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a $25 PPS... is it really that bad ?

08-03-2006, 04:13 PM

Hi guys is a $25 PPS such a bad thing ? I know it aint top dollar, but I am only a small programme... and for me PPS is an experiment...

I wanted to offer it to affialites as a option... I understand some programmes pay more... but I am trying... so is it really that bad ?

I have also agreed to pay for chargebacks and refunds... there is a disclaimer to guard against fraud on this... but my point is for a small programme I think I am pushing the boat out to affilaites...

OK the reason I gripe is a running little troll I have on another board flammed me... just wondering if i am out of order ?

My good business sense tells me to run this for a bit, if it does well then up the payout... surely that is sensible ?

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08-03-2006, 04:16 PM

I'm sure some webmasters would take higher conversions over lower pps payout

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08-03-2006, 04:18 PM

Not always. I used to make a great return from a $25 PPS program. It was an Ebony program, can't remember the name offhand. It either shut down or was sold about a year or two ago. Very few people promoted it, but I converted a couple of their sites at around 1:80 unique clicks, by MY count, consistantly.

What the fuck was the name of that program. Son of a bitch, this is going to bother me. If I can't think of it I'll have to go dig through old check stubs.

Anyway, I don't think $25 per join is unreasonable, especially if the program has no traffic leaks, no email collection boxes, few popups, no cross sales, etc. However, this was a pretty good program that went out of business, so, hard to say if you could make it work. A lot of naive affiliates see nothing but the payout per join rates and the stupid prizes.
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08-03-2006, 04:22 PM

Its a great thing if the sites convert good... a lot better than a site paying 50$ and doesnt convert.
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08-03-2006, 04:31 PM

Thanks Guys...

As I say its not the best out there... but tryign to make it work

I will try and bump it a bit more when I know how its working out... but as yoou say its more important the site converts first

Hope to do some business with you guys

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08-03-2006, 04:50 PM

if you don't shave
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08-03-2006, 04:54 PM

Ah Spanno...

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if you don't shave

If I didnt shave I would have a big beard, and you wouldnt recognise me when we meet up in London

And no shaving in the terms you mean it... my RevShare and PPS are run by CCBill... so no possibility of that

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08-03-2006, 04:58 PM

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And no shaving in the terms you mean it... my RevShare and PPS are run by CCBill... so no possibility of that

Just because it's CCbill doesn't mean anything. I would bet several people on this board could name more than one program that has traffic leaks, or other shady stuff, including links that send surfers right back through CCbill with their own codes.
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08-03-2006, 05:01 PM

For a program that converts and doesn't shave that is not bad at all.

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08-03-2006, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by LiveDose

For a program that converts and doesn't shave that is not bad at all.

We need more of these. So $25 a pop aint bad at all

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08-03-2006, 05:07 PM

My best converting program pays $25 PPS. I earn three times as much with it as with the second best program that pays $40 PPS, on exactly same traffic. Make your own conclusions.

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08-03-2006, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by LiveDose

For a program that converts and doesn't shave that is not bad at all.

Yeeah i think so. We do $25 per sale. We don't shave and we convert good.
but that depends of your membership cost though. I think it's pretty fair when you got console free tour.

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08-03-2006, 05:08 PM

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08-03-2006, 05:10 PM

It's very hard to compete at $25 PPS.
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08-03-2006, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by BigPimpCash

Hi guys is a $25 PPS such a bad thing ? I know it aint top dollar, but I am only a small programme... and for me PPS is an experiment...

I wanted to offer it to affialites as a option... I understand some programmes pay more... but I am trying... so is it really that bad ?

I have also agreed to pay for chargebacks and refunds... there is a disclaimer to guard against fraud on this... but my point is for a small programme I think I am pushing the boat out to affilaites...

OK the reason I gripe is a running little troll I have on another board flammed me... just wondering if i am out of order ?

My good business sense tells me to run this for a bit, if it does well then up the payout... surely that is sensible ?

It's a prefect option for everyone who makes more at $25 PPS than they do at $40 PPS. It's not really what you payout per sale, but how big the checks are at the end of the period.
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08-03-2006, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies

It's very hard to compete at $25 PPS.

I guess realitycash is not competing then?

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08-03-2006, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Shoehorn!

It's a prefect option for everyone who makes more at $25 PPS than they do at $40 PPS. It's not really what you payout per sale, but how big the checks are at the end of the period.

what he said.

