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Fizzgig · 08-13-2006, 02:08 AM

Will you drop your sponsor? Would you take it as a sign that your sponsor has been shaving and is afraid of being exposed?

fris · 08-13-2006, 02:32 AM

i doubt someone would drop nats.

d00t · 08-13-2006, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Fris

i doubt someone would drop nats.

because they can't without major hastles.

it's the perfect model.

Wiggles · 08-13-2006, 02:53 AM

depends on the sponsor i suppose.

gooddomains · 08-13-2006, 03:02 AM

hmmmm, let me think about that one for a minute

DaLord · 08-13-2006, 03:10 AM

I don't like NATS one bit. It's an annoying system in my opinion.

Mike

marec · 08-13-2006, 04:21 AM

would never drop nats ...

Big_Red · 08-13-2006, 04:22 AM

i will figure this shit out.

scottybuzz · 08-13-2006, 07:43 AM

probably - yes

Satan · 08-13-2006, 07:53 AM

Nats is the best program I have tried out for Affilaite, both admin and affilaite ends of it are great. I would never drop nats

Basic_man · 08-13-2006, 07:57 AM

I'll probably stop sending them traffic !

Doctor Dre · 08-13-2006, 07:58 AM

Nobody will drop nats... way too complicated. If they do, yeah tehre is something shady goign on.

modF · 08-13-2006, 08:06 AM

I can't imagine a reason why anyone would want to drop NATS after being up an running. I have been using the program for almost 2 years now, it is well out of the infancy stage, and has improved with leaps and bounds. Even if someone wanted to go with a custom solution, it would take them a huge amount of time, money, and resources to get up to par. They might as well just have TMM do whatever customizations they desire.

So if a program switched, I'd be really curious as to why.

fris · 08-13-2006, 08:11 AM

i hear executive stats is very popular

Brujah · 08-13-2006, 08:14 AM

I have a Love/Hate relationship with Nats.

I hate clicking 100 times to get some fucking link codes.
I hate not being able to grab a list of my link codes all at once.

bigdog · 08-13-2006, 08:17 AM

If one of your worst converting sponsors was to drop nats now one might think they are up to something shady and don't want to be found out.

Damian_Maxcash · 08-13-2006, 08:27 AM

The problem is that NATS was sold and priced because it was 'unshavable' - now that has been lost can they still charge a premium for what has become just a good affiliate management system?

Now they are in a different market, with more than one player - good but shavable affiliate systems.

It would make sense for a program to move to a cheaper option now - although the hassle involved might make it more trouble than its worth.

It will be interesting to see if/when someone does move away how NATS deals with it - will they make it easy or hard for the program to make the transition?

modF · 08-13-2006, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

The problem is that NATS was sold and priced because it was 'unshavable' - now that has been lost can they still charge a premium for what has become just a good affiliate management system?

No one from TMM ever said that NATS was "unshavable", or "shave proof" they said that they will not write a module for it like other companies, and if you get caught doing it, you are fucked.

Adult Warden · 08-13-2006, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by modF

No one from TMM ever said that NATS was "unshavable", or "shave proof" they said that they will not write a module for it like other companies, and if you get caught doing it, you are fucked.

Exactly...He's been trolling all the NATS threads

Damian_Maxcash · 08-13-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by modF

No one from TMM ever said that NATS was "unshavable", or "shave proof" they said that they will not write a module for it like other companies, and if you get caught doing it, you are fucked.

Hands up affiliates who felt they where led to believe thats sponsors using NATS couldnt shave.....

It was the whole point of NATS - affiliate programs made it a major feature - "Your safe with us because we use NATS" was the catchphrase of 2005.

Damian_Maxcash · 08-13-2006, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Adult Warden

Exactly...He's been trolling all the NATS threads

Just trying to inject a little balance into an otherwise one sided debate.

bigdog · 08-13-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

Hands up affiliates who felt they where led to believe thats sponsors using NATS couldnt shave.....

It was the whole point of NATS - affiliate programs made it a major feature - "Your safe with us because we use NATS" was the catchphrase of 2005.

