Thank god a mature intelligent reasoning person. Yes, you should know that lethal force is ALWAYS a last resort, not the first line of defense. I can't install an alarm due to building manager's say so (although I am thinking about doing it anyway) and getting that dog (although my gal would probably kill me).

Want to feel safe, but live in a state (California) or a country (England) that has banned guns from everyone but felons? Buy a dog. Buy a gun if you want extra protection, will teach your kids gun safety so you don't have to keep it locked and unloaded and waiting half an hour for the cops to help out is not an option.

Your faithful civil servant.

I also live in a apartment & there's no security system & I'm not allowed to have a dog there, so....what other options does one have in this situation?

Doesn't matter... He had his hand over the peephole and refused to respond. Try that at my house and Mr. Mossberg will open the door up the hard way for you..

It's our constitutional right!! Enough said. We won our independence because of the right of the average man to own firearms!!

If i were you and I heard that dreaded bump in the night I would get on all fours and start barking like a dog. Ok, maybe not.

Like I said, I am thinking about just putting a security alarm in and saying fuck the security deposit. (You can't take it with you, right?)

Also buy a gun and take some safety classes otherwise, or marry a cop.

i guess i just have my doubts i'll ever run in to a situation where a gun will change the final outcome when it comes to mine or my "family"'s survival. if someone came in to steal something for drug money, they're probably not going to kill me - they probably won't have any weapon at all. if someone comes in with a gun and wants to kill me, well, i'll probably either be asleep or not there. and if i am there, i probably won't have a gun anywhere near me unless i am paranoid enough to carry it around with me in my own home (you've gotta admit, that'd be paranoia.).

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Or you could always keep your gun in a nightstand or somewhere hidden in your bedroom where it's handy...
Pretty clever, eh?! College finally paid off!

Edmonds WA? Get that Mossberg at Adventure Sports on Hwy 99? I love that place.

I have a gun next to my bed, next to my computer in my office, next to my tv in my basement. Used to have one in car but gradually became convinced that for the sake of the public safety (I have road rage) I should remove it. So now I just have an aluminum t-ball bat in the back seat.

I pray for the day the door knobs jiggle.

I also got ADT but I think of that more as an early warning system so I can get to my guns faster.

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Hello Mr. [Labret], I was just stopping by to tell you left your headlights on... o god! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO [insert gunshot here]

Ok, so you wouldn't jiggle the handle for that. But I sure wouldn't pray for someone to.

What pistols ya got? Mines a CZ 75 Compact. Soon to be replaced with a Beretta 92 and 15 round mags.

I have found in this situation that simply cocking a shotgun is enough to scare off the majority of would be intruders. There's something about the distinct sound it makes in the middle of a dark night that screams "Don't fuck with me".

I have a carry permit in my state and happy about it but a carry permit with no training is worse so better pay some bucks for good training

Man, I wish I could afford a safe with an electronic keypad big enough for one. Fun as shit to go shooting with. Way more entertainment than bowling.

Do you live inside NYC or Elsewhere, NY? Didja know a NYS permit is no good in NYC? You have to be driving through and able to prove it if you are ever carrying in the city.

Just a thought, but you are as liable for your dog, as you are your own hands. So, if a dog hears your wife screaming, and he has his back turned, he's probably going to get bit.

Dogs will get you sued faster than anything, ESPECIALLY German Shepards, Pit Bulls, Dobermans and the like, so don't think you have an easy loop hole there.

Furthermore, in the case of intruders, once you've confirmed it isn't a friend or family member, shoot to kill, and frame the scene before calling the police. If you injur, or maim, you are going to have legal problems, no doubts about it.

TarPy

If you EVER pull the trigger in self defense, whether or not you kill the guy, plan to pay for attorney's fees well into your golden years. Criminals have families too.

true...well if someone breaks into your house and hes in your bedroom while your sleeping and u have a gun right next to you i dont think you're going to sit there and think.."hrm..i wonder if i should shoot him, i may have to pay attorney fees"..shit i'd bust a cap rat a tat tat :BangBang:

Overkill, sell two and buy a holster. And maybe you shouldn't own a gun if you think your gonna be getting pissed off enuff driving to whip it out and dump a clip in someones car... even when im carrying and some dickface cuts me off the idea of reaching down and starting to shoot never crosses my mind.. altho i do get this nasty urge to drive my jeep up onto thier trunk at the next light.

Okay, I was trying to be nice before, but a few people here need a hot fucking clue on this subject. Sometimes it isn't about paranoia, it isn't about your property, it isn't even about yourself or your life.

No, sometimes it's simply about NOT allowing some fucker to take advantage of you and compromise your family and all that you care about. It's about saying <i>"FUCK YOU FUCKER, YOU SHOULD HAVE FUCKED WITH SOMEONE ELSE....TIME TO LOSE"</i> and putting the fucker out of business.

Shootout in front of your kids?? Fuckin A. Your kids will respect the fact that daddy fucking did what daddy had to do.

Lawsuit over a dog? Trust me, that criminal would think NOTHING about tossing your beloved dog a poisoned piece of meat, or shooting an innocent animal to get what his greedy ass wants.

Will he shoot your kids if they cry too loudly while he's fucking your wife and robbing you blind? ..... Why the fuck anyone would want to leave this choice up to the criminals is beyond me. People that do this, in my opinion, are more fucking nuts than the crooks.


I'm not saying everyone should own a gun. I don't own one, never have, except for the odd pellet gun. But I don't begrudge anyone the right to arm themselves for defense purposes.

