damn, thats shady business

who cares what he owns, I'm not worried unless somehow the software is diverting traffic to him, and it doesn't so this thread sucks!

John created an affiliate program to run his affiliate programs... People liked his program and asked that he make it available to other affiliate programs.

Being the kind guy he is he allowed all of us to have his same gun and his same ammo... He could have said no and went on with his life. He was doing great and made lots of money but he decided to help out everyone else.

You bought NATS or lease it on your own without anyone strong arming you. If you didn't know he runs affiliate programs you must be a complete shithead. I mean you really must have NO CLUE... His fucking nick here is PBucksJohn... What did you think the PBucks meant?

The only people who seem to have a problem with it are the people who forgot that John shares his affiliate program with them because they wanted it. Usually they are the same people that fuck people over because they don't want to get fucked over first. They do horable in all of their relationships...

The real reason you didn't post this under your own nick is because you are affraid we will stop promoting your sorry paranoid ass!

This thread is useless.

If you don't like NATS don't use them, there's nothing in this thread that makes them look shady one bit.

the guy can poke around in everyone elses programs.
see stats, traffic sources etc etc.

and since he's a competitor, i dont see how that can be a good thing.

I'm just passing by.....

This is the weirdest thread.. :helpme

well, as they say, if you don't like it, don't buy it. If you have NATS and have been living with your head up your ass and never knew these things, switch to another piece of software... I don't see the dilema here *shrugz*

Yeah I did I double take too

NATS rulez now see sig

John owning another 2 programs is a bad thing?

Hell, I think it's a good thing. I think it makes NATS that much better of a product.

And it would be found out very quickly and would be the end of NATS / TMM.

Many NATS admin's are IP restricted. The NATS owner can lock us out of their install by not giving us a username/password if they want.

There are server logs that would show it.

Emails are mostly seeded by program owners.

If affiliates were hit up they would talk.

This industry has lots of ears. I would never access someone's data for my own benefit. If I did it would be known very quickly.

I have been in the industry since 1996. I have owend paysites for a long time, long before NATS was started, and as I said before I can't just close them down. The vast majority of TMM's revenue is reinvested right back into it.

Nothing has ever been done secretly. I am in the open about what I own and most of the industry and nearly all if not all of our clients know this. They trust us. 100s of programs large and small. I think that speaks much louder than an anonymous person posting public whois info on a subject everyone already knows about.

I <3 Nats

How many people here realize that John made a very nice living for himself long before the existence of NATS?

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

No shit sherlock.. DUH!!

I can't believe this idiot didn't know that John owns TeenDolls , lol

I am 100% convinced the vast majority really are truly clueless.

Wow... what news... Next thing you know, He'll let us all know that the owner of Adult.com owns GFY as well!

Who gives a shit?

I swear 90% of these drama threads are started for sig spots

not if he posted under a proxy - hopefullyhe was smart enough to do this

Which brings me to the question. Am I too late for one? :winkwink:

If John divested of his paysites, do you think it would help him in the long term build NATS?

take a look at this thread... obviously hes not the smartes cookie in the jar... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

ya no kidding :(

Gogobar has carved himself out a niche in the business and conducts himself very professional.

How many companies do you know of that set up a booth at Internext classroom style? That presentation was worth my entire Vegas trip otherwise the rest of the show floor was an entire wash.

Find a better axe to grind.
That dog aint hunting here.

Now that's not like he was hiding it or something. And if he started to sneak up into the affiliate programs admins and tried to steal affiliates, it wouldn't take too long before the word got out.

ok face the facts... if you use any leased software that is priced based on the # of sales you get, the company that leases it to you will always know how your biz is doing. get a clue.

Nuh uh no way! The next thing you are going to tell me is that Playboy is in on it too!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

It stopped amazing me a couple years ago. I guess when you get a lot of surfers together and some "webmasters" god only knows the shit that will come out of their mouth.

