who gives a fuck what the goal of torturing something is? Getting your little taste buds stimulated makes torturing an animal ok somehow?

Here's a fucking clue for you: torturing farm animals was first outlawed in Jamestown in 16 fucking 41. That's how long most americans have understood that torturing animals for your pleasure is wrong. Congratulations on being a less enlightened human being than most 17th century folk.


Fucking amazing, we haven't banned bread and water yet huh? Of course, laws against animal cruelty have only been around for 400 yrs of so, gotta give it time. What a good argument you pro-animal cruelty types put up. So well reasoned.

you want a list of all the humane slaughter laws we have on the books or will you just admit you're an idiot and go away right now? We do the best we can with stock animals, and that's all we can do. What we're talking about here is deliberate, unnecessary cruelty. Too dumb to understand that? Do us all a favor and shut the hell up.

:thumbsup

It's a good thing I don't have any pets... I'm sure the Humane Society would be knocking on my door any moment now because I'm just that awful.

:disgust

lib·er·tine ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-tn)
n.
One who acts without moral restraint; a dissolute person.

yeah you're a real winner alright. A prize human being. The perfect person to make this argument.

finally, we agree on something.

:1orglaugh

Now I remember why I love browsing GFY.

Whether it works against me in my day to day, or I just spot it coming out of the mouth of others; irony always makes me laugh.

yes, because you're obviously soooo intelligent. So superior.

Don't you have a dog kicking schedule to stick to? Better hop to it, genius.

Oh shit, that's right!

Hmm... the dogs in my neighborhood are suffering from internal injuries and the cats are all extinct (they're the perfect shape for setting new distance records... I got a little over-enthused)... but you did mention you have pets, right?

I don't suppose you've got one about the size of a football?

When forum warriors get too loud, I go find other things to do.

Have a great day, and say hello to your pets for me.










... or not... I'll see them soon enough anyway.

i knew there was a reason i don't eat swine....:Oh crap

I've got one about the size of a Pit Bull that I would just LOVE to introduce you to.

http://dig420.com/me/bustercar.jpg

you wanna come give him a kick?

Please give me a reason why torturing animals is wrong. That's all I was asking for. All I got was "You're a murderer, moron, etc." and now "People outlawed it once, so it must be right" again combined with the moron- "argument".

There are terrific arguments for human rights. But I haven't found one for animals. Please enlighten me.

It would be fun. You get to torture an animal and we can test your painful death = humane death theory at the same time.

If I have to do that, you're not worth the keystrokes it would take to explain it. Go fucking die.

So you can't explain it. Damnit. I hoped someone could. :disgust

It's more like this: If you don't know already, you're not capable of learning it. It's called simple compassion and decency. If your daddy didn't teach it to you, it's too late for me to help you.

Frankly, I would consider shooting myself in your place. Your life must be a cold and empty thing.

No, we don't do "the best we can". Ever heard of factory farming? Do some research, and you'll likely find out some rather disconcerting information. It isn't all as clean and humane and nice as you imagine it to be.

Factory farming is deliberate cruelty that is "necessary" for large profits. Force-feeding geese for foie gras is exactly the same. It's just that foie gras is not a mainstream food, and while people would riot if the pork at Walmart suddenly became thrice as expensive, they do not particularly care if foie gras is banned.

Since you went through the trouble of looking up the meaning of my nickname in the dictionary, here's another word you might want to look up: hypocrisy

Oh, I can assure you that it's not. But I just like to have reasons for things.

I'm not for torturing animals. I don't like to see them hurt. It hurts me just like you to see that pic of the force-fed duck. Shit, I even have a dog that I care for. Torturing animals for the very "fun of doing it" is wrong and sick. I agree with you completely there. But if it happens in the process of the creation of food or medicine, I don't see an argument against it. That's all. If you have one, I'm all ears.

Vive la France! Vive le Foie Gras! :frenchman

And your point is that because animals get hurt during slaughter, we should legalize all cruelty to animals? I bet you're a republican who calls himself a libertarian or some shit like that. I also bet you don't need to look up the meaning of hypocrisy, as it's ingrained in all of you.

