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JD · 08-22-2006, 12:10 AM

I'm thinking of moving to C.R. hows the skilled labr down there? Like designers/copy writers/etc? Is it much cheaper that US labor?

Also, what about office space, housing,medical care, the whole 9 yards?

DamageX · 08-22-2006, 12:11 AM

How about taxes?

JD · 08-22-2006, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

How about taxes?

yeah that too

CybermedAndy · 08-22-2006, 12:29 AM

I know a ton of casinos are setup down there, would assume there is plenty of cheap designers, houses, etc.

Heard nothing but awesome things about the place

JD · 08-22-2006, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MoneyBetsAndy

I know a ton of casinos are setup down there, would assume there is plenty of cheap designers, houses, etc.

Heard nothing but awesome things about the place

yeah i've heard housing is cheap, but what about the nicaragua factor? guerillas n shit

Phil · 08-22-2006, 12:53 AM

C.R. is very nice! If I didn't have family I would move in a heartbeat.

Webby · 08-22-2006, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

I'm thinking of moving to C.R. hows the skilled labr down there? Like designers/copy writers/etc? Is it much cheaper that US labor?

Also, what about office space, housing,medical care, the whole 9 yards?

The WHOLE 9 yards??

That would take ages!

OK.. First bit... skilled labor, if you are thinking IT/net related, is good. There are plenty grads being chucked out of colleges with IT/programming training. Currently, there is also around 2000 multi-lingual and computer literate people who have just became unemployed (because of the termination of the BetOnSports operation here).

Sure it's cheaper than US labor - rough monthly salaries for an experienced IT person with a degree would be around... ranging from $800 to $1500/month - tho they have to be good to get the higher end. For stuff like full-time maids and gardners - around $300 ish a month.

No biggie with office space, tho may be better with a large home and having offices within it. Medical care is on two levels - one is similar to the US, but costs are about a third. (It's the same hospital chains as in the US).

There is no taxation on net earnings and no problems pulling money into the country.

Nicaragua is no biggie and little chance any effects will overspill into Costa Rica. CR (and Panama) are nowhere like the rest of Latin America - both are stable and no problems.

Webby · 08-22-2006, 01:34 AM

Ah.. housing... Property values are increasing rapidly here, tho with variances on differing areas.

On the Pacific coast - average annual increases are tween 40-60%/year. In Central Valley (where the capital is) - it's less, but prob in the 20% range on average.

Three or four years ago - housing and land was very cheap by western standards, but changed a lot since then - and no signs of any cooling off. Basically CR is in relatively high-demand and likely to have plenty more immigrants over the next 10 years.

L-Pink · 08-22-2006, 01:40 AM

2,000 unemployed from BetOnSports? That is amazing!

Webby · 08-22-2006, 01:52 AM

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2,000 unemployed from BetOnSports? That is amazing!

Yea.. don't think that saga is finished yet L-Pink. Forgetting the US action against David, there's still a WTO investigation going on and due to report in about 8 weeks to determine what action they will be considering against the US in trade deals. Basically there has been a WTO judgement already against the legality of the Wire Act and several others which contravene WTO regulations - so time will tell.

BetOnSports also laid off another 2000 in Antigua, but their Peru, Ecuador, Mexico, Guatamala and Malaysia offices are still operating as normal.

L-Pink · 08-22-2006, 02:09 AM

Webby, is it safe to say the US gambling issue boiled down to ... Major banks lobbying for restrictions based on huge charge-backs?

Or am I off base?

fuzebox · 08-22-2006, 02:33 AM

It is extremely dangerous here, don't move.

The CR government said there are too many gringos here already and if you land they will shoot you at the airport.

Thank you and please consider another country.

Webby · 08-22-2006, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Webby, is it safe to say the US gambling issue boiled down to ... Major banks lobbying for restrictions based on huge charge-backs?

Or am I off base?

Mmmm.. don't think so L-Pink. The case against.. primarily Gary Kaplan, hate to say it, but appears it's not without foundation. He is a US citizen and has a previous record of gaming-related issues in the US (mainly New York and Florida). He was the founder of BOS and set up this corp from various jurisdictions while he was (and is still) a US citizen. That is basically illegal under US law, irrespective of where he may be operating - he is really contravening the Wire Act etc - tho a good defense may claim otherwise.

Suspect the US issue has more to do with containing US gambling - and keeping this "in-house" in Vegas and elsewhere. Think we can dump to excuses of the evils of gambling etc - doubt that is the main concern

The credit card issue is one of the items that provoked a WTO judgement a few years back. Basically the govt of Antigua, Canada and several other countries complained that the US was "inhibiting" the transfer of funds to other countries (specifically gaming regions) and that this was in violation of ratified treaties for open market trading. Since that judgement time (about 2 years back)... the WTO has given the US an opportunity to work out a deal with the complaining nations - and this negotiation crumbled about 4 months ago and the complainants terminated further meetings and requested enforcement by the WTO. WTO is currently reviewing what has happened up till now and due to report in 8 weeks.

