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rowan 07-30-2006 09:02 AM

I have a RAID 1+0 setup (4 drives, 600Gb, redundant) as my main storage, then a RAID 0 (2 drives, 640Gb, non redundant) for backups and expendable data like browser caches and swap files. All 6 drives are internal.

I did have some initial problems with Seagate SATA drives. One was DOA and the other was reporting a S.M.A.R.T. error within 24 hours. Both were exchanged without fuss and the 4 I have now have not skipped a beat.

In the RAID 1+0 array, I'm using Seagate drives, manufactured in 3 different countries/batches (to avoid the chances of a bad batch resulting in near simultaneous failure of more than one drive). In the RAID 0 array I'm using Western Digital as further redundancy against any nasty bugs the Seagate SATA firmware may have.

Anyway, before considering redundancy you should also look at environment. Are your drives sufficiently cooled? My case has a large fan at the front of each stack of 3-4 drives which keeps them "metal cool" rather than warm or even hot.

rowan 07-31-2006 01:09 AM

I am a thread killer

JD 07-31-2006 01:13 AM

i've had 2 failed drives in the last 11 years. Let's just hope that trend continues!

Quotealex 12-27-2006 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastfun (Post 10508626)
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Raid 5 = parity, you dont want that as a consumer

And why is that?
Raid 5 is what is recommended by Terrastation as it is a compromise between efficiency and security.

Sosa 12-27-2006 08:24 AM

Only 1 hard drive fail on me in pry 10 years that I've been using computers.

VeriSexy 12-27-2006 02:54 PM

Always do back ups

uno 12-27-2006 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 10508790)
Only had two fail in the last 8 years. I must be lucky.

Very. I've had more than that in the past 6 months.

maxcarter101 12-27-2006 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico (Post 10508559)
If they all fucking suck and will eventually fail on you?

I am so sick if this shit. Does anyone even give a fuck when they build these colossal pieces of shit or do they just slap em together and ship em out?

Anyone here have a RAID setup? is it worth the extra money? How exactly does RAID work?

I figure the time and money lost from every Harddrive I've lost in the past it might add up to a RAID system.

First off, Google/Wiki are your friends, or do you want us to go get the info for you then cut and paste? Secondly, if you don't look after the HD (like defrag, maintain it well, etc) it will become a pile of shit in no time, if you look after it it will be good for a few years. Back up onto dvd or onto another hd, it's not complex, we are all in the same boat.

Jakke PNG 12-27-2006 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notabook (Post 10508743)
The newer Hitatchi (2k3+) drives perform the best in longevity imo, anything Maxtor is a piece of shit for long-term use. I just recently pruned through all my old hard drives (sub 4gb drives), six out of the twenty were dead. ALL SIX DEAD DRIVES were the Maxtor?s. The other 14 drives were fine, majority of which were Seagate.

Baahahhaha..
I lost a 500GB hitachi deskstar, a backup of that on the same day, also a hitachi deskstar...and a week after that the warranty replacement hitachi deskstar took a dump. I will NEVER touch a hitachi again.. I lost like a months worth of rendered videos, and some originals and had to hunt down content producers to re-issue my content.. massive fucking head-ache.

cool1 12-27-2006 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre (Post 10509396)
I just burn a dvd once a week and I put every thing I've spent any significant time wroking on or downloading ... it's easier that way.

raids can be a pain in teh ass

thats what I do, find it works better for me.
sometimes I do it more often if needed.

Mr Bond 12-27-2006 03:49 PM

As mentioned above? a RAID 1 or 5 set up is a good idea for your critical stuff.

Also Consistent Power is Critical!!!


Check this out? I was losing a hard drive about every two weeks(regardless of brand) and I was really getting pissed.

Finally I realized how bad the power situation was in my new area. Hard drives are very sensitive to voltage and you should definitely invest in a Voltage Regulator. Older hard drives are not as sensitive it seems.

Most stuff in an office or house does not care what the voltage is like. Voltage can go up and down all day and you will never notice anything except for the occasional light flicker. What you can't see is thousands of micro-changes in voltage.

The worst is when the power goes off or a brownout (even for just a few seconds).

When that happens? everything on the line turns off (until it is turned back on by a human). But, if you have a battery backup on your machines they will stay on? and when the power comes back on? the line spikes (but not hard enough to throw your surge protector). Over time this kills a hard drive

Get an APC http://www.apc.com/

There are consumer level ones that cost between 150 and $300 for individual machines.

And business level units costing 300 and up

I opted for a 3000VA to cover 3 machines at my home office and everything hooked up to them http://70.85.180.209/home_office_rack.jpg

It was like $1500? a little bit of overkill? But I have not lost a hard drive in 2 years and I have not had the stress or downtime caused by a hard drive failure.

Fizzgig 12-27-2006 04:07 PM

Forget hard drives, let's all go back to those punch card things.

