if they'll be gone tomorrow. They offer a choice of three network providers tho, which is nice. Thanks tho for pointing that out - they are great offers, and I never clarified why I am erring on them!
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Yes I did, but didn't bother to check quotes, or pricing info...

No point to check that .....

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Just letting you know my personal experience.
Not what he asked ...

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SI's customer service, and reliability are hands down the best I have experienced with anyone.
probably is, as well as many other hosts. Again, the poster was asking for PRICES ....
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No point to check that .....


Not what he asked ...



probably is, as well as many other hosts. Again, the poster was asking for PRICES ....

.... ok ....

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you should check out www.swiftco.net

We have quite a few servers with them.... they don't charge any setup fee. So they have to earn our business everyday!
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Because they were from tailoredservers - they seem to have been around a while, but I don't know them, so am a little reluctant to pay the setup fees if they'll be gone tomorrow. They offer a choice of three network providers tho, which is nice. Thanks tho for pointing that out - they are great offers, and I never clarified why I am erring on them!
3 different providers? or 3 different in bgp? 3 different not multihomed means they are not running bgp and are prone to downtime....

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3 different providers? or 3 different in bgp? 3 different not multihomed means they are not running bgp and are prone to downtime....

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it was 3 network providers (HE.net, Yipes and the Planet), so I guess he's a reseller with many servers spread in different datacenters...
Don't like the idea of going through resellers though
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I checked out http://tailoredservers.com/ and wasn't able to come up with pricing anywhere near what you are posting here. Are you sure you aren't mixing up the monthly price with the setup fee?

Like on the machine you listed :
Dual Xeon 2.4GHz 1MB Cache, 2GB ECC DDR, 2 * 36GB 10K DRPM SCSI HDD, RAID1 - $99/mo. + $249 setup

The price I come up with is actually $359/mo and $199 setup.

If you are looking to get into this for the long haul, and want reliability, then don't even think of going with "cheap". Cheap ends up being just that in the end. Garbage, and a nightmare hosting experience.

If you want to consider something truly reliable, feel free to hit me up. But the price will be more then what you are listing above.

Do you own a cheap car, cheap house, cheap cloths? No? Why not? Think about it.
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It was a special posted on webhostingtalk which I negotiated down the setup costs
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=534159

actually the first dual xeon with the dual 36gb scsis has gone, but the other two can still be had
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If you are looking to get into this for the long haul, and want reliability, then don't even think of going with "cheap". Cheap ends up being just that in the end. Garbage, and a nightmare hosting experience.
That's not true at all. I have servers with EV1 since they were rackshack and with the relatively new comer layeredtech. LayeredTech are darn cheap and I have found 100% reliable. Not every cheap server can be found on the main website you know.
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That's not true at all. I have servers with EV1 since they were rackshack and with the relatively new comer layeredtech. LayeredTech are darn cheap and I have found 100% reliable. Not every cheap server can be found on the main website you know.
Yes, I understand that, and we make deals for people all the time as well. But $99 a month for a Dual Xeon / 2G / 36 SCSI box is obnoxiously cheap. Unless they are getting their equipment off Ebay or something, a 1U server with those specs is going to run at least $2K+. It would take almost 2 years just to pay the box off. Therefore zero income to the company. Something isn't right when hosts offer things that cheap.

One of the following is happening.

Used equipment
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LayeredTech is fairly inexpensive, but not $99 for a dual Xeon. We would be willing to match them, without the setup fee.

Keep in mind, LayeredTech is not multi-homed, we are.
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Nice talking to you online , hopefully we will be doing business with you in the near future.

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It was a special posted on webhostingtalk which I negotiated down the setup costs
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=534159

actually the first dual xeon with the dual 36gb scsis has gone, but the other two can still be had
Took a look at the tread. Just want to point out one thing. They enable HT (hyper threading) on any box that will support it. It is a fact that HTing on a web server will not perform as well as a box with out HTing turned on. There are bench marks to prove this.

These people obviously don't know that. I'm not one to sit around and rip other hosts, but it is clear they are amateur.
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I'd be happy to give you a quote, but if you're seriously trying to compete with $99 a month for 5mbps and the server specs you mentioned, I can't touch that. That is extremely cheap, even with no management services. For bandwidth alone that would be less than 7 cents per gb, and that hasn't configured in other expenses like hardware, space rental, etc. Makes me wonder what corners their cutting to offer those prices.

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Took a look at the tread. Just want to point out one thing. They enable HT (hyper threading) on any box that will support it. It is a fact that HTing on a web server will not perform as well as a box with out HTing turned on. There are bench marks to prove this.

These people obviously don't know that. I'm not one to sit around and rip other hosts, but it is clear they are amateur.
That depends on what kernel you are using ;)
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No one can offer a dual xeon with 5mbs bandwith for $99. If they could id take every server they have at that price, close down my hosting operation, sell all my equiptment, and host everything i have with them.

I get $299-$349 a month for 5 mbs and a dual 2.8ghz xeon ibm server, good luck in your quest
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OK, it's 10Mb/s, but jeeze, $1200 per month?!! Did you read my post? I can get the dual xeons for $99/mo
We can work out a much better cost than that. If you havent found a host contact me and we can work out a good deal.
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Yes, I understand that, and we make deals for people all the time as well. But $99 a month for a Dual Xeon / 2G / 36 SCSI box is obnoxiously cheap. Unless they are getting their equipment off Ebay or something, a 1U server with those specs is going to run at least $2K+. It would take almost 2 years just to pay the box off. Therefore zero income to the company. Something isn't right when hosts offer things that cheap.

One of the following is happening.

