giftedtwisted

I was reading recently that someone was saying 20 bucks was too expensive for a custom MGP design. This set me to find out why some would think that an hours worth of specialty work design work is worth less than 20 bucks.

Just thought this might be interesting for many people here. I'm sure most US designers are dealing with the pressing issue of losing work to non-us designers who undercut us for what seems like chump change. I remeber a time when charging 100 an hour for design work with an ACE cert was not unheard of.

If you have any other resoucres, stats, charts etc you would like to post please do so. This is not meant as a rant or a slanderous turnabout on non-us designers.

http://www.salary.com/advice/layouth...67_Par150.html

http://www.webprofession.com/features/memarticle.htm

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Tuga

$20 for a design is cheap, I offer that price if you buy in bulk. And I'm outside the US.

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B9_John

you don't get what he saying, right?

wdforty

MGP? or MGP Gallery? There is a difference.

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cj_purve

I think it all depends on what the client is looking for ...
If I were trying to find a budget solution for 1000's of galleries I might not mind 'our womans good sex do' as the sell text - or no sell text at all.

The graphics you can get for $2 an hour are amazing, but the marketing and conversion aspect is usually lacking imho.

If I were a webmaster building my own galleries to submit and generate traffic, i'd probably go the budget option & get simple graphical headers and use sponsor banners as the sell text.

But if I were an affiliate program providing fhg's or templates for my affiliates, I wouldn't choose my designer based on price, I'd be wanting perfect galleries.

>>I'm sure most US designers are dealing with the pressing issue of losing work to non-us designers who undercut us for what seems like chump change.

I'm an Australian based designer, but I align my prices with the US ... I have not really noticed a huge impact ... I guess because budget design and quality design could be seen as 2 different products ... both with a valuable place in the market.

I have however seen a large increase in webmasters hiring designers for work. It used to be that affiliate programs and only big webmasters had designers, now hiring a designer can be done with pocket money, I think the budget market almost created its own customer base.

tony286

designs that convert are worth their weight in gold

Fizzgig

Website designs have no weight. Are you saying they're worthless?

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blood_burn

$20 is ok.. i know some designers that charge 35 per template. but still demand by clients

Tuga

Yes, I do.

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giftedtwisted

Well I think you get what you put into thing in life. If you put crap in you get crap out. Now, of course there are exceptions to this rule and I do believe that if you find a good designer in another country willing to work for cheap wages then that is one of them. However I do also believe that the growing number of un-trained self procraimed graphic artists are saturating the job market. This lends to the downward trend of resepect and pay scale to the profession in the Adult industry. I'm not saying that there aren't those of use who still charge and get what we ask for.

When it comes to designers hiring out, I thnk it's great when we do. It's a sign of growth.

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Kimo

i have no graphic artistic ability, and i have no desire to learn, so whether designers are a dime a dozen or 5k a day it doesnt matter to me, but currently you guys are a dime a dozen, and with all of the outsourced labour so easilly accessable in this industry dont be suprised if prices continue to go down for your services, i suggest you specialize in something and be better at it then anyone so that you are known for it and people will pay you what your worth instead of just being another designer out there with $10 gallery designs

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joshll

desingers can aqquire the services of www.boundmarketing.com to market there sites and make sales the way the real pros do.

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XLCowBoy

There's a fine difference between an average design, and a real good one.

Real good ones get people looking. Average ones don't.

You get what you paid for. End of story.

Kimo

isnt that what i said?

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selena

I pay $12 per gallery template, and they convert better than the higher priced ones I was buying from a US webmaster.

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giftedtwisted

I find adult webmasters in an over abundance too... there are the webmasters pulling in 5-10k a day then there are the ones who strive to. No slight was meant by this topic. I was making an observation and starting conversation with the designers on the board. Not making accusations towards anyone.

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XLCowBoy

Hmmm... I think I misunderstood what you meant by that line.

Oh well. Same banana then.

I wouldn't be surprised if you found a talented off-shore guy for that price.