Dagwolf 12-27-2006 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fizzgig (Post 11603484)
Forget hard drives, let's all go back to those punch card things.

http://pissyourself.com/pics/hit8.jpg

stickyfingerz 12-27-2006 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno (Post 11603185)
Very. I've had more than that in the past 6 months.

Thats cause you are always dripping Uno Jizz into your computer...... :winkwink:

uno 12-27-2006 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bond (Post 11603391)
As mentioned above? a RAID 1 or 5 set up is a good idea for your critical stuff.

Also Consistent Power is Critical!!!


Check this out? I was losing a hard drive about every two weeks(regardless of brand) and I was really getting pissed.

Finally I realized how bad the power situation was in my new area. Hard drives are very sensitive to voltage and you should definitely invest in a Voltage Regulator. Older hard drives are not as sensitive it seems.

Most stuff in an office or house does not care what the voltage is like. Voltage can go up and down all day and you will never notice anything except for the occasional light flicker. What you can't see is thousands of micro-changes in voltage.

The worst is when the power goes off or a brownout (even for just a few seconds).

When that happens? everything on the line turns off (until it is turned back on by a human). But, if you have a battery backup on your machines they will stay on? and when the power comes back on? the line spikes (but not hard enough to throw your surge protector). Over time this kills a hard drive

Get an APC http://www.apc.com/

There are consumer level ones that cost between 150 and $300 for individual machines.

And business level units costing 300 and up

I opted for a 3000VA to cover 3 machines at my home office and everything hooked up to them http://70.85.180.209/home_office_rack.jpg

It was like $1500? a little bit of overkill? But I have not lost a hard drive in 2 years and I have not had the stress or downtime caused by a hard drive failure.

I have that same cable box... Did you hook up extra SATA hds to it?

uno 12-27-2006 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11603559)
Thats cause you are always dripping Uno Jizz into your computer...... :winkwink:

You promised you wouldn't tell!

stickyfingerz 12-27-2006 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bond (Post 11603391)
As mentioned above? a RAID 1 or 5 set up is a good idea for your critical stuff.

Also Consistent Power is Critical!!!


Check this out? I was losing a hard drive about every two weeks(regardless of brand) and I was really getting pissed.

Finally I realized how bad the power situation was in my new area. Hard drives are very sensitive to voltage and you should definitely invest in a Voltage Regulator. Older hard drives are not as sensitive it seems.

Most stuff in an office or house does not care what the voltage is like. Voltage can go up and down all day and you will never notice anything except for the occasional light flicker. What you can't see is thousands of micro-changes in voltage.

The worst is when the power goes off or a brownout (even for just a few seconds).

When that happens? everything on the line turns off (until it is turned back on by a human). But, if you have a battery backup on your machines they will stay on? and when the power comes back on? the line spikes (but not hard enough to throw your surge protector). Over time this kills a hard drive

Get an APC http://www.apc.com/

There are consumer level ones that cost between 150 and $300 for individual machines.

And business level units costing 300 and up

I opted for a 3000VA to cover 3 machines at my home office and everything hooked up to them http://70.85.180.209/home_office_rack.jpg

It was like $1500? a little bit of overkill? But I have not lost a hard drive in 2 years and I have not had the stress or downtime caused by a hard drive failure.

Nice setup, and this might be why my drives last a long time. :winkwink:

Quotealex 12-27-2006 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gecko (Post 10509560)
always back up your stuff

And use a backup freeware like Cobian Backup to automate it. The software will automatically backup all/any files/folders you want on your pc or server at any interval you want and will even zip/compress and encrypt the data if you want to.... and much more.

Mr Bond 12-27-2006 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno (Post 11603596)
I have that same cable box... Did you hook up extra SATA hds to it?

Nah I didn't bother... I rent that cable box from my local provider (BrightHouse) for like $10 a month. Its a pretty nice unit actually... Scientific Atlanta 8300HD.

I don't want to put any money into it since it's not mine.

studiocritic 12-27-2006 11:55 PM

like someone said on page1, MTBFs are like a decade now.. if you're killing hard disks left and right, check your power supply

Nickless 12-28-2006 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastfun (Post 10508626)
3 - make sure its installed correct (get proff. help, not your sisters friend that once had his own C64)

That made my day :1orglaugh

Frostvr4 12-28-2006 12:09 AM

Never get Fujitsu's!

jeffrey 12-28-2006 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico (Post 10510637)
Hmmm... and why is that. Cuz my shit is lucky to last a year.


A bad powersuply will deliver inconsistant power, and its just hard on the drives.

I use Seagates and only seagates for myself and the office, a total of 30ish drives, and there is usually one that goes down every year.
Usually the oldest one, some are 5-6 years old. All the maxtors and others have long died off, I havent had a maxtor last more then a year.

jeffrey 12-28-2006 12:32 AM

You could opt for a solid state drive, although the ones of any size thats usefull are expensive as hell.


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