Why the 3rd world is what it is

[fr0gman]

Here is why the 3rd world will always be ?3rd world?.

When you look at all of the geographical, social and economic walls that the internet has dissolved and you would think that people with even moderate computer skills that live in 3rd world countries would have taken the opportunity to used the internet to rise above their situation. But they don?t!

Take sites like ScriptLance. A decent web designer with PHP skills, living in Asia or Eastern Europe ?could? use a site like this to catapult him/herself into a much better economic situation in a relatively short period of time. But they don?t!

Instead of marketing themselves at what Western clients are willing to pay they continually cut the price down to a level that keeps them sealed in relative poverty and unable to exercise the same options that they ?could? have if they simply followed the lead of the Western service providers. Not only does this price-slashing mentality keep 3rd world programmers from realizing the full potential of the internet but it all but eliminates any possibility for American/Canadian/UK programmers from securing work in the same channels.

The 3rd world will always be the 3rd world because they have never tasted the freedom that comes from having excess income. They relegate themselves to their situation by performing skilled labor for rates far below that of short order cooks in more developed countries.

A MESSAGE TO ALL 3RD WORLD SERVICE PROVIDERS:

The market will support a far greater price than what you are asking. Until you understand that and put it into practice you will never be able to rise above your current position and gain the respect of Westerners.

[Dirty Dane]

The Nigerian scammers are doing fine

[Kimo]

amen to that my brother!

[potter]

I'm sorry, but I've seen the scripting and code work that comes from these outsourced third world countries. It's the absolute shittiest code I've ever seen. No imagination, or open minded ideas. No cutting edge methods or technology is used. There just isn't a artistic passion to the work. Everyone knows the saying "you get what you pay for", and with that I say I've seen the reason why ther prices are so low.

[fr0gman]

Originally Posted by potter

I'm sorry, but I've seen the scripting and code work that comes from these outsourced third world countries. It's the absolute shittiest code I've ever seen. No imagination, or open minded ideas. No cutting edge methods or technology is used. There just isn't a artistic passion to the work. Everyone knows the saying "you get what you pay for", and with that I say I've seen the reason why ther prices are so low.

Shitty code and lack of passion aside... People are still paying them and THAT is what hurts the industry as a whole.

Honestly, I do not want to work for someone who is out there looking for 25.00 coders and it makes my laugh, like tonight I bid $3500.00 on a project that all of the 3rd worlders were bidding 90.00 on the I walked away with the deal.

My point is that they are pricing themselves into perpetual poverty.

[fastfun]

What is the best:
1 - Work 12 hours a day to make enough money to buy a car you don't have time to drive
2 - Live a more simple life where it don't matter if you work that one day, because your bills can be payed by 15days of work a month

Is suicide rates lower in the US than lets say India? is murder or rape?
Answer is "no" So please tell me - why is your life so much greater?

If you had ever tried to hire work from a 3'th world country more than 10 times, you would see a pattern that most of us that HAVE tried feared - the two worlds work ethics is not compatible. Things dont get done on time, and the result is not always good enough.

3'th world country = no quality control = you as the customer is fucked

[Antonio]

Eastern Europe is a 3rd World? muhahahahahahaha

[fr0gman]

Originally Posted by fastfun

What is the best:
1 - Work 12 hours a day to make enough money to buy a car you don't have time to drive
2 - Live a more simple life where it don't matter if you work that one day, because your bills can be payed by 15days of work a month

Is suicide rates lower in the US than lets say India? is murder or rape?
Answer is "no" So please tell me - why is your life so much greater?

If you had ever tried to hire work from a 3'th world country more than 10 times, you would see a pattern that most of us that HAVE tried feared - the two worlds work ethics is not compatible. Things dont get done on time, and the result is not always good enough.

3'th world country = no quality control = you as the customer is fucked

I am completely confused by your post. I have read it for the "3th" time and it makes lees sense the more I read it.

At first I thought that you were on the PRO "3th" World bandwagon but then you condemn their quality and work ethics.

Bottom line is when it comes to E-stuff nothing good comes from the "3th" world.

[joshll]

Bump Bump Bump

[fr0gman]

Originally Posted by Antonio

Eastern Europe is a 3rd World? muhahahahahahaha

I stand corrected. Read = Former Bloc Countries

[s9ann0]

what is a genius like you doing wasting your time on GFY?

[fastfun]

Originally Posted by fr0gman

I am completely confused by your post. I have read it for the "3th" time and it makes lees sense the more I read it.

