so being that adult is a multi million dollar industry how come....

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

With all the money and brains in this industry im curious as why there dosent exist some form of self govering body? No orginazation to handle the industry intrest in washington or even on state levels. Where is the money for lobbyist etc????

this is crazy

when Bush signs the bill I predict profits will drop almost over night as the republicans ramp up their attack on porn for the up coming elections

I am thinking of starting this orginazation myself

discuss

[Basic_man]

Start it and make millions out of it !!

[Doctor Dre]

Because pretty much everybody in the industry made a lot fo money doing something shady at one poitn, and they don't wanna stop.

[xanx]

all good questions

[Webby]

Originally Posted by pussyserver

With all the money and brains in this industry im curious as why there dosent exist some form of self govering body? No orginazation to handle the industry intrest in washington or even on state levels. Where is the money for lobbyist etc????

this is crazy

when Bush signs the bill I predict profits will drop almost over night as the republicans ramp up their attack on porn for the up coming elections

I am thinking of starting this orginazation myself

discuss

What specifically have you got in mind as the aims of this org pussyserver?

[Phoenix]

there have been some big guys that have said they would love to get behind a proper lobby group

[ButtUgly-Bertha]

It is the Adult Industry = your falt 100%

Get a party together and vote in a rep. to lobby on your behalf, but no your money is to important to spend on representing yourself, that BlingBling is way much more important.

[MaddCaz]

Originally Posted by Basic_man

Start it and make millions out of it !!

[Brujah]

FSC is helping us? lol

[BLish]

Originally Posted by Basic_man

Start it and make millions out of it !!

absolutely! it worked for the NCAA!!

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Webby

What specifically have you got in mind as the aims of this org pussyserver?

The orginazations main fucntion "will be" to self govern the industry as a whole and provide some form or protection to legitamate adult companies

example ( jimmy the spammer would not be accepted into org so therefore jimmy is on his own as well as members who afiliate with jimmy)


maintain a pool of counsel with constituional specialist and lawyers in key conservative states ( especialy conservative lawyers) theese lawyers will be first in line for use by all of the industry as an incentive this includes asset transfers and sales but most importantly challenging just about every thing that dosent has the potential to affect our industry

if the fovernment know we want do anything they have they have the right to do everything

sue them at every turn make them work for theese laws and spend the money

Pay for the lobbyist

buy some lunches or some dinners or some wave runners ( not bribery) but spend money where it needs to be spent

like any good orginazation the name and main operators of this orginazation will not appear to have any ties to the adult industry but the purpose of the orginazation will be the same

the intrest of the industry backed by the industry to protect and grow the industry


think about it

Big tobbaco has a product that has been proven to kill people

why are they still able to sell it

......orginazation and self presevation by spending the money that needs to be spent to protect its intrest

[madawgz]

sure start it, let me know when its on

[MyNameIsNobody]

sounds great.. but what would be the reasons to exclude someone.. like jim?

[Stumps]

because theres more money in working for yourself.

[Mr. Soul]

[QUOTE=BLish]absolutely! it worked for the NCAA!![/QUOTE


Yeah the Final Four is fucking sweet.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by pussyserver

The orginazations main fucntion "will be" to self govern the industry as a whole and provide some form or protection to legitamate adult companies

example ( jimmy the spammer would not be accepted into org so therefore jimmy is on his own as well as members who afiliate with jimmy)


maintain a pool of counsel with constituional specialist and lawyers in key conservative states ( especialy conservative lawyers) theese lawyers will be first in line for use by all of the industry as an incentive this includes asset transfers and sales but most importantly challenging just about every thing that dosent has the potential to affect our industry

if the fovernment know we want do anything they have they have the right to do everything

sue them at every turn make them work for theese laws and spend the money

Pay for the lobbyist

buy some lunches or some dinners or some wave runners ( not bribery) but spend money where it needs to be spent

like any good orginazation the name and main operators of this orginazation will not appear to have any ties to the adult industry but the purpose of the orginazation will be the same

the intrest of the industry backed by the industry to protect and grow the industry


think about it

Big tobbaco has a product that has been proven to kill people

why are they still able to sell it

......orginazation and self presevation by spending the money that needs to be spent to protect its intrest

OK... Throw some thoughts at ya -

Bearing in mind the net is international, is there something in having an international org to represent the industry - possibly with sub-sections for any interested country?

