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This is probably even a better definition than I had originally.

I'm not saying that what Israel does is the right way of doing it. Unlike you, I don't know how to solve such complicated and long-lasting world crisis. But I'm simply saying that Israel doesn't want to kill innocent people and terrorists do!

Tell me what those 5 nations are. If I find a 6th one - would you concide that you do not have correct facts and therefore correct opinion on this situation?

Waiting for the first 5....

You will wait a long time - and, you are prob correct in that there may be six.

The sematics have little to do with the core issue - they never did have.

I think we're all pooped out on this issue at this point. I'm glad we have this meaningless discussion though. Truely. Even though I stay on my point of view - it is still good to hear the opposite point of view too. Also, I'm going to watch that movie that someone put a link to in the beginning of a discussion.

Thank you, gentelmen!

A pleasure my man :thumbsup Good news is, a ceasefire is generally holding - least for this moment.

I dont know who you are but I just LOVE your sig LMAO. Best one since the 'centipedes in my vagina' one :thumbsup

by the foregoing definition then Bin Laden was never a terrorist since he only attacked military/diplomatic corps, and denied 9/11

Where the fuck did you get your sig? :1orglaugh

Right on Bud:thumbsup

Of cource there are more civilian casualties on the lebanese side, because hezbollah conducts their battles in populated areas. The number of israeli civilian casualties would be much higher if the israeli army would hide among civilians.:upsidedow

If Israel withdrawals from southern Lebanon without expanding their border, including the 20 miles from the Shebaa farms to the Latini river, and returns sovereignty to Lebanese troops, I will be amazed, and relieved. Originally I suspected that they were simply trying to sucker a UN force to occupy southern Lebanon up to the Latini river, a valuable resource for Israel, and fight Hezbollah for them, because of how costly it was for them the last time they tried. Over time they'd force the Lebanese out and then eventually annex it. If they do hand this land back to Lebanon without an attempt at annexation or expansion it will go a long way towards legitimizing their claims of self defense.

On the other hand, if American troops (amongst others) end up in Lebanon getting killed by Hezbollah, I'm going to be right pissed off, and I'm sure I won't be alone in this country. It will be time to start electing representatives who are prepared to re-examine our new policy of total and unwavering support for all Israeli actions. We've always supported Israel but we used to try to find middle ground.

They're still bombing in Gaza today. Let's not forget, despite the media's best attempt to make us, that this war began in Gaza. As long as there is violence there, I seriously doubt there is going to be any kind of lasting peace. Israel is still committed to killing the Palestinian authorities legitimately elected government.

Of course, if Seymour Hersh is right, this is all just a pretext for a war with Iran, in which case all bets are off. The big question there is, are the American people going to let the group of criminals and propagandists in the government and media sucker us in to another war, based on lies and exaggerated threats, in the exact same way in which we let them sucker us in to the disastrous and regretful Iraq war?

bwahah what a stupid comment .. israel doesnt hide its military among civilian population ?

its military IS its civilian population..

So high level IDF members dont live at home ? do they have no families ?

Any military age male civilian in israel is just as much a "future IDF" as a military age male in lebanon is "future hezbollah"

the fact you cant see this OBVIOUS correaltion shows your slanted.


its simple math a chimp could do..

better army better weapons = higher civilian casualty lower military casualty
shitty weapons , shitty training = lower civilian casualty higher military casualty

Please explain in what kind of fantasy land logic you figure that people supposedly AIMING at civilians seem to kill LESS civilians and more military than the people supposedly AIMING at only the military..

Actually it's because Israel has planes and tanks. All militaries have targets located in civilian populations. Bases, armoires, weapons factories, communications facilities, command centers, etc, etc. Saying that Hezbollah is only justified in attacking the advancing Israeli military is equivalent to saying that Israel is only justified in attacking the Hezbollah soldiers as they are firing rockets at Israel. Clearly that is far from what they are doing. Also, don't forget that military aged men who do and do not serve in the military all live in civilian populations, on all sides,

If you gave the Lebanese the Israeli air force, navy, and artillery, and gave Israel Hezbollah's rockets and AK-47s, the war would be the exact same, only reversed. Exact same death tolls, exact same damage, only reversed. Nearly ten thousand sorties dropping bombs aimed at populated cities combined with a large and constant artillery attack does a lot more damage than 3300 rockets fired fairly randomly. That is the reason why there is the difference in casualties. Israel has more weapons and is capable of inflicting more damage.

shit, I should have read this post before I bothered posting that last one. Exactly right.

I don't know how you managed to figure out I have a solution from what I posted, you must have a very good imagination.
But we could see that from your statement about Israel not wanting to kill innocent people :1orglaugh

If they don't want to kill innocent people why do they blow up their cars? why do they blow up whole neighbourhoods to kill one guy?
They know that the guy they want will be at some one place, they also know that there will be a lot of civilians, they don't care about the civilians so they just blow them up alongside the guy they want to kill. To me that is them killing innocent people, including women and children on purpose...

that guy is 100% right, but the propaganda that many people around here get from their society, starting at their birth, has severely damaged or even shut down their ability to look at certain things objectively.

good video

Looks like there is a push to get an advance UN troop support team in there ASAP to add to the few 1000 already there, tho the whole UN force may take up to three months to get into place. Sooner the better - least they have a bit more bite than under the previous resolution.

In the background there are the usual claims of "victory" - like anyone had a victory, - and recriminations on the Israeli leadership, but, suppose that's nothing in comparison to death and destruction.

Who knows what's going on in folks minds, but smell Hezbollah will, at most, be a minor problem as long as there is progress towards removing troops from occupied territories and release of all 9000.. whatever they want to call them - "prisoners" from Israeli jails.

Smell you are correct Mr S in that it's also important all other nations stay the hell out of this scenario. Both Israel and Lebanon govt's have enough to do to try and patch up the damaged caused by this "incident". Unfortunately there are going to be some *very* angry and revengeful people when they recover from the fact their families and homes have been wiped out. Last thing they need is more bullshit from external sources.

UN have a major relief operation started, tho still getting blocked from ports by Israeli forces - but that will stop :-) It's one sad disaster area when ya think of down to an individual level and where basic stuff like patients in hospitals hanging on for power to survive the next day, - but suppose they are the lucky one's so far by that fact that they are still alive.

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and wuld not be surprised if others did it before me too:321GFY

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