whoa aint that some shit

The cell phone could be very significant and far beyond petty larceny, since if he called ccBill clients that were stored in it, while working on behalf of Paycom, that might buttress ccBill's claims.

Many employment agreements stipulate that client data is the property of the employer. Continuing to access that info in the form of stored phone numbers and possibly more (since sophisticated phones contain related database info far beyond phone numbers) could prove sticky and make Curran's case trickier than usual.

Corporate intrigue...

ADG Webmaster

it happens

happens between lotsa companies, I had those rules as well long ago - you just know its gonna go to court if you do

I personally find this heartbreaking. Everyone knows I'm a strong CCBill supporter, and that support includes Patrick. I hate it when my friends fight! I hope this can all be resolved soon in a professional and amicable way.

Steve Lightspeed

CCBill Repsonse to AVNOnline Article
 

Tempe, Arizona ? August 4, 2006 ? Today, AVN Online reported that CCBill is suing Paycom and its former employee, Patrick Curran. The truth is that management at Paycom, CCBill?s largest and most direct competitor, has apparently decided to compete with CCBill through corporate raids and attempts to mine CCBill?s trade secrets, rather than by offering superior products and pricing to the marketplace. CCBill was shocked to learn that two former CCBill employees, Patrick Curran and David Salonic, have departed for Paycom, and in Curran?s case without notice, taking with them knowledge of client lists and other valuable information, which they may be disclosing unlawfully to Paycom. Promptly upon Curran?s exit, Paycom launched litigation, suing CCBill in California. Paycom claims a non-existent legal right to receive CCBill?s high level employees and obtain CCBill?s confidential information with impunity. CCBill is attempting to protect itself from Paycom?s newly aggressive tactics.

CCBill, as do most successful companies today, takes all legal and appropriate steps to protect its business assets including its intellectual property, confidential information, trade secrets and competitive advantages. One of the mechanisms that companies employ to provide that protection is a written agreement with the employees that in essence says that for a period of time after leaving the company the employee agrees not to go to work with a competitor. Another is an agreement to not divulge any Company information to anyone outside the Company. With that stated, in the past 2 weeks, two of CCBill?s senior managers have chosen to violate their signed commitment to the Company and accept employment with Paycom.

CCBill advised Paycom immediately of the existence of the employment agreements which these individuals had signed. Rather than support CCBill?s right to prevent employees from taking Company confidential information to competitors, Paycom chose to race to the courthouse to file suit against CCBill. Thus, CCBill has taken legal action and responded appropriately.

CCBill recognizes that this response is a shift from their normal policy of not responding to rumors and innuendos, but believes it is important for the industry to know that CCBill is here for the long haul, and as always has done the right thing to protect its business and that of its clients.

see sig, this is getting interesting

not really....

Customer lists? Its only the two of you guys most of the big fish have both or know who the players are its not like its a big secret, you just got to the join page. lol Also why dont dont we have direct deposit yet,it would beat paying for postage. If your customers are as important you say its what most of them want.

sorry for the spelling errors , laptop on my lap lol . I love ccbill but want my direct deposit lol

certainly there must be more to the story - why did the 2 top management people leave in the first place?

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yeap, this is not good at all..:(

Great idea dude.:thumbsup

Didn't know that Paycom initiated the first suit...

AVN needs to dig deeper.

This is gonna be expensive $$$

ADG Webmaster

wow this could either be huge, or end up not a big deal. I am having a hard time picking a side, because not all of the facts are out there yet.

Gee CCBill needs to forget suing paycom and implement direct deposit


thats my two cents...

Just make sure my wire keeps coming on time...

We were extremely disappointed with CCBill's mischaracterization of the facts and attempt to disparage Paycom's stellar reputation. There has been no corporate raiding. Paycom merely accomodated the requests of 2 employees looking to make a lifestyle change.

While their former employer tried to shackle them with onerous covenants not to compete legal counsel has determined that they are clearly unenforceable both in California and Arizona as the legal proceedings will confirm. Paycom has no interest in, or need for, any trade secrets. Paycom already knows all the players in the industry and our innovative technology such as the launch of our venture with MPA3 has no use for anything that CCBill has to offer. In compliance with applicable law, Paycom believes that every employee has a right to work wherever they want and when approached by talent such as Patrick Curran and David Salonic we are not willing to let draconian restraints on a person's right to work get in our way.

We believe that the best way to keep an employee is to have a great atmosphere, great product and a great company. We frankly cannot understand what it is that CCBill is really afraid of? Competition?

The Epoch Family

you almost sound like a lawyer

too bad this whole thing is only going to make a few lawyers more wealthy :( and waste a lot of time of the good minds in both companies - it would be nice if all of this energy on both sides went to better ratios, features and developing more solid and innovative solutions for the upcoming years ahead of everyone

With all due respect Rand, I would bet that Epoch would react similarly if two of its senior managers left abruptly for CCBill.

Epoch and CCBill are both great companies. Both companies would be attractive places to work. If Epoch doesn't need Patrick's inside knowledge of CCBill and its operations, then why didn't Epoch choose the high ground and avoid hiring from your biggest competitor? Isn't that the ethical thing to do?

Surely you knew this would start a battle between companies. You must get dozens of qualified resumes weekly. So, in your own words, WHAT ARE YOU REALLY AFRAID OF?

Steve Lightspeed

Very interesting!

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theres more to this than stealing trade secrets.. its personal

just my humble observation

So is this the official "ok" for Epochs employees to seek employment at CCBill without fear of legal repercussions? Epoch won't try to enforce any non-compete contracts or restrictions? IMO, this is an ugly can of worms that you are opening here.

Well, their non-compete contracts are probably different. It's lawyers opinions and such.

As an affiliate who likes both parties, get it settled folks. Thanks :)

The stability of our industry is at stake here and terms like "corporate raid" are hinting at things that we don't know are going on behind the scenes.

As far as processing we mainly have Epoch, CCBill and Verotel. Is there really so little money to go around that things have to go this route?

I can't help but to think that greed & power is involved here where it clearly isn't necessary.

We are a small industry and we all know that not playing well with others can ruin a companies reputation. :2 cents:

Why does someone need Patrick to see the CCBILL info?

Just hire a hacker...

can't we all just get along?

Damn, Paycom playing dirty? LOLOL, nice. :thumbsup Forget all the ethical bullshit. :pimp

After all we are all in adult...

95% of the women in the videos you all shoot are fucked up douche bags on their last leg and doing the shoot for $300... oops, meant to say $180 after the "manager" takes his cut...

holy cow!!!

lol dont expect a reply on this

lol.. ofcourse you know who the players are, i think everyone knows this. I was trying to set up Epoch and you had the guts to tell me at Internext in Las Vegas that if I didnt process 50K per month through you (you have no clue what I own and process) , you had no time to talk to me.. No wonder you need the pro's from CC bill to get shit done.. I am still waiting for my email that was promissed the last time I mentioned this in a thread.

Not to mention your rep jerked me around for 3 days and have me come back to your booth at least 8 times. It really left me with a bad taste in my mouth after this BS. Plus after seeing me 8 times the dude still couldn't say my name correctly even though he could have just taken it from my badge.. :2 cents:

Can you tell I am frustrated with you and your "Family".. ?

I hope this can be settled out of court.

What I wonder is why did you wasted more time with them after beeing treated like shit...

Hoping for an answer on things and at first I didn't let my personal feelings get in the way of maybe a good business oportunity.

thats cool,:)lol

You may have just set a disastrous precedence for your employees, don't they read this board?

Rand, you should consider working for CCBill, I bet they would take good care of you. :)

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