Legal assets are one aspect, tho there are plenty opps to link up at other levels in various ways and this may not be simply limited to "webmasters", but possibly include ISP's who have an interest in adult hosting or are involved in transactiong funds for adult websites etc?

It may be.. tho only my , that unless the industry begins to police itself and shows that this is being done in practice - it remains open to attack by both governments and individuals. The "front end" (basically lobbying and advocacy) is inclined to fall apart when detrimental facts are thrown on the table and, sometimes these can be indefensible.

There are currently a number of orgs performing what is CP-related "management". However, there may be room for this from the adult industry itself and with direct reporting and liason with domestic law enforcement agencies internationally. (Truth is - it's easier and more effective to deal direct). Whether "we" think issues like CP are not part of the industry, still does not force others to think otherwise. Again, there is an education function involved, which could be part of the role of such an org.

Next thought is a long story, but basically along the lines of adopting "standards". An element of that may go along the lines of developing a "standard" for website entry/access with the object of inhibiting/terminating minors accessing adult content. The method, implementation and legal aspects could possibly be covered on an international basis (particularly taking account of varying domestic laws).

Little doubts, you are 100% correct in that any org working on behalf of the adult industry does need to be managed and handled by professionals who can bring expertise with them - whether that is lawyers with experience of this industry and qualified ex law enforcement employees blah.

Another possible aspect tho may seem out on a limb, is finance and banking expertise. There are prob several areas where they can play a role - some being on payment processing systems and either developing or working in liason with existing transaction providers to cover all regional possibilities.

No doubts you are aware of a "weakness" in for example, third party processing where a processing company can have full access to webmaster funds in addition to their own processing fees and profit element. This has proven to be a major problem for many clients of these companies and something that could possibly be tightened up thru an org representing the industry.

This stuff is endless - It's wherever you want to take it But underneath, there can be many benefits overall to such an org - even down to simply providing legal/financial/business advice to a webmaster/member.


PS Depending on the precise role and aims - funding for such an org need not be limited to those contributing from the adult industry - there are possibilities of funding from many sources, oddly - including governments.

[Mr. Soul]

Originally Posted by Stumps

because theres more money in working for yourself.

That's not what he's talking about at all.

He's talking about this industry forming a lobby group to represent us in Washington, as every other major industry in the USA does. Hopefully the FSC can develop into something better than what they currently are. At least it's an attempt.

[Kimo]

i love webby's posts, i think hes the only one who actually posts something of substance on a regular basis

[fatman1]

try multi BILLION

and alot of adult income you will never hear about or notice

[Jimmy The Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by pussyserver

The orginazations main fucntion "will be" to self govern the industry as a whole and provide some form or protection to legitamate adult companies

example ( jimmy the spammer would not be accepted into org so therefore jimmy is on his own as well as members who afiliate with jimmy)


maintain a pool of counsel with constituional specialist and lawyers in key conservative states ( especialy conservative lawyers) theese lawyers will be first in line for use by all of the industry as an incentive this includes asset transfers and sales but most importantly challenging just about every thing that dosent has the potential to affect our industry

if the fovernment know we want do anything they have they have the right to do everything

sue them at every turn make them work for theese laws and spend the money

Pay for the lobbyist

buy some lunches or some dinners or some wave runners ( not bribery) but spend money where it needs to be spent

like any good orginazation the name and main operators of this orginazation will not appear to have any ties to the adult industry but the purpose of the orginazation will be the same

the intrest of the industry backed by the industry to protect and grow the industry


think about it

Big tobbaco has a product that has been proven to kill people

why are they still able to sell it

......orginazation and self presevation by spending the money that needs to be spent to protect its intrest

this is an excellent post.

I myself feel that we should have a few lobbyists. it would protect us GREATLY.

[PMdave]

Let's face it... who would finance this?

[phypon]

I agree that we should step up. I think the absolute first thing, from a PR, moral, obligatory stand point and to show that we are not the enemy is to illustrate that we are AGAINST CP like every one else. If we could come up with something, a peace offering/show of face against this, that would be the first step.

If we could come up with something, something that works and is effective (maybe the 'standards' mentioned above), something to make people say, 'Hm...well, those people are actually professional. They are not promoting THAT stuff'. I would say that is a good start while simultaneously organizing in the background.