I have no problems with guns.. except I was always under the impression that more people die from accidents with guns than any other reason when it comes to a gun-related death.. not sure how accurate it is, but I know one thing for sure..
why would you ever want a gun in your house when there are little kids.. you are assuming the fact one day that something bad will happen - there are other preventative measures.
like an alarm system, a dog, bat, etc. Why choose a gun?
Accidents DO happen - i think some people forget stuff like that.. but at the same time, I do agree with the Constitution, firearms are OK, but if I ever ever had a child in my home, the first thing to go would be a firearm. - this is just my opinion :winkwink:

CD.. I agree.. but why a gun..
why not a bat, golf club, etc.. - hey I would give these weapons to my kids and tell them to go free on the FUCKER and enjoy it.. BUT a gun is a different story, a gun brings death, and accidents do happen..

what if you miss the burglar when you try to shoot him, the bullet deflects and hits your kid/wife?

im all for a beating, just not a gun.. :winkwink:

does that make me a hipocrate?

What if? What if?

Here's a "what if" for you..... What if you've never had a breakin in all the years you've lived where you live. What if your neighbors have never had any either? And.... what if tonight a crook just happens to be in your area and decides to pay you a little visit?... ya, and what if he's packing heat just in case you decide to pull something stupid like a baseball bat or some shit?

What if he holds you at gunpoint, makes your wife tie you up, then he fucks your own wife right in front of you and your kids? Shall I go on? Does anyone here really fucking need me to go on??

Fuck, someone mentioned the word "paranoia".... what about the old sayings mom used to tell us kids??..... like "forewarned is fore-armed", or how about "a stitch in time saves nine"..... or this little ditty "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".

Anyone have any idea what these sayings actually fucking mean? Anyone??

More children die in swimming pools every year in the United States than they get shot. No, I'm not saying that you should feel willy-nilly having a gun with kids in the house. Like I said, I DIDN"T have one in the apartment cause I was babysitting. The point is people need to be RESPONSIBLE with them. Yes there are people who own guns who are careless with them. But there are a lot more people who are licensed drivers who should NEVER be behind the wheel. The entire city of LA comes to mind.

Yes.

Yea, I know, but at least the criminal won't have a story to tell. Sure they can sue, but who's gunna say he didn't have a knife in his hand when you shot him, other than him?


He also wouldn't think twice about taking you to court over the years of phsychiatric help that he "needs" after being bit by your terrier. And that's my point. Sometimes the real robbery takes place in the courtroom. The break your house, let your dog bite them, then their lawyers break your bank account.

One case, a guy was walking on the roof about to break in when he fell through a sky light. He sued because a sky light SHOULD hold his weight. He won, and got worker's comp, hospital bills, and pain and suffering.

Um, everyone over 65? Man I think you should have to re-test for your license every 3 years at least. I can't STAND old people that drift out of their lanes, can't park, run lights... It's really awkward because my grandfather is one of them, but it would be so much easier to let the state take it, rather than have to do it myself.

Um, that's not really a realistically large problem. I think if you take out the major wars... More people have died trying to fuck animals than have from being hit by deflected bullets. Jesus, they ain't bouncy balls.

More like a bunch of bleeding heart libral pussies who are worried that criminals have feelings too. Who really gives a shit about what theguy thinks that's breaking into your home & threatening the safety of your family.
Shoot first, ask questions later. It's better them than me....

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I dont have time to read this whole thread but all I can say is Im glad I dont live in America.

I don't know one person that owns a gun. Guns kill. Why would you want a gun? Its unbelievable how many people in America own a gun.

"What do you WANT?!"
No answer, banging, peephole obscured.

"What do you WANT?!"
No answer, banging, peephole obscured.

"I'm gonna shoot through the door!"
No answer, more banging, peephole obscured.

The gun goes click, the gun goes bang.

:BangBang: :ak47:

Sometimes shit happens and if you pick the wrong door to be a fool at well, Darwin wins and the gene pool is a little bit cleaner. I think you were justified to shoot, particularly after a warning or two. Sucks to be forced to make that decision, though...

-shane

I am going to re-iterate something for ya. What you described is reckless endagerment and possible manslaughter. There is no cause to inflict lethal force so long as the deadbolt does it's job. The problem lies where it gets broken in. Then you betcha I'm firing away.

You own a gun to protect yourself from lowlifes trying to harm you.
And coreect me if I'm wrong, but didn't violent crime dramatically rise after Australia outlawed handguns? Makes ya think now doesn't it.

First off, I am not a big dude. I am about 135lbs soaking wet. You ever try to beat a guy down with your fists? Know how hard it would be for me? How about if he had a knife? And/or he was high on crack or some other drug? My chances of surviving would be pretty slim I would wager.

Is this paranoia? Maybe. But why the hell would you need an alarm? Or an airbag in your car? Or a smoke detector?

I guarantee that you know at least one person who owns a gun, so long as it is legal in your country. They just don't TELL YOU because of the stigma associated with being a rambo wanna be.

if so not noticeably.

please post proof of that claim though.

the statistics would be interesting to see.

http://www.nrawinningteam.com/auresult.html

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%.


Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%.


Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44%. (yes, FORTY-FOUR PERCENT)


In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%!


The steady decrease in homicides-with-firearms that occurred during the previous 25 years became an increase in the last 12 months.


The steady decrease in armed-robbery-with-firearms that occurred during the previous 25 years became an increase in the last 12 months.


There has been a dramatic increase in breakins-and-assaults-of-the-elderly.


At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said "self-defense is not a reason for owning a firearm".


From 1910 to present, homicides in Australia have averaged about 1.8-per-100,000 or lower, a safe society by any standard.


The ban has destroyed Australia's standings in some international sport shooting competitions.


The membership of the Australian Sports Shooting Association has increased by 200% in response to the ban and in an attempt to organize against further controls, which are expected.


Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain why no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns". Their response has been to "wait longer".

Thanks RatBoy...I knew I read that, but I couldn't remember where... :thumbsup

Yur welcome.