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08-03-2006, 05:14 PM

bottom line is how much money I make with a program on a given amount of traffic. If it coverts twice as good $25 is the same as $50 somewhere else
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08-03-2006, 06:28 PM

It's all about the paycheck. I have made more money on some $25 PPS than on $35, $40 and even $75 per signup.

I think it's about how good a webmaster thinks your site would sell.
I used one sponsor for years that didn't pay shit! It was a 50/50 partner program with a $9.00 membership. So I only got $4.50 a sign up; but it converted all the time and had more conversions than other 50/50 programs with cheap trials that didn't rebill.

So it was like get 50 signups at $4.50(total=$225+rebills) or get 10 signups for a $2.95 trial and only 3 converted to recur for $15.00(total=$75).

The site didn't pay shit; it just paid more! :wink

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08-03-2006, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Shoehorn!

It's not really what you payout per sale, but how big the checks are at the end of the period.
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08-03-2006, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by seven

I guess realitycash is not competing then?

Depends on what your def. of competing is? Do they touch ND and BB as far as sales are concerned.

Nope

PS They do have a 30 / 35 dollar option

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08-03-2006, 06:42 PM

I prefer $25 PPS with a clean quality site that doesn't fuck the members instead the usual "lets milk it and fuck him in everyway possible" $30-$40 PPS you get to see these days...
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08-03-2006, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by $5 submissions

I'm sure some webmasters would take higher conversions over lower pps payout

Not most GFY "webmasters" tho...lol so guilible it hurts
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08-03-2006, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Shoehorn!

It's a prefect option for everyone who makes more at $25 PPS than they do at $40 PPS. It's not really what you payout per sale, but how big the checks are at the end of the period.

I agree.
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08-03-2006, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by seven

I guess realitycash is not competing then?

Took the words out of my mouth.

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08-03-2006, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies

Depends on what your def. of competing is? Do they touch ND and BB as far as sales are concerned.

Nope

PS They do have a 30 / 35 dollar option

and how do you know they don't touch ND and BB? Wild assumption? I highly doubt any of them report their revenues to you Now, from my personal experience yeah ND is ok but BB? just cos you see many webmasters submitting their galleries to your mgp doesn't mean they are all making crazy money on the other hand, I see many RC galleries get submitted too even at $25 CF

CF is $25 and CF is what most tgp/mgpers care about today.

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08-03-2006, 08:16 PM

one of my best converting sponsors pays $20 pps....
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08-03-2006, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by seven

and how do you know they don't touch ND and BB? Wild assumption? I highly doubt any of them report their revenues to you Now, from my personal experience yeah ND is ok but BB? just cos you see many webmasters submitting their galleries to your mgp doesn't mean they are all making crazy money on the other hand, I see many RC galleries get submitted too even at $25 CF

CF is $25 and CF is what most tgp/mgpers care about today.

You have your opinion and I have mine. Yes, lot?s of MGP / TGP owners want CF galleries these days, but that doesn?t mean they rather choose a $25 CF PPS over $30 CF PPS.

IMO, the programs that just offer CF tours at $25 are the ones who can?t manage their exit. They are losing money by not offering $30 PPS, all bc. They can?t capitalize on their exit consoles.
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08-03-2006, 09:42 PM

The question I was asking was would you promote a $25 pps that charges the customer 35 dollars with no trials.. I guess I'm a troll for starting a discussion

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08-03-2006, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by BigPimpCash

As I say its not the best out there... but tryign to make it work

I will try and bump it a bit more when I know how its working out... but as yoou say its more important the site converts first

Hope to do some business with you guys

Hey.. That's the same site I am promoting for a different program.. Is blingpimps shutting down?
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08-03-2006, 10:22 PM

$25 per sale isn't bad as long as there are no consoles and that's pay per trial. i'm not as amused when a site with a $29.95 join option offers $25 per join.

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08-03-2006, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by basschick

$25 per sale isn't bad as long as there are no consoles and that's pay per trial. i'm not as amused when a site with a $29.95 join option offers $25 per join.

Yeah he forgot to post the part where theres no trial and hes charging 34.95 whoops

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08-03-2006, 11:18 PM

i was speaking more generally, but now that you've pointed that out, i think $35 per sale is fair. a site would have to convert almost supernaturally well for me to take a flat $25 on a $34.95 join.

Originally posted by cybermike

Yeah he forgot to post the part where theres no trial and hes charging 34.95 whoops

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08-04-2006, 12:00 AM

Rallying The Troops...