[phypon]

How bout' an "Adult is not for children" campaign. Just spouting food for thought here. Maybe 'sting' operations with official cooperation like they did with MySpace? Or become more 'watch dogish'. Someone aid in thought here. I like the topic starters way of thinking here.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Kimo

i love webby's posts, i think hes the only one who actually posts something of substance on a regular basis

hehe Thank you my man!

When you look at the whole industry, I doubt we have seen anything yet by way of "opposition". Smell that will be increased when any other international org gets there first.

Example... and this is not entirely a negative thing - least initially. Eventually ICANN as we know it will go. It was already scheduled to be terminated, or passed over to an international org in August, but that is no longer going to happen - least not right now.

Many countries have been pressuring for international representation on domain TLD's and it is inevitable this will happen at some future time.

In theory, this is fine. It is certainly more democratic than ICANN currently is. However, international orgs can have a habit of getting out of control (like most orgs/govts) and when that happens - who is going to be the voice for the adult industry? There is none.

The danger is when decisions are made on an international level, they are very hard to change. EG.. If someone dreamed up a ghetto situation for adult only domains with a whatever TLD, and where all countries were participating in this org - basically, it can end up a take-it-or-leave-it scenario for everyone in the adult biz. Problem time

[phypon]

There are plenty of programmers here. We could write a child safe web browser. I know there are programs out there, but the point is that WE created one, and for FREE. We could offer tips for parents, etc. I can program with Delphi, I'll help write a proggie that will help us help 'them'.

[Kimo]

Originally Posted by phypon

There are plenty of programmers here. We could write a child safe web browser. I know there are programs out there, but the point is that WE created one, and for FREE. We could offer tips for parents, etc. I can program with Delphi, I'll help write a proggie that will help us help 'them'.

no offence, but i think a child safe browser would be just like medicine bottles with a child safty lid on them, kids can open them, and their parents cant figure them out

[phypon]

Originally Posted by Kimo

no offence, but i think a child safe browser would be just like medicine bottles with a child safty lid on them, kids can open them, and their parents cant figure them out

Your point is well taken but the real point here is that we as an industry contribute and show that we are aware of netrocities and that we are also against it. It would be more of a first move on our part to demonstrate that we do not condone such activities nor do we participate or propogate them.

[PMdave]

Originally Posted by phypon

There are plenty of programmers here. We could write a child safe web browser. I know there are programs out there, but the point is that WE created one, and for FREE. We could offer tips for parents, etc. I can program with Delphi, I'll help write a proggie that will help us help 'them'.

Sure go ahead. We all know this industry only exists of people meaning good and there would be no indiviuals who immediatly started to make sites especially for your browser just because it's an easy marketplace without competition. All this would do is create a whole new marketplace for the bad part of the industry.

Only thing you can really do is point parents to their responsibilities. I remeber a post about this from last week (was about myspace but it was the same stuff)

[Kimo]

Originally Posted by phypon

Your point is well taken but the real point here is that we as an industry contribute and show that we are aware of netrocities and that we are also against it. It would be more of a first move on our part to demonstrate that we do not condone such activities nor do we participate or propogate them.

very true, i also think it would be a good idea to start up a website with tips and motovational support for "porn addicts" just like the tobacco companies do, and it would actually be a great place to advertise dating websites too :P


^ seriously tho, phillip morris company makes it look like they want people to stop their addiction to cigarettes, so why wouldnt the same work as a porn pr campaign?

[phypon]

Originally Posted by Kimo

very true, i also think it would be a good idea to start up a website with tips and motovational support for "porn addicts" just like the tobacco companies do, and it would actually be a great place to advertise dating websites too :P


^ seriously tho, phillip morris company makes it look like they want people to stop their addiction to cigarettes, so why wouldnt the same work as a porn pr campaign?

That is the exact line of thinking/strategy that we need to undertake. The only thing that differentiates us from the tobacco example is the fact that we actually do NOT want to see cp. We ARE on the right side here. For us do something, anything, as a good will gesture could really help us out and get the ball rolling for us to 'organize' and demonstrate that we are a legitimate and profitable industry that benefits the business world (taxes) and everyday society (posterity).

[PMdave]

Originally Posted by phypon

That is the exact line of thinking/strategy that we need to undertake. The only thing that differentiates us from the tobacco example is the fact that we actually do NOT want to see cp. We ARE on the right side here. For us do something, anything, as a good will gesture could really help us out and get the ball rolling for us to 'organize' and demonstrate that we are a legitimate and profitable industry that benefits the business world (taxes) and everyday society (posterity).

