NATS - Disallow join option for old members? Any program owners using this option? - GoFuckYourself.com

media · 07-27-2006, 11:04 PM

Anyone using NATS using this option?

"Disallow for Old Members" on the pricing options for a site?

I'm thinking I might turn this on, we get some members joining a site 2-4 times on the one day trials and the 5 day trials to soak up memberships at their convenience... I think this would cut down on the slackasses that keep joining our sites...

JOKER · 07-27-2006, 11:08 PM

Just be smart and give them a very high daily pricing option.

It's quite common that people use the dialy trials a couple times, cause the can jump from site to site like this.

With the right pricing you can make it an advantage for you though

media · 07-27-2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

Just be smart and give them a very high daily pricing option.

It's quite common that people use the dialy trials a couple times, cause the can jump from site to site like this.

With the right pricing you can make it an advantage for you though

Yes, but with our cookies lasting so long we have some members getting $75 for one member within a month period on multiple occasions, I know it's great for a webmaster and all if this happens but we do not see this as good for business in the long run for anyone...

I have one person who's joined the site 4 times, I finally just blocked their IP address for now and put up a message for them saying you have been blocked due to excessive trial signups, please email us to obtain a full membership...

BIGTYMER · 07-27-2006, 11:18 PM

Why not just limit access on trials?

Kimo · 07-27-2006, 11:25 PM

because this would be a lot easier

JOKER · 07-27-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by media

Yes, but with our cookies lasting so long we have some members getting $75 for one member within a month period on multiple occasions, I know it's great for a webmaster and all if this happens but we do not see this as good for business in the long run for anyone...

I have one person who's joined the site 4 times, I finally just blocked their IP address for now and put up a message for them saying you have been blocked due to excessive trial signups, please email us to obtain a full membership...

Ok, I see where you're coming from...

I guess it would be only fair to not pay a PPS for re-joins but a revshare after the initial join. Funny to see a flaw like this in NATS, I've guessed somebody would have thought about this already.

Guess it will be taken care of now.

Doctor Dre · 07-27-2006, 11:29 PM

The best thing to do would be that on the 2nd join they are taken to a member aera where only the first video of each set works... the others lead to a one click upgrade membership (paycom).

pornguy · 07-27-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by media

Yes, but with our cookies lasting so long we have some members getting $75 for one member within a month period on multiple occasions, I know it's great for a webmaster and all if this happens but we do not see this as good for business in the long run for anyone...

I have one person who's joined the site 4 times, I finally just blocked their IP address for now and put up a message for them saying you have been blocked due to excessive trial signups, please email us to obtain a full membership...

I see this as a great idea, and I would offer them a discounted rate if they do join, and then let it rebill at the normal rate.

BV · 07-27-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by media

Anyone using NATS using this option?

"Disallow for Old Members" on the pricing options for a site?

I'm thinking I might turn this on, we get some members joining a site 2-4 times on the one day trials and the 5 day trials to soak up memberships at their convenience... I think this would cut down on the slackasses that keep joining our sites...

another reason to not have a cheap trial

JOKER · 07-27-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

I see this as a great idea, and I would offer them a discounted rate if they do join, and then let it rebill at the normal rate.

You have to understand the mentality behind it. They only want to pay for the day when they're horny and actually use the site. They join many sites on a daily basis to keep the variety - why would they want to end up paying a rebilling schedule for them all when they only use them every other day.

A Coin-system works great for users like this.

media · 07-27-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

I see this as a great idea, and I would offer them a discounted rate if they do join, and then let it rebill at the normal rate.

I'm going to ask them about this, see if they can put "alternative pricing" into a feature for an update very soon, that would be a great way to get around someone just getting a message saying they are not allowed to join with this option, but rather something like "Our records show you have been a member before, how would you like to join today for one month for THIS PRICE!"

something like that would be more constructive I think aside from just turning on the dissalow option... which I will most likely be doing on all sites since I just now noticed this option...

JOKER · 07-27-2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by media

I'm going to ask them about this, see if they can put "alternative pricing" into a feature for an update very soon, that would be a great way to get around someone just getting a message saying they are not allowed to join with this option, but rather something like "Our records show you have been a member before, how would you like to join today for one month for THIS PRICE!"

something like that would be more constructive I think aside from just turning on the dissalow option... which I will most likely be doing on all sites since I just now noticed this option...

Why bother / force them with a monthly price when they really want to pay per day for the actual day that they use it?

Most don't even mind to pay $9.95 for that day, as long as they get what they want.

Now compare and do the math: 29.95 per month flat vs. 9.95 per day when the user uses the site lets say 4 times/days a month... with less bandwith used and less actual online-time

KrisKross · 07-27-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

Why bother / force them with a monthly price when they really want to pay per day for the actual day that they use it?

Most don't even mind to pay $9.95 for that day, as long as they get what they want.

Now compare and do the math: 29.95 per month flat vs. 9.95 per day when the user uses the site lets say 4 times/days a month... with less bandwith used and less actual online-time

Because it's a PPS program. The referring webmaster gets $35 per sale (or whatever PK pays). If the surfer is only paying $9.95, PK is losing $25 per sale.

media · 07-27-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

Because it's a PPS program. The referring webmaster gets $35 per sale (or whatever PK pays). If the surfer is only paying $9.95, PK is losing $25 per sale.