Let me use small words, read them very slowly to help your comprehension - I mean 'to help you know what they mean'.. sorry for the big word.

We have laws concerning slaughter practices. We follow them the best we can. The fact that we are carnivores does not give us a license to torture for frivolous reasons. The fact that some pigs don't get knocked out as quickly as they should does not make beating animals to make the meat tender, for example, ok.

Get it? Because if you don't, you're not smart enough to participate in this discussion. Drop the slaughtering argument. It's no good.

like I said bro.. if you need someone to explain why torturing animals is wrong, you're past help. Just shoot yourself.

There's a difference between KILLING an animal for food or medicine, and TORTURING one for your dining pleasure. Are you really so slow witted that you don't understand this very basic difference, or are you just pretending to be because you feel like being an asshole?

Oh, be certain that animals are tortured to a high degree for medicine and food, too. But both animal food and new medicine are a convenience and not a necessity, right? Where do you draw the line? Do we need eggs for breakfast? No. So let's stop torturing the chickens for them.
Do we need a juicy T-bone steak? No. So let's stop torturing the cattle.
As far as I can see, this would simply be a matter of degree, not of principle. If I'm wrong, tell me. Where would you draw the line, and most importantly: Why?

Now you're trying to compare eating eggs with eating Foie Gras. Your arguments are stupid to the point of parody.

Like I said - it's already too late for you. I hope the next animal you torture bites your throat out.

Oh come on! We're almost there. Where is the difference? I've seen how these chickens are treated. It may not be as bad as the Foie Grad treatment, but it sure is like hell to the chicken. If you have the reason, why are you hiding it?

Cavemen did not have foie gras!

Only morons extend human traits to animals. The birds are going to be eaten one way or another.

Foie Gras is tasty. Looking foward to eating some this weekend in New Orleans.

There are laws concerning the treatment of chickens. Eggs are a staple of our diet. Omelets are not foie gras. A chicken laying eggs is not a goose with a metal tube down it's throat being force fed twice it's body weight in grain.

Now how much simpler can I make it before you understand?

Animal cruelty and stupidity go hand in hand. It's easy to make you look like an idiot, but you're too dumb to realize it when it's happening, so you just refuse to shut up and lord knows you'll never make a change in your own opinion after consideration.

I'm done with you, ok? You're a dumbass degenerate, you're satisfied with that, and all I can really say about people like you is that I hope our society reaches a point one day where we can identify you before birth and just weed you out of the gene pool.

maybe you can answer this for me Mike: Why are conservatives always arguing for the right to torture animals?

Let me start of by saying that I am in fact not a republican (I'm actually in favour of a form of social liberalism somewhat similar to that of John Rawls, as described in A Theory of Justice, but I doubt you have any idea what that even means). I am also, at present, a vegetarian. (And no, I don't need to look up the meaning of hypocrisy, but that's just because, unlike you, I did finish high school.)

Now, it seems clear you didn't quite understand my argument, so let me reiterate it in a form that may be easier to understand for the likes of you. The laws we currently have concerning animal welfare are inadequate, and perpetuate a system which thrives on animal suffering. The bulk of this suffering is caused by mainstream, large scale factory farming, which is a fundamental part of contemporary meat production. Yet, in terms of animal cruelty, it is on par with such practices as force-feeding geese and clubbing baby seals to death for their fur.
For some odd reason, however, the bulk of public attention goes to these relatively uncommon practices, rather than the much more widespread animal suffering caused by factory farming. So, instead of focusing on the obvious huge problems to which people contribute directly through their own actions, they focus on the much smaller problems caused by the actions of a few.

That, my mentally challenged friend, is hypocrisy. An army of pots rioting over the blackness of a dozen kettles.