Just be VERY carefull. Spindoctors will turn any attempt into a "See... even those who call themselves legit... blablabla....." (see your browser idea)

[phypon]

Originally Posted by PMdave

Just be VERY carefull. Spindoctors will turn any attempt into a "See... even those who call themselves legit... blablabla....." (see your browser idea)

I see what you are saying, but spin will always exist. We could simply spin it right back by saying, 'We are legit and just like you (mainstream) we have families, are aware of the netrocities, and would like to prevent such atrocious behaviors from continuing. We are also doing what we can to prevent and stop such activities. Our industry is for adults and adults only...blah blah blah..." You get the idea.

It's a revolving door that we also need to walk through.

[DEA - banned for life]

nobody wants that kind of attention i guess..except larry flint

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

[Webby]

Originally Posted by pussyserver

The current US scenario over 2257 stuff highlights the relevance of representation pussyserver.


BTW... If anyone needs a 2257 record-keeping system - here's one for free from Lifer:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=638421

[tony286]

I think its a few things, the big guys want the gov to crack down gets rid of lots of competition. Also the attitude its not me not my problem. Also on the net they are nerds so dont have the fuck them attitude.I remember at a show a big fish saying about Acacia you got a millions dollars to fight them???, then eventually posts here looking to buy a million dollar boat. That says it all. lol

[Pornwolf]

I think this industry needs something more in line with a Mafia or something. Some webmasters need the threat of bad things happening to them in order to fall in line and do whats right for the industry.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by pussyserver

With all the money and brains in this industry im curious as why there dosent exist some form of self govering body? No orginazation to handle the industry intrest in washington or even on state levels. Where is the money for lobbyist etc????

this is crazy

when Bush signs the bill I predict profits will drop almost over night as the republicans ramp up their attack on porn for the up coming elections

I am thinking of starting this orginazation myself

discuss

Heres an idea..
we vote on the type of government that shall be the governing body of adult from within. Then, whomever wants to be president, or whatever is relevant to the type of government we choose, the people vote on that person(s) to allow them to take the helm. Because one thing for sure.. the people who "THINK" they are the spokes people and "Leaders" of our industry currently, arent leaders of anything in my book, and in many other peoples books too. so we would definatley have to start from scratch with an electoral process to ensure that everyone is heard and its not some oligarchy ran by the dinosaurs of yesterday who think they speak for us today.
Duke

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

I think this industry needs something more in line with a Mafia or something. Some webmasters need the threat of bad things happening to them in order to fall in line and do whats right for the industry.

Thats usually the first stage in the infancy of any govenrment.
problem is, what happens if someone is out of line and a bad ass at the same time? he's gonna send a bunch of keyboard warriors home with their teeth in their pockets.

duke

[DaddyHalbucks]

The mob, the carpenters union, the teachers union, the tobacco lobby --they all organize because their livelihoods depend on it.

The adult money has been easy up until now, but when DOJ picks us off one by one, it will be bankruptcy for many.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The adult money has been easy up until now, but when DOJ picks us off one by one, it will be bankruptcy for many.

Little doubts that is exactly what will happen - tho some of it deserved, mainly because they never were in the adult biz in the true sense and were clueless.

[KRL]

I can see it now. The International Association of Pornographers .

Oh yeh baby that's the ticket. LOL I'm sure the IAP lobbying group will be able to get a lot of lunch meetings with influential senators and congressmen in Washington DC.

[Pornwolf]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Thats usually the first stage in the infancy of any govenrment.
problem is, what happens if someone is out of line and a bad ass at the same time? he's gonna send a bunch of keyboard warriors home with their teeth in their pockets.

duke

Yes, you are right. But this is why the head has to be an 'Official bad ass' to make sure things like that don't happen.

Some people here are level headed and definitely not keyboard warriors. Actually, there are more than a couple of very direct individuals here if you get my drift.

[MaddCaz]

good pregunta

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Heres an idea..
we vote on the type of government that shall be the governing body of adult from within. Then, whomever wants to be president, or whatever is relevant to the type of government we choose, the people vote on that person(s) to allow them to take the helm. Because one thing for sure.. the people who "THINK" they are the spokes people and "Leaders" of our industry currently, arent leaders of anything in my book, and in many other peoples books too. so we would definatley have to start from scratch with an electoral process to ensure that everyone is heard and its not some oligarchy ran by the dinosaurs of yesterday who think they speak for us today.
Duke

I completely agree