Originally posted by cybermike

Yeah he forgot to post the part where theres no trial and hes charging 34.95 whoops

Is that the best you could do CyberMike ? Trying to rally your troops cause you look like a muppet now... I posted this on several boards and got the same response, generally peoples disbelief that someone would cause drama over this...

Main reason is if you dont want to sign for a programme then dont, why cause drama to a programme that as done you no wrong... but as we know Mike you seem hell bent on doing so what ever I do...

As a lot of people have pointed out above, my site is clean, consol free, traffic leak free, and with no cross sells... a lot of what these other sites are doing...

It's my option in business to decide what I am offering, I think as a small programme I am trying hard, offering a PPS and RevShare, PPS is an experiment for me and I want to get it right... I am paying ChargeBacks/Refunds another gamble on my part, but one I am willing to do to try and assist the success of my programme and it's affilaites...

But lets get down to the bottom line... if I offered $100 PPS and 95% Revshare you would of found another way to flame it... dude seriously you need to let this bitter shit go... it's gone on way too long...

Anyways thanks to every one else's comments, I will try and bump it to $30, who knows maybe even $35 if it goes as well as I hope, but I need to make sure it works else there may be no programme at all...

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08-04-2006, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by BigPimpCash

But lets get down to the bottom line... if I offered $100 PPS and 95% Revshare you would of found another way to flame it... dude seriously you need to let this bitter shit go... it's gone on way too long...

Anyways thanks to every one else's comments, I will try and bump it to $30, who knows maybe even $35 if it goes as well as I hope, but I need to make sure it works else there may be no programme at all...

Peace Out...

Where is this coming from ? Mike didn't flame you. He simply mentioned the facts that you left out in your first post. If you had of mentioned that your paying out $25 on a $35 recurring charge you would not have gotten the same responses in this thread because its just not a good deal for the affiliate. (Don't believe me ? Then create this thread again with all the facts and compare both threads)

Most PPS programs pay $30/35 and they pay you that for a $2.99 trial signup, its much much easier to convert a trial than a $34.95 signup.

The ratios are most likely going to be 1:1000+, your already charging (at least $5 more than most paysites)
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08-04-2006, 06:14 AM

25$ is good for me if you convert good.
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08-04-2006, 06:19 AM

as long as you have a revshare option that is atleast 50% who the hell cares what your PPS is, especially if your program is mostly softcore or solo girl sites id promote revshare b4 pps

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08-04-2006, 06:24 AM

Lol...

Originally posted by Coatsy

Where is this coming from ? Mike didn't flame you. He simply mentioned the facts that you left out in your first post. If you had of mentioned that your paying out $25 on a $35 recurring charge you would not have gotten the same responses in this thread because its just not a good deal for the affiliate. (Don't believe me ? Then create this thread again with all the facts and compare both threads)

Most PPS programs pay $30/35 and they pay you that for a $2.99 trial signup, its much much easier to convert a trial than a $34.95 signup.

The ratios are most likely going to be 1:1000+, your already charging (at least $5 more than most paysites)

I wondered how long it would be till all the crew from NNmasters came over to defend Mike... oh well just cant get away from the clicky little element I guess...

So first off Coatsey this thread was posted on 3 different baords... all had the same response... I wont post it again, as I have already had 30 PPS affilaites sign up thanks, and those people are totally aware of the set up... bottom line they are getting $25 per sign up... they aint got to worry if the site retains...

I admited wasnt the biggest pay out... and as you see most people commented, most that pay more have consols, traffic leaks and cross sells... making a straight clean $25 pretty cool...

I will look to bump it to $30 once I know it works... yes chicken and egg... but from a business sense I need to make sure it works... as I said enough people feel comfortable to get on board, so thanks for the input...

And as for Mike not flamming me... his post was off the back of a conversation he was having with Grisey... so the day before I fully launch my site he posts this thread... knowing that I am about to announce a $25 PPS... do the maths... people knew who he was referrign to, I had 4 different people ICQ me and tell me about his thread, they all knew it was digging at me...

Same old crap, damn never done anythign to hurt that guy... yet he always wants to have a go at me... maybe in a subtle way, but he is trying to pull my strings ! Knows I wear my heart on my sleeve and knows I will react...

So anyways just to conclude... I am trying to put a good programme together, obviously certain people will try and make sure I dont get a fair crack at it... fair enough ! But those that look beyond that will see I am trying... who else in our niche is offering PPS, a handful of people... who is offering to pay chargebacks and refunds... no one... who is offering traffic match... ??? I aint even ever seen that done...

