By 2020 we will all be just a number in computer,lol

Oooook...

Yappo.

Sick - the future totalitarian society is already possible. Now they just need us to willing accept it. Guess we are in for alot of future kidnappings (honey, we better chip all the kids and us due to the sickos out there) :(

Freedom is under attack.

I would not be surprised :2 cents:

When I was in kindergarten they came in and fingerprinted us all with the lost child reasoning.

You still didn't explain how is it bad and how does it affect freedom, you are only crying. Please tell me already.

There are a ton of kids moved around between countries on passports that don't belong to them. In the UK you hear frequently about kids moved between here and parts of Africa on passports that are another child's passport. A fingerprint will make that harder.

Then you have the poor kid whose body was found floating in the Thames and turned out to be a kid that was brought in from Africa and then was slain because they thought he was a devil. He had lived in Germany for a while - as it turns out - but they had to do a huge search to try to find out who he was. If living in Germany had meant he needed a passport with his finger prints on it in order to move around it would have been a lot easier to identify him.

Of course there are abuses that could take place and there are ways around the fingerprints inorder to move kids around illegally but atleast it makes it a bit harder.

hmm - i see ethics here. but i see this solving many problems in the future in solving crimes

but real crimes, they will just burn their fingerprints of.

The point of fingerprints in passports is to make the passporte more secure, a fingerprint is way better than a signiture. Its not to track you or shit like that, it is to identify you along with your passport.

The reason 6 year olds would get fingerprinted too is if you want your KID to travel beyond europe they need a passport, starting with the age of 6 they need their own, and all passports have fingerprints thus those do also.

Not such a big deal really.

Ah the trust in the authorities as evidenced by this comment and others.

So I will pick one case as it is big in the UK at the moment

"Scotland appointed three experts to examine the way fingerprints are collected and used in court after a case of mistaken identity involving a local policewoman raised questions worldwide over the practice.

Shirley McKie was awarded 750,000 pounds ($1.3 million) in compensation last February, seven years after being acquitted of perjury when fingerprint evidence allegedly connecting her to a murder scene was discredited in court."

Fingerprint analysis is not an exact science but a matter of interpretation. Experts can disagree on whether prints are a match or not and standards for matching prints varies from country to country.

The case above involved an innocent woman with her prints in a database being wrongly accused. The experts involved still refuse to accept that they were wrong and it also begs the question how many other people are, and have been, wrongly accused but their case ignored.

The collation of information by Govt's is an age old desire as evidenced by the doomsday book in 1085 in England. Its purpose was to calculate how much tax people should pay and to make sure everyone paid. People feared such intrusion then and we too should be equally suspicious whenever ideas proposing collation of info on the population is proposed.

Lets first agree on what freedom is.

Freedom in its true form have probably not existed in the last 5000+ years or longer. This is the time, when humans have been living with rulers. So it would be mindless to discussion freedom as it was an "black or white" issue - instead it is grey, which is also why each generation keep trying to redefine it - the day we drop the rulers, then we might have a chance at living free in its true meaning.

Our freedom is shades of grey, and some are pushing for darker shades thinking it will make their life better, while others wish to have lighter shades. I belong to the lighter shades of grey.

Now to the fingerprint.

A fingerprint is an identifier, which is a permanently part of your physical body. Its not like a name or a social security number, which you can change. By giving your fingerprint to the goverments of the world, then you are giving them a physical part of you, so they can identify you... in essence you are going from being a human identified by words, to be a human identified by physical marks... this is an advantage for those who wish to control you, because your words can no longer fool them. Your words have been devaluated. Your choices will be less.

So, you are probably sitting there and are thinking "but I do not lie, so I would never need to fool them", but that is not the point. The point is that you are no longer in control - your physical body much like the body of a farm animal is now the most important thing when controlling you.

When creating a totalitarian system, then you have to kill individualism :2 cents:

i have nothing to hide. what should i be afraid of?

The authorities making mistakes (see my previous post)...

...actually no fuck it I have better things to do than argue with wankers!:thumbsup

well, by your previous post the authorities make mistakes even w/o this.
so whats the fuss about ?

Control.

When you was born, then you got a numbered birth certificate, before a name. A citizenship, which made you property of a country, and not your parents. Your goverment paid childhood education was for the most time boring, and unintresting making your search for knowledge confined to the often one way mediacore media outlets surrending you. Before you was old enough to sign for a loan, then your goverment had already borrowed and spend billions with your future tax payments as collateral.

When you got to vote, then once every 4th year you was presented wth different political observations, which were more like different flavours and colors to the same substance. When you found a partner you wished to marry, then it was only "official", after the goverment approved it. The baby you had, you could only keep, if the goverment thought you were worthy.

You will get jobs or prehaps own companies, which product is exchanged into money. Money which is often digits on a computer screeen, with no real physical value backing it - we just agree on its value. Your biggest expenses (tax, interest, energy and food) are not in a free market - they are fixed, with you having zero control. You will most likely work, and be satisfed with the small things in life, and accept that one day your time is up - prehaps even seeing death as a relief.

When you die a last tax return is filled, and a death certificate is made. Your name will live on for 2-3 generations in your close family, and then you are forgotten.

Your entire life from when you was born to your grave is already planned... sure you can go broke, or prehaps strike rich, but bottomline every step you take, someone have already planned what is going to happen. You are as free as a mouse in a labyrinth.

Control is what keeps you in the labyrinth :pimp

They are brainwashing you I see. If I was a kidnapper I would just cut the kids fingers off.

I couldnt care less. I dont remember how old I was when I first put my fingerprint on my id, but 6 would be as good as 12.

and if you were trying to move them through an airport they might just notice a kid without fingers

But if they had a implated microchip, then the system would always know where the kids are - no matter how many fingers are cut off. :helpme

WAKE UP!

Terrorism, kidnappings etc. are all used to take freedom away...

yea, so go fight for it and stop posting on gfy

So, you see no possible benefits of this? Allowing kids to travel with out their own passport was the first thing that had to change to stop them being removed from the country. Now that they need their own passports those passports have to be the same as everyone else.

Yes, I understand the potential for abuse but I do see how it can help aswell.

Hehehe... if you love your life, and your goverment, then I can see how my post made you think I was a conspiracy nut... sorry that I fucked your comfort zone :)

Sorry, you must have mistaken me with a sheep :1orglaugh

Like I wrote in this post, then we are giving up way more than we receive. Its actual a far bigger step, then going from fingerprint to lets say dna sample. We are forever changing how we are looked at as humans.

We can find 100s of other things, which kills more people than terrorism. Fngerprinting kids will not stop crimes. Our world will NOT be more safe. And people who suggest these things know it. So they will come back and ask for more :2 cents:

If the idea is to use them to help identify them later if they are missing and found, then it is a good Idea, but tooo many people will abuse the system.