The next stage is basically sanctions against the US - but chances are something will be worked out. Tho, only my

- it appears this is not going to be easy for the US DOJ since the claims are various domestic laws are "illegal" and think there is a bill currently being debated to make it illegal for card companies to pay on gaming debts? Who knows - but smells like a clash is on the way

There are no problems with the other card operators or with VISA in other banking regions eg - gambling is generally legal in the EU and card companies appear to be fine with that. (They prob have no choice else there would be action taken against them within the EU).

Webby · 08-22-2006, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

It is extremely dangerous here, don't move.

The CR government said there are too many gringos here already and if you land they will shoot you at the airport.

Thank you and please consider another country.

The "Costa Rica army" has taken up postions at the airport and have gringo detection devices in place designed to vaporize all gringo flesh.

Ooops... can you send a new Ambassador? Like all things Costa Rican, the vaporizer is still under testing and the Ambassador is no longer of this world

elron · 08-22-2006, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

I'm thinking of moving to C.R. hows the skilled labr down there? Like designers/copy writers/etc? Is it much cheaper that US labor?

Also, what about office space, housing,medical care, the whole 9 yards?

right , you really want us to believe that it's US GFY'ERS that you gonna ask for advicing you to move to another country .
oh well ... i've seen worse ...

Webby · 08-22-2006, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by elron

right , you really want us to believe that it's US GFY'ERS that you gonna ask for advicing you to move to another country .
oh well ... i've seen worse ...

Elron... I don't say this often to anyone, but shut the fuck up and behave.

DamageX · 08-22-2006, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by elron

right , you really want us to believe that it's US GFY'ERS that you gonna ask for advicing you to move to another country .
oh well ... i've seen worse ...

Let me guess, your mother dropped you on your head when you were a kid, right?

bu((aneer · 08-22-2006, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

I'm thinking of moving to C.R. hows the skilled labr down there? Like designers/copy writers/etc? Is it much cheaper that US labor?

Also, what about office space, housing,medical care, the whole 9 yards?

Costa Rica is a shit hole! If you go make sure you get a 4x4!

Liberia has to be the most dangerous city I have ever visited. My car got broken into 3 mins after I parked it outside Churchs Chicken.

The women stink, Jaco beach is dirty, people are unfriendly, andrains all the time. The only two positive things are Tamarindo and the Volcano.

Other than that you should forget CR, go to Tampa or Miami instead!

sperbonzo · 08-22-2006, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bu((aneer

Costa Rica is a shit hole! If you go make sure you get a 4x4!

Liberia has to be the most dangerous city I have ever visited. My car got broken into 3 mins after I parked it outside Churchs Chicken.

The women stink, Jaco beach is dirty, people are unfriendly, andrains all the time. The only two positive things are Tamarindo and the Volcano.

Other than that you should forget CR, go to Tampa or Miami instead!

ok... that HAS to be the funniest post all day!

Juilan · 08-22-2006, 06:59 AM

Take a 2 week vacation and travel around see if you like it first

KingK7 · 08-22-2006, 07:15 AM

Any good websites for checking out long term rental houses/apartments?

In which part of the country do most webmasters live down there?

fuzebox · 08-22-2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KingK7

Any good websites for checking out long term rental houses/apartments?

In which part of the country do most webmasters live down there?

If the rental house/apartment is listed on line, you're getting ripped off. The best way is too have a tico look around here for you and check the spanish sources.

Most webmasters live in San Jose (almost 2 hours from the nearest beach) mostly because of the availability of fast internet. (That is, the webmasters who have survived the brutal execution due to the overpopulation of gringos in costa rica)

DamageX · 08-22-2006, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

(That is, the webmasters who have survived the brutal execution due to the overpopulation of gringos in costa rica)

Damn, you're scaring the shit out of me!

Better brush up on my Spanish. Me no espico Ingles.

viking1 · 08-22-2006, 09:40 AM

Move to Brasil instead

JD · 08-22-2006, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

If the rental house/apartment is listed on line, you're getting ripped off. The best way is too have a tico look around here for you and check the spanish sources.

Most webmasters live in San Jose (almost 2 hours from the nearest beach) mostly because of the availability of fast internet. (That is, the webmasters who have survived the brutal execution due to the overpopulation of gringos in costa rica)

so San Jose is the place to be then eh?

hent · 08-22-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Elron... I don't say this often to anyone, but shut the fuck up and behave.

Well said.

