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08-13-2006, 01:59 PM

Foie gras is banned in a LOT of places already. The process to get them big enough is just wrong.

Some other foods are baned like crude milk cheezes at a lot of different palces

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08-13-2006, 02:05 PM

dig420, there's so much emotion in your post.

So... killing a creature in a humane fashion is different from torturing it before you kill it?

A dead creature is still dead.

I really don't think godisdead is advocating the extreme, excruciating, drawn out, <heart wrenching adjective>, <appeal to your emotions adjective>, <tear jerker adjective>, <terrifying adjective> killing as much as he's arguing against the precident it sets.

If you know law, you know precidents hold a massive fuck ton of weight.

That's the issue.
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08-13-2006, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Defiance

dig420, there's so much emotion in your post.

So... killing a creature in a humane fashion is different from torturing it before you kill it?

A dead creature is still dead.

I really don't think godisdead is advocating the extreme, excruciating, drawn out, <heart wrenching adjective>, <appeal to your emotions adjective>, <tear jerker adjective>, <terrifying adjective> killing as much as he's arguing against the precident it sets.

If you know law, you know precidents hold a massive fuck ton of weight.

That's the issue.

Precedents DO hold a ton weight, and the precedent for this case was set in 1911.

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08-13-2006, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Defiance

dig420, there's so much emotion in your post.

So... killing a creature in a humane fashion is different from torturing it before you kill it?

Shooting an animal in the head is no different to you than say.. pulling it's legs off, gouging out it's eyes and then skinning it alive before you eat it?

moron.
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08-13-2006, 02:17 PM

Is the end result any different?

The precedent was set in 1011, but did anyone really care about it? Not really. It was never made an issue. Now it is. Now it gets used as leverage. Then the question becomes, "What's next?". The media can do a lot of things. Snowballs can start growing out of nowhere. Again, before this whole Chicago thing I don't really think people gave a crap. Obviously not if it's been kosher since 1911. Fact of the matter is... it's in the spotlight now. And that raises questions. Opens up opportunities.

The animal is DEAD. Dead is dead. Get that through your skull. Dead is dead.

A quick and merciful death is a lot better than a long and drawn out one... but the outcome is exactly the same.

In your mind you've already got me painted as this horrible creature torturing monster... I really don't care for it.

However I understand that a dead creature is a dead creature, no matter how much pain it goes through.

Stop thinking with your emotions.
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08-13-2006, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Defiance

Is the end result any different?

The precedent was set in 1011, but did anyone really care about it? Not really. It was never made an issue. Now it is. Now it gets used as leverage. Then the question becomes, "What's next?". The media can do a lot of things. Snowballs can start growing out of nowhere. Again, before this whole Chicago thing I don't really think people gave a crap. Obviously not if it's been kosher since 1911. Fact of the matter is... it's in the spotlight now. And that raises questions. Opens up opportunities.

The animal is DEAD. Dead is dead. Get that through your skull. Dead is dead.

A quick and merciful death is a lot better than a long and drawn out one... but the outcome is exactly the same.

In your mind you've already got me painted as this horrible creature torturing monster... I really don't care for it.

However I understand that a dead creature is a dead creature, no matter how much pain it goes through.

Stop thinking with your emotions.

well I hope you personally never have the chance to discover firsthand that there IS a difference between a humane and quick euthanization and a long, drawn out and painful death.

Karma's a bitch though. You might have it coming.

"However I understand that a dead creature is a dead creature, no matter how much pain it goes through."

Truly a deeply stupid statement.

"In your mind you've already got me painted as this horrible creature torturing monster... I really don't care for it."

Then maybe you should quit trying to defend torturing creatures. Dumbass.

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08-13-2006, 02:26 PM

Yeah, it's crazy what they do to produce Foie Gras.

But banning it is just too much...