But its fair play... I understand some people would scum it, I spoke to plenty who think it's awesome... so I am pleased of the work I have done, lot of time and effort as gone into it... not just me but Chloe, the new designer, Uproared, the guys at SiteDepth... glad I have been able to give these people from the community work... paid work, good paid work... so yeah dig away... I know I have done the right thing...

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08-04-2006, 06:30 AM

Hi Kimo...

Originally posted by Kimo

as long as you have a revshare option that is atleast 50% who the hell cares what your PPS is, especially if your program is mostly softcore or solo girl sites id promote revshare b4 pps

Yeah Kimo we are offering 50% revshare too... both run through CCBill... Hope to see you sign up and get on board

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08-04-2006, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by BigPimpCash

I wondered how long it would be till all the crew from NNmasters came over to defend Mike... oh well just cant get away from the clicky little element I guess...

So first off Coatsey this thread was posted on 3 different baords... all had the same response... I wont post it again, as I have already had 30 PPS affilaites sign up thanks, and those people are totally aware of the set up... bottom line they are getting $25 per sign up... they aint got to worry if the so yeah dig away... I know I have done the right thing...

I think its really really sad that you saw Mikes post and mine as cheap digs at your program.

Btw how do you know that Mike wasn't asking opinions about your $25 PPS program because he was deciding whether or not to promote you on some TGP galleries because your sites new. Your response to his post in this thread could have just lost you an affiliate

You've purposely asked a question to webmasters in this thread about offering $25 PPS without stating all the facts, I've simply responded to the facts with my opinions. I've not said anything bad about your program, I just don't agree with your biz model.
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08-04-2006, 07:17 AM

some people need to fucking wake up,,, ALOT of programs only pay $25 pps.,.,

some even less.. ddg pays $20, perfectodollars only pays $20, pimproll only $25, ARS $15 on their $1 CF trials, etc, etc....

And, BigBimpBucks.. what about blingpimp??? Do I now need to sign up to the new version?
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08-04-2006, 08:04 AM

Whether or not $25 PPS is good, depends on the sponsor. I promote some recurring sponsors where I only average average $8 - $20 per member, so $25 PPS would be great. I have other revshare sponsors where I average $40+ per member so $25 PPS would definitely not be the better option.

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08-04-2006, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by Coatsy

Most PPS programs pay $30/35 and they pay you that for a $2.99 trial signup, its much much easier to convert a trial than a $34.95 signup.

ABSOFUCKINLUTELY. If your trial (taking the first month as trial) is $34.95 I wouldn't promote you for any less than $52 PPS taking your average retention is atleast 3 months and 50% of 3 x 34.95 = $52.42

Also now that i checked I see you are using CCBill redirect linking codes meaning there'll be many lost sales for me cos of no cookie surfers, no ip matches etc.

Bottomline I wouldn't promote you unless you used a custom script or NATS and dropped your trial to $2.99

Btw, I am NOT a member of NN or whatever team, don't even know who they are so please don't try to say i am one of them too. Thanks.

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08-04-2006, 08:24 AM

Thanks...

Originally posted by spacedog

some people need to fucking wake up,,, ALOT of programs only pay $25 pps.,.,

some even less.. ddg pays $20, perfectodollars only pays $20, pimproll only $25, ARS $15 on their $1 CF trials, etc, etc....

And, BigBimpBucks.. what about blingpimp??? Do I now need to sign up to the new version?

Hi SpaceDog... alas yes you will have to sign up again... the only site this effects is ChloeLove... the other sites NaomiTeen and GirlieKissing are still on BlingPimps...

And it's not BigPimpBucks... it's BigPimpCash

Thanks for the support about the $25... most people have been supportive (about 98%) but appears some people will find fault in everything... I think in general the opinion is it may not be the best, but it aint worth causing drama over it, so lets move on and do some business ah ?

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08-04-2006, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Coatsy

Where is this coming from ? Mike didn't flame you. He simply mentioned the facts that you left out in your first post. If you had of mentioned that your paying out $25 on a $35 recurring charge you would not have gotten the same responses in this thread because its just not a good deal for the affiliate. (Don't believe me ? Then create this thread again with all the facts and compare both threads)

Most PPS programs pay $30/35 and they pay you that for a $2.99 trial signup, its much much easier to convert a trial than a $34.95 signup.