I was with you thru all your posts... untill this pic. What's with that collar with the spikes turned inwards? That is unneeded cruelty aswell (can't control a pitbull with a normal collar? Buy a chiuaua)

I have a BA in poli sci you fucking retard, so flaunt your pseudo intelligence elsewhere.

It is NOT 'on a par' with force feeding geese. We are omnivores, it's natural for us to eat meat. It's our responsibility as empathetic creatures to accomplish our dietary chore as humanely as possible. I salute you for your vegetarianism, I think it's admirable, but I don't feel guilty for eating meat. I just want it killed and brought to the table as painlessly as possible.

Of course MikeAI and most conservatives take a perverted joy in flaunting how much they don't care how much the animal is hurt. They think it's pretty funny and it makes them feel like real men. YOU, on the other hand, should know better.

the spikes are blunt, and they're the only way he can be controlled if another dog gets too close to him. Believe me, he barely even feels it.

If you have a Pit Bull or any other large dog with the potential to be aggressive, your FIRST responsibility is to make sure he's under control in public at all times.

although i personally dont have a soft spot for animals, i can easily see a distinction between what most would be considered "cruel and inhumane" in producing food for mass consumption and "cuel and inhumane" in producing a delicacy.

It's a simple distinction, and most of these guys are pretending not to get it. At least I hope they're pretending. Otherwise they're pretty fucking stupid.

with that being said..this thread is closed:)

no it's not. The fact that we eat animals doesn't mean we can torture them all we like, and that's basically what he's saying here.

Okay. I would explain it to you, but you certainly have issues here. If you don't want to listen, I can't help you. I'm sorry I wasted my time here.

And if you think that hurting animals to provide for human well-being is bad even though you can't explain why, yet believe in eugenics to enforce your views, I'm done too.

Radicals who can't back their views with a reason always have to resort to force.

oh, and here's a picture of a chicken from a laying battery. It must have been like paradise for the chicken. And every person with an egg-allergy can testify that eggs are a necessary staple of our diet.

http://www.menschen-tiere-werte.de/i...iere/herta.jpg

i think he was saying how factory farming of animals goes under the radar but how this cause an outcry (foie gras)...i could be wrong..

This makes no sense at all.

Cochran: Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Chef's attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote "Stinky Britches" ten years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
Gerald Broflovski: Dammit!
Chef: What?
Gerald: He's using the Chewbacca Defense!
Cochran: Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

it doesn't go under the radar. animal rights people constantly protest against how chickens, cows and other animals are raised and slaughtered about furs and other issues they are concerned with. but again... whether anyone agrees with it or not, whether anyone cares about the feelings of the chicken or not or the comfort of each chicken as they wait to become food... people need chicken. the world needs chicken. the world needs countless metric tons of chicken meat. the world does not need foie gras.

This is really something your mother should have taught you a long time ago, but I'll give it a shot:

'you don't like it when people hurt YOU, do you? Now, how do you think it makes little Susie feel when you pull her hair? Not very good right? You don't want anyone to pull YOUR hair like that right? Well Susie feels the same way!'

slightly more advanced: Animals have consciousness, nerve endings, five senses, the capacity for suffering etc. As a human being with supposedly evolved thought processes, it should be a simple matter for you to understand that you don't make other creatures suffer unnecessarily. If you have the basic and necessary trait of empathy, you can see that being force-fed your own body weight several times daily is extremely unpleasant, therefore you do not subject another creature to that, especially for bullshit and self-indulgent reasons. We eat meat, therefore animals have to die to provide it. We DON'T require foie gras for a balanced diet, and animals suffer horribly to provide it. Can't see the problem with this equation? Too bad for you, because it means you're missing something in your basic make-up, and it's probably genetic. The GOOD thing is that most people don't have this problem, therefore we're on the verge of outlawing foie gras permanently just like we did bullbaiting.

yeah sure there are alot more things awfully wrong in the way we threat farmaninamals (the battery-chickens, the way veal is kept white, etc etc) but atleast the is some progress. It's not because there are millions of women being beat almost to deadth every day that you don't need to interfere when you neighbour is beating his wife.