Costa Rica is a pretty good place to live. There are things you need to get adjusted to, such as food, small inconvieniences like not many 24/7 stores, drinking 7 nights a week for less than $50 each night

WarChild · 08-22-2006, 10:59 AM

Just remember, the locals are fucking usesless and they will screw you whenever they get a chance.

How do you know a Tico's lying? His mouth is moving.

one eight · 08-22-2006, 11:21 AM

How's your spanish, Spermy?

I lived in CR all of last year, and got laid 5.47 times as much as a friend of mine that didn't speak any spanish. Even broken spanish will really change how you're perceived.

Also, the ability to dance to reggaeton music can only help. Check out San Pedro for central, inexpensive and fun places to live. Stay away from Escazu.. all the gringos that can't get laid, overpay to live there.

fuzebox · 08-22-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultSeriesCash

How's your spanish, Spermy?

I lived in CR all of last year, and got laid 5.47 times as much as a friend of mine that didn't speak any spanish. Even broken spanish will really change how you're perceived.

Also, the ability to dance to reggaeton music can only help. Check out San Pedro for central, inexpensive and fun places to live. Stay away from Escazu.. all the gringos that can't get laid, overpay to live there.

all true

Mr. Romance · 08-22-2006, 11:36 AM

good read

Mr. Romance

WarChild · 08-22-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultSeriesCash

Check out San Pedro for central, inexpensive and fun places to live. Stay away from Escazu.. all the gringos that can't get laid, overpay to live there.

Yeah, go live in some welfare neighborhood in Heredia or San Pedro, where you'll surely find a place to live for under $400. You really will get to live like a Tico, too. Free tip: Don't touch the pipes that the suicide shower head is hooked up to either.

Personally, things like hotwater, big houses, big yards and general better security are worth paying for. Escazu/Santa Ana is more expensive, but who wants to live like a Tico in the city? I mean, living at the beaches is one thing, but San Jose fucking sucks ass.

E$_manager · 08-22-2006, 11:57 AM

You have to learn Spanish. It is not difficult.
Or you already know?

JD · 08-22-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultSeriesCash

How's your spanish, Spermy?

I lived in CR all of last year, and got laid 5.47 times as much as a friend of mine that didn't speak any spanish. Even broken spanish will really change how you're perceived.

Also, the ability to dance to reggaeton music can only help. Check out San Pedro for central, inexpensive and fun places to live. Stay away from Escazu.. all the gringos that can't get laid, overpay to live there.

not too interested in the getting laid part lol I've got a lady I've been with for a little over 8 years. ;)

All though... if I move to CR she'd probably leave me LOL anyone got a link to one of those learn spanish computer programs?

Warning Pages · 08-22-2006, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

I'm thinking of moving to C.R. hows the skilled labr down there? Like designers/copy writers/etc? Is it much cheaper that US labor?

It does not matter how skilled their homegrown laborers are, no matter where you are in the world as long as your connected you will always be able to stay intouch with your www.iwebmasters.com employees. So move where ever you would like, let us be your remote infrastructure

Webby · 08-22-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

so San Jose is the place to be then eh?

San Jose itself is.. well.. a place you would never want to actually live

There are OK places outside San Jose - in fact, most of the country is fine - apart from San Jose. It's like WarChild said - Santa Ana and Escazu are two examples - both on the western outskirts of the capital. There is some truth in the fact they do not represent the real Costa Rica and are predominately North American style homes - but I like my home comforts

The best coastal area is the Pacific side and constuction there is booming (already was high previously, but last 12 months saw another 70%+ increase in construction) - if you prefer a coastline, that's got to be it, but check the availability of good cabling which varies depending on which part of the coast.

Personally, I'd stick to Central Valley and the outskirts of San Jose initially till you get time to explore the whole country. It has lots to offer and over a series of microclimates.

fuzebox · 08-22-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

on't touch the pipes that the suicide shower head is hooked up to either.

I didn't tell you that story did I?

Webby · 08-22-2006, 12:58 PM

PS The gringo vaporizer at the airport failed again this morning. They are saving up for a new part from Finland - so all gringo executions on entry to CR have been suspended - so get in quick

WarChild · 08-22-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I didn't tell you that story did I?

Yeah I'm pretty sure it was you

JD · 08-22-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

PS The gringo vaporizer at the airport failed again this morning. They are saving up for a new part from Finland - so all gringo executions on entry to CR have been suspended - so get in quick

LOL what about highspeed internet? I'd LOVE to live on the coast but only if there's decent access to high speed

Webby · 08-22-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I didn't tell you that story did I?

Ah.. the renowned suicide showers?

Could not believe it fuzebox... the maid seemed to be saying she was being electocuted when doing the laundry. I checked trying to see what she was talking about - and sure as hell, was getting shocks from the washing thingy and the dryer.