Lol, I didnt see that either. Offering $25 PPS for a $34.95/month membership is ridiculous. I would not promote a program that did that.

Maybe the guy is new though and doesnt know what to charge for a paysite membership and has no clue as to what to expect recurring wise. Not everyone is meant to run a paysite and this guy seems like one of those types of people.

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08-04-2006, 08:46 AM

Fair Comment...

Originally posted by SomeCreep

Lol, I didnt see that either. Offering $25 PPS for a $34.95/month membership is ridiculous. I would not promote a program that did that.

Maybe the guy is new though and doesnt know what to charge for a paysite membership and has no clue as to what to expect recurring wise. Not everyone is meant to run a paysite and this guy seems like one of those types of people.

Fair comment SomeCreep but a lot of people have decided to sign up... some are already sendign decent traffic and good sales... someone summed it up on another board... A fast nickel beats a slow dime any day...

As people have pointed out, I have no pop ups, no consoles, no traffic leaks, no cross sales... so as a small programme makign sure they get it right I think I am spot on... but you are obviously entitled to your opinion and decision not to promote us...

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08-04-2006, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by BigPimpCash

Thanks for the support about the $25... most people have been supportive (about 98%) but appears some people will find fault in everything... I think in general the opinion is it may not be the best, but it aint worth causing drama over it, so lets move on and do some business ah ?

98% of what? 5 people who've been posting in this thread? lol. I think your proggy is too new/too small to worry about PPS yet just stick with the revshare for now buddy. Ya know if PPS was so easy you'd think every single CCBill site owner out there would be offering it

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08-04-2006, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by BigPimpCash

Thanks for the support about the $25... most people have been supportive (about 98%) but appears some people will find fault in everything... I think in general the opinion is it may not be the best, but it aint worth causing drama over it, so lets move on and do some business ah ?

I think you need to learn the difference between flaming and honest criticism. Do you really want supportive people telling you what you want to hear? Or honest people telling you like it is?

Before in this thread, I told you that my best program pays $25 per signup. That said, I would not promote you because I KNOW that it will be very hard to get a surfer sign up for $35 a month deal. I also KNOW that if I find such a surfer, I can get at least $40 PPS with some other program. Now, would I promote you? NO.
Do I dislike you? No, I think you're a great guy, but in my opinion the program wouldn't convert to justify $25 payouts.
But I don't wish anything bad upon you, and I hope that I'm wrong, but that's just my opinion.

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08-04-2006, 09:01 AM

Thanks...

Thanks Seven... and see I didnt even accuse you of being part of the NN crew...

I hear ya... I will offer it for those that want to run with it, sure there will be some fine tunning... but ah if we all got everything right from day 1 there would be no risk or excitment in what we do... oh and we'd all be stinky rich, alas there is always some trial and error...

Anyways good luck with what ever you do, sure you dont need it, but just showing some love...

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08-04-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by Linguist

I think you need to learn the difference between flaming and honest criticism. Do you really want supportive people telling you what you want to hear? Or honest people telling you like it is?

Before in this thread, I told you that my best program pays $25 per signup. That said, I would not promote you because I KNOW that it will be very hard to get a surfer sign up for $35 a month deal. I also KNOW that if I find such a surfer, I can get at least $40 PPS with some other program. Now, would I promote you? NO.
Do I dislike you? No, I think you're a great guy, but in my opinion the program wouldn't convert to justify $25 payouts.
But I don't wish anything bad upon you, and I hope that I'm wrong, but that's just my opinion.

Dude nothing bad about what you said... I take what you said as constructive critism and I hear what your saying... but this is the best deal I can offer now... if things work out then I will bump it... but I need to make sure it works, so I got a business to promote...

Surely thats good business sense, not to run before you can walk ? I could of course could of left the PPS off completely... but thought it was a good idea to include it if I could, so people who do want to run with it can... I got a few guys sellign on the back of the PPS and making some sales... spoke to one of them and he is very happy at the conversions...

I know the big players can offer more, ah maybe one day I will be one of them... but it didnt happen overnight... or even more so from day 1... and more people have commented that my site is 100% clean... none of the usual stuff so called big PPS sites have... but ah we been over that...

So no hard feelings... I totally take what you say as constructive... however the stuff with the other guy is old, I could give you the whole history of it, but then I would just sound all whiney... but trust me I could of offered $100 PPS and he would of found fault with it... I could of called grass green and he would of said I was wrong... long history... but its all gravey...

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