At first I thought that you were on the PRO "3th" World bandwagon but then you condemn their quality and work ethics.

Bottom line is when it comes to E-stuff nothing good comes from the "3th" world.

Let me clarify for you then.

1 - Rich country is not always = better
2 - Cheap labor is just that - cheap, you get what you pay for.

If i should explain myself in detail, I would have to write a long explanation regarding the economy of a 3rd world country, the export rules and ethics. But since its Gofuckyourself.com, I wont invest the time in that.

It seems to me you have your information on 3rd world countries from the popular media. Do your homework, the world is not like Fox-news say it is.

[fr0gman]

Originally Posted by spanno

what is a genius like you doing wasting your time on GFY?

Everyone has to be someplace... How's Tomato Town this time of year?

[Scott McD]

Fuck the 3rd world...

[fr0gman]

Originally Posted by fastfun

Let me clarify for you then.

Ok give it a shot...

1 - Rich country is not always = better

You know who fosters this idea? POOR people! I don't give a rats-ass-in-a-top-hat where you are, RICH beats POOR everytime, hands-down, no question. If you don't believe me ask one (any one) rich person to trade places with a 3rd world gutter snipe and report the reaction.

2 - Cheap labor is just that - cheap, you get what you pay for.

It is the fact that 3rd world service providers undercut their prices that makes this statement true. Go to some of the resort cities in Mexico where people earn primarily DOLLARS and see the level of service that you get. It is 2nd to none.

When people are earning enough to make the next "level up" seem possible their quality of service also improves. As long as 3rd worlders are doing work for sub-standard prices they will be producing sub-standard work.

Originally Posted by fastfun

If i should explain myself in detail, I would have to write a long explanation regarding the economy of a 3rd world country, the export rules and ethics. But since its Gofuckyourself.com, I wont invest the time in that.

Please do expound on your theories. I am sure that I am not the only one interested.

Originally Posted by fastfun

It seems to me you have your information on 3rd world countries from the popular media. Do your homework, the world is not like Fox-news say it is.

See that is where you are wrong. I get my information from the Real World-News and it tells me that as long as we have sweaty workers in dirty 3rd world countries willing to whore themselves out for pennies on the dollar we will continue to have 3rd world countries.

[sexybabe]

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[fastfun]

Originally Posted by fr0gman

Ok give it a shot...

1 - Rich country is not always = better

You know who fosters this idea? POOR people! I don't give a rats-ass-in-a-top-hat where you are, RICH beats POOR everytime, hands-down, no question. If you don't believe me ask one (any one) rich person to trade places with a 3rd world gutter snipe and report the reaction.

Not only dont you get it, but you also failt to read what I wrote, or at least put words in my mouth I have never spoken

I said:
1 - Rich country is not always = better

I did NOT say:
1 - Rich country is NEVER = better
or
1 - Poor country = better than rich country

The only thing you said I agree on is "As long as 3rd worlders are doing work for sub-standard prices they will be producing sub-standard work."

It is exactly what I said, and the reason they do it, is because its good enough for them

Like most other people you simply just don't get the fact that thy don't want your lifestyle. Its as simple as that - they are not motivated to "go to the next level" because for them its not the next level.

Everybody wants the money - yes god damn it, no-one is denying that. Look at how things are in Spain, Italy or France where thousands of African refugees jump the border. Well inside the country do they adapt to the living-standard of the country? 96% dont. They keep living the lazy-ass lowlife they did where they came from. This time the Clay-house is just a government sponsored housing project instead. And they cant kill the animals in the local park. But its the same shit

I have seen it over and over again when I lived in Honduras, South Africa and Guam. People were offered work to a full pay, but they dont deliver the standard we want. So let them live their life as they want - stop trying to save them as some modern-day economist missionary preaching the word of the rich. they dont have the same "God" and they dont want to go to your "heaven"

[fr0gman]

I have been redeemed! Washed in the blood. Born again!

Now I am tired and must sleep... We will revisit this discussion later.

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by fr0gman

1 - Rich country is not always = better

You know who fosters this idea? POOR people! I don't give a rats-ass-in-a-top-hat where you are, RICH beats POOR everytime, hands-down, no question.

It would be a heck of a lot more accurate to say that it is better to be rich and stop at that. Being at the bottom of your particular economic ladder isn't a whole lot of fun wherever you are.

Originally Posted by fr0gman

When people are earning enough to make the next "level up" seem possible their quality of service also improves. As long as 3rd worlders are doing work for sub-standard prices they will be producing sub-standard work.