If you are going to shave you would have to be idot to do it through nats. I wouldn't try to shave anyone unless i had total control of the software.

Tempest · 08-13-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I hate not being able to grab a list of my link codes all at once.

I highlighted that with them a couple weeks ago and I think they're going to add an option.

fuzebox · 08-13-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I have a Love/Hate relationship with Nats.

I hate clicking 100 times to get some fucking link codes.
I hate not being able to grab a list of my link codes all at once.

NATS has the ability to do this, it is up to the sponsor program to enable it.

fuzebox · 08-13-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

Hands up affiliates who felt they where led to believe thats sponsors using NATS couldnt shave.....

It was the whole point of NATS - affiliate programs made it a major feature - "Your safe with us because we use NATS" was the catchphrase of 2005.

Anyone who thought this way is not very smart

nastymed · 08-14-2006, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

Hands up affiliates who felt they where led to believe thats sponsors using NATS couldnt shave.....

It was the whole point of NATS - affiliate programs made it a major feature - "Your safe with us because we use NATS" was the catchphrase of 2005.

so the whole question is : does a sponsor using NATS have the possibility to shave ? I thought too that it was just impossible for anyone using NATS not to report sales or change the numbers. any clear info about this would be appreciated

VicD · 08-14-2006, 06:32 AM

no, nats is not the standard

testpie · 08-14-2006, 06:41 AM

I'm fairly indifferent - most of the smaller programs seem to use NATS, whereas the larger ones seem to have custom-coded backend systems. At the end of the day, if you can't trust your sponsor not to shave, then why trust them to pay you anyway?

Brujah · 08-14-2006, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

NATS has the ability to do this, it is up to the sponsor program to enable it.

If this is correct, does NATS have an FAQ or Tips section for sponsors to be able to read about how to do this and get it done easily? I can't imagine sponsors would purposefully make it harder for affiliates to get linkcodes, etc.. and may just not know how to make it easier yet.

Phoenix · 08-14-2006, 06:52 AM

custom backends allow for greater statistical analysis plain and simple
fraud watch etc...other then that why bother, well save the money it costs to use leased software.

Nad · 08-14-2006, 08:08 AM

Does it really matter what the back end software is? I think it is more the program that you have to worry about not the software... most people like to cater the software to their own personal likings... regardless if it is nats, es, mpa3, affiliatetracking, x3....

TheSenator · 08-14-2006, 08:17 AM

People not using NATS might as well kiss a good percentage of webmasters away.

XxXotic · 08-14-2006, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

Hands up affiliates who felt they where led to believe thats sponsors using NATS couldnt shave.....

It was the whole point of NATS - affiliate programs made it a major feature - "Your safe with us because we use NATS" was the catchphrase of 2005.

Hands up morons who think anything is shave proof.

It doesnt matter how many bells and whistles you add to thwart shit like that, people can/will ALWAYS find a way to rip people off if that's what they intend to do. You seriously can't be THAT naive?

Damian_Maxcash · 08-14-2006, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by XxXotic

Hands up morons who think anything is shave proof.

It doesnt matter how many bells and whistles you add to thwart shit like that, people can/will ALWAYS find a way to rip people off if that's what they intend to do. You seriously can't be THAT naive?

I didnt say anywhere I ever believed it - I said affiliates "where led to believe" - after a few years seeing the antics on here do you really think I could be "that naive"?

but I bet more than a few affiliates where - and it was sold to them on that basis.

Snuzzlebunnies · 08-14-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

If this is correct, does NATS have an FAQ or Tips section for sponsors to be able to read about how to do this and get it done easily? I can't imagine sponsors would purposefully make it harder for affiliates to get linkcodes, etc.. and may just not know how to make it easier yet.

kb.toomuchmedia.com/idx/77/330/How_to/article/Listing_link_codes_for_all_programs_and_sites.html

vvq · 08-14-2006, 04:27 PM

Switching from NATS to something else would be far more trouble than it's worth.

JD · 08-14-2006, 04:33 PM

i wonder why BBO/ND use custom...........

uno · 08-14-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

The problem is that NATS was sold and priced because it was 'unshavable' - now that has been lost can they still charge a premium for what has become just a good affiliate management system?

