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Drake 08-02-2006 08:50 AM

I'm taking note and when it comes time, I'm going to name names.:winkwink:

Barefootsies 08-02-2006 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ
At the end of the day I just want a home to live and some food and some occasional sex.

I would be happy.

At the end of the day thats all I aim for.

Just a little home, a little fun and a job that grants me a right to live.

I do not think that I ask much but as an American, even Walmart, TacoBell's offerings are not granting me the needed thing to live properly.

There is enough room on this planet to grant every living human being 20 Miles. I can not maintain 800 sq feet.


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HpicAnn 08-02-2006 12:53 PM

It would be great if everybody on this planet deserve that!

Adultboss 08-03-2006 05:06 AM

Surely you should try to visit Cuba. I will stay at home, we have a lot of them here in the Czech republic.

DEA - banned for life 08-03-2006 06:22 AM

fuck the commies! :thumbsup

Drake 08-03-2006 06:27 AM

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StuartD 08-03-2006 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by he-fox
Communism is the worst shit.

The "perfect society" that Star Trek was based on was communism.

dot1866 08-03-2006 09:33 AM

i am so totally a commie.
dot stoevsky, #1866
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:bowdown

jayeff 08-03-2006 10:20 AM

Communism and capitalism are both collectivist systems under which the majority serve an elite. The only real difference is methodology and that capitalism is rather more efficient at turning citizens into production and consumption units for the benefit of that elite.

Capitalism is frequently supported becase many people equate it with free enterprise. But they are not synonymous. Free enterprise offers all that supposedly good stuff like competition, business efficiency, low prices, etc., etc. Capitalism is a perversion in that corporations and government frequently work hand in hand to ensure that the entry barriers for competition are such that they are near impossible to surmount. This while ensuring that most workers will earn at best enough for a reasonable lifestyle, but not enough to become a competitor. What remains is an illusion of free enterprise but only a shadow of it in reality.

Privately owned property, the rallying cry of capitalism is also largely an illusion and results primarily in people investing a large part of their labor into making a profit for banks. Banks in turn are allowed to function as they do courtesy of government, that same supposedly democratic government which supposedly represents the citizens, but at the same time as using corporations to enforce many of its laws, protects those corporations against liability suits, limits worker and consumer rights, etc.

Is there an alternative? Not really, because any system run by humans will take on human character. Thus however admirable the starting point, greed and self-interest will always dominate in the end. That, rather than fundmental flaws in the theory of either communism or capitalism are why both ended up with little to offer the average citizen.

godisdead 08-03-2006 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jayeff
Capitalism is frequently supported becase many people equate it with free enterprise. But they are not synonymous. Free enterprise offers all that supposedly good stuff like competition, business efficiency, low prices, etc., etc. Capitalism is a perversion in that corporations and government frequently work hand in hand to ensure that the entry barriers for competition are such that they are near impossible to surmount. This while ensuring that most workers will earn at best enough for a reasonable lifestyle, but not enough to become a competitor. What remains is an illusion of free enterprise but only a shadow of it in reality.

Privately owned property, the rallying cry of capitalism is also largely an illusion and results primarily in people investing a large part of their labor into making a profit for banks. Banks in turn are allowed to function as they do courtesy of government, that same supposedly democratic government which supposedly represents the citizens, but at the same time as using corporations to enforce many of its laws, protects those corporations against liability suits, limits worker and consumer rights, etc.

Don't mistake our current system for ideal capitalism. What we have today is -as you have pointed out- a sick perverted version that only pays lip service to the ideal.

A system that offers you to buy your way out of the rule of the law, where your property rights are not really protected, where free enterprise is crippled by the government can hardly be called capitalism.

Full-blown communism has been tried. Full blown capitalism hasn't. I wonder why?

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Originally Posted by jayeff
Is there an alternative? Not really, because any system run by humans will take on human character. Thus however admirable the starting point, greed and self-interest will always dominate in the end. That, rather than fundmental flaws in the theory of either communism or capitalism are why both ended up with little to offer the average citizen.

A starting point working against human self-interest would be a rather sick one. I mean, it's a quite perverted to tell people to work against their own good. If everybody's good is actually evil, for whose good am I then supposed to work?

All these attacks on self-interest are wrong anyway. Nothing but enslavement. It's like telling people: Jesus is watching you masturbate.

After all, you have to work for your self-interest just to survive. And you have to work for someone's interest, otherwise all the work would be pointless. Why is something valuable only because you don't want it? Why is something without value because you value it? All this "cry against selfishness" is nothing but punishing people for wanting to be alive.

It's sick.

(Please note that I'm against: "The good is everything I say it is.", too. That would be Nietzsche's point and I disagree with him there. :thumbsup )

mikeyddddd 08-03-2006 11:17 AM

You know what

jayeff 08-03-2006 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by godisdead
All these attacks on self-interest are wrong anyway.

Self-interest in the case of individuals working on their own behalf is what free enterprise should not only allow, but encourage. However, if that same degree of self-interest can be exercised by those who govern, it will inevitably lead to a perversion of government.

If we did drain the gravy from the train, we would likely have to pay more to encourage competent people to stand for election. But purely as a matter of principle, why should a job requirement to limit self-interest be any more onerous than regulations stating that someone on a building site must wear a hard-hat? If you don't like the rules, don't take the job.

godisdead 08-03-2006 11:47 AM

Okay, I think now I'm getting your point. You're saying that self-interest in politics leads to disaster. I agree that stupid short-term self-interest thinking on behalf of politicians has ruined much of the economic freedom that was once there.

It's the old problem of "Who guards the guards?"
I'm not sure that democracy can do the trick. But so far it's the best we've got.

spazlabz 08-03-2006 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

:1orglaugh Thats a funny pic!


spaz

just a punk 09-09-2006 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ
The theories of the movement come from Karl Marx, as modified by Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, leader of the successful Communist revolution in Russia.

So ture. Lenin was a great guy - the first and greatest Soviet basketball-player. He plays basketball even after death. Here is the evidence:

http://pics2.pokazuha.ru/p201/d/4039668dkd.jpg

:winkwink:


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