Pulled the power stuff out of the wall and the alleged electrician was obviously color blind - and connected the live to neutral and earth to whatever. Just as well it's 120volt - if it was UK voltage, there would be a vacancy for another maid

czarina · 08-22-2006, 01:08 PM

Just spen a few months living there. Not on a vacation, working, and finding your way around. It's not the same, and you may not like it as much as you think.

give it a try first.

WarChild · 08-22-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

LOL what about highspeed internet? I'd LOVE to live on the coast but only if there's decent access to high speed

There isn't. It's always "coming". Apparently Quepos has been wired for it, and Tamarindo and Coco are "coming soon". God only knows when. Jaco has high speed, but only along the strip that is the main town. Nowhere you'd live will likely have it.

So, Central Valley it is.

JD · 08-22-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

There isn't. It's always "coming". Apparently Quepos has been wired for it, and Tamarindo and Coco are "coming soon". God only knows when. Jaco has high speed, but only along the strip that is the main town. Nowhere you'd live will likely have it.

So, Central Valley it is.

damn....

Webby · 08-22-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

LOL what about highspeed internet? I'd LOVE to live on the coast but only if there's decent access to high speed

Anywhere in Central Valley is OK for net stuff - but for coastal areas, it's definately better to check any specific regions you have in mind and make sure they have decent cable. This varies a lot.

I've seen instances of running 2Mbits thru normal phone lines in some regions (and, seems to work fine!), tho they are making headway into cabling the whole country.

Got some project stuff going on at the Pacific coast, and if there is inadequate cable come crunch time - we are just going to install a satellite facility to cover all homes, but suspect there will be decent connections by that time.

The coast has a lot going for it Sperm - and a lot of investment being dumped into it. Along with that, stuff like cable etc is mandatory.

WarChild knows more about one coastal area, Quepos, which has just been wired up. WC - you around??

fuzebox · 08-22-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Ah.. the renowned suicide showers?

I had just gotten a tattoo done and didn't want to get my shoulder wet, so I had my hand up on the shower curtain rod... turned around to rinse my hair or whatever and put my hand up on the pipe with the suicide shower on the end, and I have to say that was something... My arm was sore for a couple hours after.

Webby · 08-22-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

There isn't. It's always "coming". Apparently Quepos has been wired for it, and Tamarindo and Coco are "coming soon". God only knows when. Jaco has high speed, but only along the strip that is the main town. Nowhere you'd live will likely have it.

Ah.. you replied already!

Seriously... this is going to be pressing stuff. There are folks who dumped $70mill into Tamarindo (and they are not alone), - others who are dumping $45mill in Jaco. They *need* cabling and it's peanuts in relation to their investment value - kinda pathetic it's still slow in being installed.

JD · 08-22-2006, 01:28 PM

i'm not even going to be considering a move until about a year from now so hopefully by then, there will be more improvement in the highspeed access

WarChild · 08-22-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Ah.. you replied already!

Seriously... this is going to be pressing stuff. There are folks who dumped $70mill into Tamarindo (and they are not alone), - others who are dumping $45mill in Jaco. They *need* cabling and it's peanuts in relation to their investment value - kinda pathetic it's still slow in being installed.

You have to look at it from Amnet's side though. Regardless of big dollar projects, the actual population of the these small towns is relatively small, and the customer base even less. Mostly only Gringos are going to pay $80 a month for cable internet in the costal towns.

DSL, I'm not sure about.

Webby · 08-22-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I had just gotten a tattoo done and didn't want to get my shoulder wet, so I had my hand up on the shower curtain rod... turned around to rinse my hair or whatever and put my hand up on the pipe with the suicide shower on the end, and I have to say that was something... My arm was sore for a couple hours after.

Seriously lucky the voltage is only 120 here fuzebox, else there would be a few charges of manslaughter!

fuzebox · 08-22-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

The coast has a lot going for it Sperm - and a lot of investment being dumped into it.

AKA "it will be cheaper to live on the beach in Miami"...

08-22-2006, 12:10 AM	#1
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	Operating/living in Costa Rica I'm thinking of moving to C.R. hows the skilled labr down there? Like designers/copy writers/etc? Is it much cheaper that US labor? Also, what about office space, housing,medical care, the whole 9 yards?

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Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Ah.. housing... Property values are increasing rapidly here, tho with variances on differing areas. On the Pacific coast - average annual increases are tween 40-60%/year. In Central Valley (where the capital is) - it's less, but prob in the 20% range on average. Three or four years ago - housing and land was very cheap by western standards, but changed a lot since then - and no signs of any cooling off. Basically CR is in relatively high-demand and likely to have plenty more immigrants over the next 10 years. __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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