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner!!!!

Nathan · 07-28-2006, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

Ok, I see where you're coming from...

I guess it would be only fair to not pay a PPS for re-joins but a revshare after the initial join. Funny to see a flaw like this in NATS, I've guessed somebody would have thought about this already.

Guess it will be taken care of now.

This actually has nothing to do with a flaw, if a member joins and was referrered, the referrer gets credited, period. Wouldn't call this a flaw.

We have added the "disallow join option for old members" feature in v3 of NATS.

JOKER · 07-28-2006, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

Because it's a PPS program. The referring webmaster gets $35 per sale (or whatever PK pays). If the surfer is only paying $9.95, PK is losing $25 per sale.

Pay per initial sale would make more sense

PPS initial sale, then Revshare - a "day-surfer" that joins a few times per month is better than a surfer that is pissed and goes to the next site cause he doesnt want to get forced into a rebilling monthly schedule

JOKER · 07-28-2006, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

This actually has nothing to do with a flaw, if a member joins and was referrered, the referrer gets credited, period. Wouldn't call this a flaw.

We have added the "disallow join option for old members" feature in v3 of NATS.

You know what I meant.

Don't take everything as an insult to your product - it's a flaw in a way, as the Sponsor pays PPS everytime the same guy joins on a daily basis and could cause a huge profit-leak.

You've seen my ideas in this thread - use it or not, thats up to you and your customers.

d00t · 07-28-2006, 12:34 AM

Granted I have nfi how NATS works.... but our system matches emails/name on the join, if a match, then they are sent to a monthly price option with no trial. They also have the option to "re-activate" their membership based on previous information entered. A discount is applied to their monthly membership rate equal to the amount of $$ they have spent on their first trial signup.

To make it even more interesting, if the user is in any way matched to a webmaster account, it will flag both accounts.

Maybe NATS v190 will catch up to the rest hehe;)

JOKER · 07-28-2006, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

Because it's a PPS program. The referring webmaster gets $35 per sale (or whatever PK pays). If the surfer is only paying $9.95, PK is losing $25 per sale.

Also Upsells work quite well with these surfers, as the are "shopping" around quite a bit - so the Sponsor does not really have to lose money

Nathan · 07-28-2006, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

You know what I meant.

Don't take everything as an insult to your product - it's a flaw in a way, as the Sponsor pays PPS everytime the same guy joins on a daily basis and could cause a huge profit-leak.

You've seen my ideas in this thread - use it or not, thats up to you and your customers.

Didn't take it as an insult... and I'm happy people discuss features of NATS on the boards, helps us figure out what people want most.

I know that its a problem, of course it is, its also a good indication of fraud if it happends often.

That is why we added the feature, if we thought its not a problem we would not have added the feature of course...

KrisKross · 07-28-2006, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

Also Upsells work quite well with these surfers, as the are "shopping" around quite a bit - so the Sponsor does not really have to lose money

At $9.95 a pop for the surfer and a payout of $35 PPS, the upsell would have to generate an average of over $30 each time in order to cover the payout, the processing fees, the bandwith and earn even a slight profit for the program. This is obviously not likely at all.

The pay per initial and then revshare idea isn't a good solution either. Say it was $35 PPS and then 50% revshare. At $9.95, the surfer would have to signup 6-7 times at that rate in order to cover the payout, fees, bandwith and make a profit. Again, not likely.

Tempest · 07-28-2006, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by media

Yes, but with our cookies lasting so long we have some members getting $75 for one member within a month period on multiple occasions, I know it's great for a webmaster and all if this happens but we do not see this as good for business in the long run for anyone...

Raise your payout to $35/$30 and change the TOS to only pay out on a surfers initial trial sale. Since the cookie is what's costing you money, can't you use it to raise the trial price? i.e. $4.95/3 days and then $7 for a week etc.

Alky · 07-28-2006, 02:20 AM

isn't it kind of a cost of doing business?

i don't see anyone complaining when someone rebills for 12 months when they only had to pay out $35.

sure i would try and limit excessive trials... but a few i dont know.

JOKER · 07-28-2006, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

At $9.95 a pop for the surfer and a payout of $35 PPS, the upsell would have to generate an average of over $30 each time in order to cover the payout, the processing fees, the bandwith and earn even a slight profit for the program. This is obviously not likely at all.

The pay per initial and then revshare idea isn't a good solution either. Say it was $35 PPS and then 50% revshare. At $9.95, the surfer would have to signup 6-7 times at that rate in order to cover the payout, fees, bandwith and make a profit. Again, not likely.

Is that your program in your sig?

KrisKross · 07-28-2006, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

Is that your program in your sig?

No, it is not.

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d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	Granted I have nfi how NATS works.... but our system matches emails/name on the join, if a match, then they are sent to a monthly price option with no trial. They also have the option to "re-activate" their membership based on previous information entered. A discount is applied to their monthly membership rate equal to the amount of $$ they have spent on their first trial signup. To make it even more interesting, if the user is in any way matched to a webmaster account, it will flag both accounts. Maybe NATS v190 will catch up to the rest hehe;) Last edited by d00t; 07-28-2006 at 12:36 AM..

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Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	isn't it kind of a cost of doing business? i don't see anyone complaining when someone rebills for 12 months when they only had to pay out $35. sure i would try and limit excessive trials... but a few i dont know.