Now they are in a different market, with more than one player - good but shavable affiliate systems.

It would make sense for a program to move to a cheaper option now - although the hassle involved might make it more trouble than its worth.

It will be interesting to see if/when someone does move away how NATS deals with it - will they make it easy or hard for the program to make the transition?

They have NEVER claimed to be 'unshavable'.

uno · 08-14-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

Hands up affiliates who felt they where led to believe thats sponsors using NATS couldnt shave.....

It was the whole point of NATS - affiliate programs made it a major feature - "Your safe with us because we use NATS" was the catchphrase of 2005.

Just because enough people believe something is true or spread misinformation does not make it true. Except on Wikiality/.

Anyway... That is just good, positive marketing. If people hype it beyond the claims of the company itself, its not the fault of NATS.

andrej_NDC · 08-14-2006, 05:08 PM

There are programs who dropped NATS and switched to a different system. Nothing special at all, not everyone has to like it, there are more affiliate systems out there.

andrej_NDC · 08-14-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

i wonder why BBO/ND use custom...........

They don't.

Brujah · 08-14-2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Snuzzlebunnies

kb.toomuchmedia.com/idx/77/330/How_to/article/Listing_link_codes_for_all_programs_and_sites.html

Does that output show the link codes in a seperate (form) 'input' per linkcode? That makes it difficult to copy/paste more than one at a time.

If not, great. Can you tell me a sponsor using this so I can take a look at the results?

JD · 08-14-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

They don't.

the wtf do they use? X3 or whatever? I've not seen another program using a similar setup before

andrej_NDC · 08-15-2006, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

the wtf do they use? X3 or whatever? I've not seen another program using a similar setup before

Yes, X3

08-13-2006, 02:08 AM	#1
Fizzgig Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: In Your Dreams Posts: 9,649	If your sponsor drops NATS now Will you drop your sponsor? Would you take it as a sign that your sponsor has been shaving and is afraid of being exposed? __________________ ---'-,-{@ Sassy Grrrl @}-'-,---

08-13-2006, 02:32 AM	#2
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,372	i doubt someone would drop nats. __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

08-13-2006, 02:53 AM	#4
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08-13-2006, 03:02 AM	#5
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08-13-2006, 03:10 AM	#6
DaLord Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 3,318	I don't like NATS one bit. It's an annoying system in my opinion. Mike

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08-13-2006, 08:06 AM	#13
modF Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,888	I can't imagine a reason why anyone would want to drop NATS after being up an running. I have been using the program for almost 2 years now, it is well out of the infancy stage, and has improved with leaps and bounds. Even if someone wanted to go with a custom solution, it would take them a huge amount of time, money, and resources to get up to par. They might as well just have TMM do whatever customizations they desire. So if a program switched, I'd be really curious as to why. __________________ I do things skype:themodF

08-13-2006, 08:11 AM	#14
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Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	I have a Love/Hate relationship with Nats. I hate clicking 100 times to get some fucking link codes. I hate not being able to grab a list of my link codes all at once. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

08-13-2006, 08:17 AM	#16
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	If one of your worst converting sponsors was to drop nats now one might think they are up to something shady and don't want to be found out.

08-13-2006, 08:27 AM	#17
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08-14-2006, 06:32 AM	#27
VicD ICQ: 304-611-162 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Masterdam Posts: 13,245	no, nats is not the standard

08-14-2006, 06:41 AM	#28
testpie Mostly retired Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,231	I'm fairly indifferent - most of the smaller programs seem to use NATS, whereas the larger ones seem to have custom-coded backend systems. At the end of the day, if you can't trust your sponsor not to shave, then why trust them to pay you anyway? __________________ Affiliates: DogFart ~ Domain parking: NameDrive ~ Traffic broker: Traffic Holder

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08-14-2006, 08:08 AM	#31
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JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	i wonder why BBO/ND use custom...........

08-14-2006, 05:08 PM	#40
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	There are programs who dropped NATS and switched to a different system. Nothing special at all, not everyone has to like it, there are more affiliate systems out there.