I doubt there is more then 10% of the people who post here that make more then $2,000 a week. I bet 1/2 the people here dont even make more then $500 a month from adult.


I guess the guy who started this thread wouldn't want to be an affiliate either, Affiliate site owner would know the same info about your traffic and could use it on their own sites themselves or worse, tell their other affiliates which of their sites convert the best. :winkwink:

How do they see traffic sources ???? please explain this to me.

If i sent SE traffic from an ad word to my site, www.site.com/123 and i use nats how will he know it came from search engine. I am not familar with nats setup, is that possible ???? or did you mean to say he knows which pages/promos/content converts the best ?

Nothing against John or NATS, but if the person making the post is genuinely concerned then let him ask his questions. It's apparent that a few others were concerned about it too.

Will76, how about you just shut up about shit you know nothing about then?

NATS would have access to which affiliates are whales, how they get traffic, what's converting for them, keywords used in the referrering url's from major search engines or ppc campaigns, etc..

That's not to say that they're using that data, but they CAN access it if they're so inclined.

I thought PB was still going strong. I guess I'm just out of the loop or something.

I knew and i'm a big fan of teen dolls:)

Dickhead not only am i entitled to my comments but I just signed up to NATS so :321GFY

Someone (i think it was duke but am too lazy to go back and check) already posted the reason why this thread really is a waste of bandwidth. It boils down to trust...if you don't trust your affiliate system you shouldn't be using it. period. Busting John's nuts for something that is common knowlegde just makes the person starting this thread look stupid....it's no wonder he posted under a fake nic.

just my $0.02

No one is forcing anyone to use NATS. What's the fucking point of this thread???

To answer your question, yes some keyword searches do show up very clearly in server stats.

Exactly, but I thought I'd respond to you like you were responding to others. You suggest that the amount of money they make determines whether or not they can express a concern. I think this will end up benefitting John and NATS because his previous post in #63 will probably alleviate a lot of the concerns this poster had, and others who will be lurking but feel more comfortable about NATS now. :2 cents:

Understood, but see my previous post too bro.. affiliates might have had some concerns too but may not now that some of the points were addressed. If not for this thread, they may not have been addressed and may have given pause to either affiliates or potential NATS customers.

man i bet he doesn't own a program for sure. just want to stir some shit against john. pussy! :Oh crap

you raise a valid point dude..i am just old fashioned...if you have a problem you deal with it in private...not in public.

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No I suggest in general, that there are a lot of people people on this site who are surfers or claim to be "webmasters" who just post for drama, or to stir shit, or because they are board and not here to make money.

Those comments where not even in regards to the people posting in the thread but for the board as a whole. I wasn't even singling anyone out but responding to John by the way and I also asked someone else a question, that was it. Not sure where you going with this or what point you are trying to make.

You're a fucking pussy

Needs repeating

Wouldn't affiliates be concerned sending traffic to any affiliate company then. NATS would be 1 extra person in addition to the affiliate company that would have access to some info, true. But unless you advertise your own sites and take payment by check in the mail, always going to have someone having access to your data in some form or fashion. Shit even then you better host your own sites, lol.

so if they sent the keyword search traffic to their own page which linked to the NATS program they would have nothing to worry about, It would only be if they used thier AFF code on the traffic source it self, correct ?

Just to make this clear again, although it was said multiple times.

We do not HAVE TO HAVE access to your system. We install NATS 95% of the time (meaning, not always) and at that point have an admin login to the NATS install. That login can be deleted, disabled, banned, blocked, or edited by the owner of NATS. On top of that NATS can be IP Protected so it would be impossible for us to get in.

Server SSH Data is never kept by us for security reasons. Ask our clients, many LOVE (sarcasm) the fact we ask them for login info every single time they have a problem and we need to take a look.

The only reason we log into NATS installs is to do upgrades of the version or to look at and fix problems the owner has.

100 shady shits :helpme