I'm just a newbie.
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#38

08-13-2006, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by dig420

no DUMBASS, this isn't about your personal freedom, it's about cruelty to animals PERIOD. NO you do not have a right to be as cruel as you wish to any living creature you wish simply because you have the ability and inclination to be cruel.
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The goal of making Foie Gras is to get the fatty liver. It's not that people do it to torture animals. And it is about my personal freedom. I don't give a fuck about Foie Gras. Never eaten it and probably never will. If it wasn't I would be on your side. But in this issue I just see my personal freedom at stake and fear that it's sacrificed to some vegan nutcase.

The final step is claiming that anything beyond bread and water is a delicacy. That's my problem. The end result of this is sacrificing human well-being for animals. That's why I am opposing this. I went to a great length to explain this to you. (The stuff you summarized as blah blah)

But if you are so blinded by your emotions, I can't help you.

Oh, and thanks Defiance for explaining my point.

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#39

08-13-2006, 02:31 PM

Oy... I've run into enough people who argue like you do.

I didn't even know what Foie Gras was until today.

Just keep your "awwww, poor <insert>" laws away from my chickens, pigs, cows and oxen and I'm cool.
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08-13-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by dig420

Eating pigs is legal, and is accomplished, to the best of my knowledge, as humanely as we can practically accomplish it.

The best of your knowledge is quite inadequate, it appears. The typical pig whose meat you find on your plate will have been taken away from its mother at 2 weeks old. After that it will have had its tail cut off, its ears ripped, its balls chopped off and have had part of its teeth ripped off (all without painkillers, of course). Most of its life it will have spent in a crate so small it wasn't even able to turn around, with no sunlight or fresh food ever. Nearing the end, it will have been violently forced into a truck, transported for hours or even days, and will have come out with about a large chance of being severely wounded or crippled (or, in many thousands of cases, dead). Finally, it will have been slaughtered, quite likely without proper stunning (and thus rather painfully). Possibly, it has survived, and has only died when it was submerged in scalding water (to soften the skin).

Yeah, eating pigs is much, much better

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08-13-2006, 02:36 PM

who gives a fuck what the goal of torturing something is? Getting your little taste buds stimulated makes torturing an animal ok somehow?

Here's a fucking clue for you: torturing farm animals was first outlawed in Jamestown in 16 fucking 41. That's how long most americans have understood that torturing animals for your pleasure is wrong. Congratulations on being a less enlightened human being than most 17th century folk.

Fucking amazing, we haven't banned bread and water yet huh? Of course, laws against animal cruelty have only been around for 400 yrs of so, gotta give it time. What a good argument you pro-animal cruelty types put up. So well reasoned.
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08-13-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Libertine

The best of your knowledge is quite inadequate, it appears. The typical pig whose meat you find on your plate will have been taken away from its mother at 2 weeks old. After that it will have had its tail cut off, its ears ripped, its balls chopped off and have had part of its teeth ripped off (all without painkillers, of course). Most of its life it will have spent in a crate so small it wasn't even able to turn around, with no sunlight or fresh food ever. Nearing the end, it will have been violently forced into a truck, transported for hours or even days, and will have come out with about a large chance of being severely wounded or crippled (or, in many thousands of cases, dead). Finally, it will have been slaughtered, quite likely without proper stunning (and thus rather painfully). Possibly, it has survived, and has only died when it was submerged in scalding water (to soften the skin).

Yeah, eating pigs is much, much better

you want a list of all the humane slaughter laws we have on the books or will you just admit you're an idiot and go away right now? We do the best we can with stock animals, and that's all we can do. What we're talking about here is deliberate, unnecessary cruelty. Too dumb to understand that? Do us all a favor and shut the hell up.
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08-13-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by godisdead

Oh, and thanks Defiance for explaining my point.

It's a good thing I don't have any pets... I'm sure the Humane Society would be knocking on my door any moment now because I'm just that awful.
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08-13-2006, 02:40 PM

lib·er·tine ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-tn)
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One who acts without moral restraint; a dissolute person.

yeah you're a real winner alright. A prize human being. The perfect person to make this argument.
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08-13-2006, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Defiance

It's a good thing I don't have any pets...

finally, we agree on something.
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