Work standards begin as what is acceptable locally and then are driven by customers (and bosses where applicable). Of course there is a correlation between increasing income and exposure to non-local influences, but it is misleading to claim that increasing income is itself the engine of change.

Originally Posted by fr0gman

...as long as we have sweaty workers in dirty 3rd world countries willing to whore themselves out for pennies on the dollar we will continue to have 3rd world countries.

There goes the majority of economic theory along with a whole lot of realities.

Mr Average will produce the work of which he is capable according to the standards and ethics which are the norm for his location. If he is trained, supervised, or loses business because he isn't good enough to compete, he will do better. It makes no difference whether he lives in New York or New Delhi.

Next, why would anyone from Europe or the US work with someone from a different culture (since regardless of whose way is best, their ways will certainly be different) and suffer the inconveniences of different time zones, if low prices were not on offer? Price competition is hardly unknown here, so why shouldn't a Third-World worker, who can live very well on prices which would equate to poverty here, use that to his advantage?

Third World equals low wages equals appeal to businesses in richer countries. Money moves from rich countries to poor, the local economy improves, prices rise, consumerism spreads, the economy improves further, etc. There is a parallel decline in the economies of the countries which sourced these improvements. You might want to be careful what you wish for.

[madko]

Originally Posted by fastfun

Let me clarify for you then.

1 - Rich country is not always = better
2 - Cheap labor is just that - cheap, you get what you pay for.

If i should explain myself in detail, I would have to write a long explanation regarding the economy of a 3rd world country, the export rules and ethics. But since its Gofuckyourself.com, I wont invest the time in that.

It seems to me you have your information on 3rd world countries from the popular media. Do your homework, the world is not like Fox-news say it is.

in my opinion u should do your homework before u speak
if u are so smart...how the fuck your sites look like that..and how the fuck this looks so good? xginger.com malemature.com

[madko]

Originally Posted by jayeff

It would be a heck of a lot more accurate to say that it is better to be rich and stop at that. Being at the bottom of your particular economic ladder isn't a whole lot of fun wherever you are.



Work standards begin as what is acceptable locally and then are driven by customers (and bosses where applicable). Of course there is a correlation between increasing income and exposure to non-local influences, but it is misleading to claim that increasing income is itself the engine of change.



There goes the majority of economic theory along with a whole lot of realities.

Mr Average will produce the work of which he is capable according to the standards and ethics which are the norm for his location. If he is trained, supervised, or loses business because he isn't good enough to compete, he will do better. It makes no difference whether he lives in New York or New Delhi.

Next, why would anyone from Europe or the US work with someone from a different culture (since regardless of whose way is best, their ways will certainly be different) and suffer the inconveniences of different time zones, if low prices were not on offer? Price competition is hardly unknown here, so why shouldn't a Third-World worker, who can live very well on prices which would equate to poverty here, use that to his advantage?

Third World equals low wages equals appeal to businesses in richer countries. Money moves from rich countries to poor, the local economy improves, prices rise, consumerism spreads, the economy improves further, etc. There is a parallel decline in the economies of the countries which sourced these improvements. You might want to be careful what you wish for.

i guess u r the only one here to seems to understand how things really r

[ezrydn]

Nice part about living in the "3rd world" of Mexico? We don't have any nukes around here nor do we have the entire global family pissed at us. We get stuff done, our way, in our time. Don't forget, I'm a US expat vet. Yet, I'm becoming more and more Mexican every day. Do I miss all that "1st world" bullshit that you whinners just know you can't live without? Not one bit. I'm not anti-US. Just fed up with how my country turned out to be. Oh, an my son-in-law here is a damned fine coder. He's helped me out of many a bind.

[fastfun]

Originally Posted by madko

in my opinion u should do your homework before u speak
if u are so smart...how the fuck your sites look like that..and how the fuck this looks so good? xginger.com malemature.com

First of all, those are not my sites - I dont even know why you think im related to those. You must be "special" or something. Go back to your 3rd world country and learn ENGRISH before you start charging full price.
You are prove that what I said above is true, so thank you for helping me out

[Stumps]

Originally Posted by Antonio

Eastern Europe is a 3rd World? muhahahahahahaha

id say second world

[KRL]

3rd world people primarily lack education and economic opportunities and generally live under oppressive governments that don't want an educated populace nor a middle class. You usually see 99% poor folks and 1% ultra wealthy run the country and industries and exploiting the living fuck out of them.