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LayeredTech is fairly inexpensive, but not $99 for a dual Xeon. We would be willing to match them, without the setup fee.

Keep in mind, LayeredTech is not multi-homed, we are.
Sorry TwinTone, I missed this post,

Yes, yes, I understand what you are saying, hence my post here -
I don't really care for dual xeons/opterons whatever, but dual processors/cores would be nice, since I want large threading database intensive serving, hence the ram and scsis...
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and LT is Tier1 multihomed.

Have a look at these deals http://layer0.layeredtech.com/showthread.php?t=4205

I have 2 servers with LT and after speaking with Chryl in sales this particular beauty, while sold out in the posted offer, has come back onto the table for me....
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and LT is Tier1 multihomed.

Have a look at these deals http://layer0.layeredtech.com/showthread.php?t=4205

I have 2 servers with LT and after speaking with Chryl in sales this particular beauty, while sold out in the posted offer, has come back onto the table for me....


Tier1 Bandwidth does not mean multi-homed bandwidth. Just an FYI. I don't see any indication what so ever that LT is multi-homed. Would be happy to hear from them, and have them prove me wrong.
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Dual xeons for 99/mo is very cheap. for a db server you should have a 2.8 dual xeon with a scsi drive at the very least and i am 200/mo, no set up. those are some good eals you got there. not sure of the quality, but the price is terrific.
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Tier1 Bandwidth does not mean multi-homed bandwidth. Just an FYI. I don't see any indication what so ever that LT is multi-homed. Would be happy to hear from them, and have them prove me wrong.
LT uses SAVVIS, Level3, Sprint, Time Warner, and Broadwing as ISPs.
Sounds multimhomed to me


I think I'll be going with LTs $140 dual Xeon. Seems pretty darn unbeatable
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Old 08-23-2006, 06:28 AM   #38
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LT uses SAVVIS, Level3, Sprint, Time Warner, and Broadwing as ISPs.
Sounds multimhomed to me


I think I'll be going with LTs $140 dual Xeon. Seems pretty darn unbeatable
Well all I can really go by is this. They don't own their own IP space, and a lookup on fixed orbit shows them as having a sigle provider being SAVVIS.

http://fixedorbit.com/cgi-bin/cgiip....&submit=Search
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Well all I can really go by is this. They don't own their own IP space, and a lookup on fixed orbit shows them as having a sigle provider being SAVVIS.

http://fixedorbit.com/cgi-bin/cgiip....&submit=Search
maybe he lives on the edge and likes the idea of possibly being down once in a whle
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Well all I can really go by is this. They don't own their own IP space, and a lookup on fixed orbit shows them as having a sigle provider being SAVVIS.
They don't label their own IP space since they have many private label resellers that don't want layeredtech showing up in a traceroute. Duh.

They have 2 DCs, Databank and SAVVIS. My 2 servers with LT are at teh SAVVIS DC and I've experienced around 30 minutes downtime in over 2.5 years. Now my others at EV1 are up and down like yoyos. Go figure.
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Thanks Fris - I've read a lot of great comments and reviews about softlayer, esp their tech support and rapid ticket responses. I'll be getting in contact with them to see what they can do.
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They don't label their own IP space since they have many private label resellers that don't want layeredtech showing up in a traceroute. Duh.
Then they would do a SWIP of the IP space, not give them SAVVIS IPs. If they own IP's they would have an AS number.. what is it?

Their own website is sitting on a SAVVIS IP, not their own. What would be the point of this?
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Then they would do a SWIP of the IP space, not give them SAVVIS IPs. If they own IP's they would have an AS number.. what is it?

Their own website is sitting on a SAVVIS IP, not their own. What would be the point of this?
Just like i said - If they owned the IP range and had their name on it, then everyone within that ip range would show as LAYEREDTECH-AS or something, which is not what private label reselling is about. If I do the search on my dom names, they show up as SAVVIS and not LayeredTech, which if I bought my server from a reseller, I would want (or at least the reseller would want....)
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Just like i said - If they owned the IP range and had their name on it, then everyone within that ip range would show as LAYEREDTECH-AS or something, which is not what private label reselling is about. If I do the search on my dom names, they show up as SAVVIS and not LayeredTech, which if I bought my server from a reseller, I would want (or at least the reseller would want....)
Well ALL of these "so called" hosts are resellers of LT. Not real private if you ask me.

http://cal.pl
http://rapidelitehosting.com
http://www.bkmedia-hosting.com
http://onwebusa.net
http://dedicatedplace.com
http://maxxd.org
http://unlimited-hosting.biz
http://metropc.ca

All the above are under the IP space SAVVIS has given LT.
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Actually LT has their own IP's, but don't have an AS record. Some odd stuff. So it appears SAVVIS announces all their space. But in the end, this still doesn't make them multi-homed.
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Actually LT has their own IP's, but don't have an AS record. Some odd stuff. So it appears SAVVIS announces all their space. But in the end, this still doesn't make them multi-homed.
crikey - you know your stuff. or did your homeork
Either way, all I know (and care for) is I've been with them for over two years and had no problems* - yes their white box configs have had problems, but they've bent over backwards to fix it, and then thrown in some addons to ease the slight pain. Customer support and reliable bandwidth is top priority for me.
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*no problems, except those slight caveats above
Anyway, close to breaking nice deals with two other providers, which was unexpected
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Because they were from tailoredservers - they seem to have been around a while, but I don't know them, so am a little reluctant to pay the setup fees if they'll be gone tomorrow. They offer a choice of three network providers tho, which is nice. Thanks tho for pointing that out - they are great offers, and I never clarified why I am erring on them!
someone had very bad experience with them... are you willing to pay $50 for server restart?
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