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Verbal Kint · 07-25-2006, 11:47 AM

He might be OK what do I know, I never did business with him and I never will cause a man that are willing to cheat in a contest for $50 is not someone I want to deal with.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/617972-pussycash-pay-cheaters-woj-sandman.html

If he is willing to be involved in cheating in the contests on this board what else is he willing to do?

Verbal Kint · 07-25-2006, 05:28 PM

Verbal Kint · 07-25-2006, 05:29 PM

Oh and I better add that woj tried to justify on ICQ that it was OK to cheat cause "there is enough prizes for everyone"

Jace · 07-25-2006, 05:31 PM

talking to yourself there?

DamageX · 07-25-2006, 05:40 PM

polish_aristocrat · 07-28-2006, 03:50 PM

drama alert 3/10

Godsmack · 07-28-2006, 03:58 PM

Hehehehhe..... god...

The Ghost · 07-28-2006, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

drama alert 3/10

Sandman has a TON of traffic...

Woj's answer made me

...

... and get your own bot. They seem to be all the rage.

CDSmith · 07-28-2006, 04:08 PM

I know of Sandman, he's been around a long time. Who is this "verbal kint"?

Never heard of him (or her)

polle54 · 07-28-2006, 04:10 PM

you seem broke..

why the fuck are you bitching about this?

pr0 · 07-28-2006, 04:11 PM

Know what we do to rat bitchs around here verbal?

sandman! · 07-28-2006, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verbal Kint

He might be OK what do I know, I never did business with him and I never will cause a man that are willing to cheat in a contest for $50 is not someone I want to deal with.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/617972-pussycash-pay-cheaters-woj-sandman.html

If he is willing to be involved in cheating in the contests on this board what else is he willing to do?

still sore that your not winning enought contests ?

You surfers crack me up.

Quickdraw · 07-28-2006, 04:13 PM

rather have them win than all the surfers plaguing this place anyway

pr0 · 07-28-2006, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman!

still sore that your not winning enought contests ?

You surfers crack me up.

i know right...the guy even stole his username from fucking....the usual suspects & shit

loser

sandman! · 07-28-2006, 04:17 PM

buy links please https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/636654-text-links-network-sites-million-hits-day-traffic-99-month.html

so i dont end up being a broke looser like some people that count on contst winning to pay their bills

Theo · 07-28-2006, 04:17 PM

never had problem with sandman, you think a bot in a board full of kids will make me change my mind? ;-)

baddog · 07-28-2006, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verbal Kint

He might be OK what do I know

not too much

Doctor Dre · 07-28-2006, 05:03 PM

I've known sandman! for years and done business with him before... he's a good guy.

CaptainHowdy · 07-28-2006, 05:09 PM

;( !!

Verbal Kint · 07-28-2006, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman!

still sore that your not winning enought contests ?

You surfers crack me up.

Naaah I won my share and then some, but I play fair, cheaters make me sick.
And I am not a surfer.

Verbal Kint · 07-28-2006, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman!

buy links please https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/636654-text-links-network-sites-million-hits-day-traffic-99-month.html

so i dont end up being a broke looser like some people that count on contst winning to pay their bills

I don't I have a nice job and a couple of sites on the side.
I guess you do need the extra money why would you else participate in cheating in contests?

Verbal Kint · 07-28-2006, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

Know what we do to rat bitchs around here verbal?

Thats one thing I never understood.
Its OK to scam, lie and cheat but not expose the scammers, liars and cheaters?

Michael O · 07-28-2006, 05:18 PM

Oh yeah I am posting as Verbal Kint.

I have a nick for business and one for when I surf the board on my time off.

sandman! · 07-28-2006, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verbal Kint

I don't I have a nice job and a couple of sites on the side.
I guess you do need the extra money why would you else participate in cheating in contests?

never mind you posted with your real nick.

sandman! · 07-28-2006, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Oh yeah I am posting as Verbal Kint.

I have a nick for business and one for when I surf the board on my time off.

whats your epass ?

i will send you $50 since it seems to need it alot more then i do

Michael O · 07-28-2006, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman!

whats your epass ?

i will send you $50 since it seems to need it alot more then i do

I do OK and don't need your money.
I just don't like scammers and cheaters and expose them if I can.

Instead give me an explanation on how come you and woj always post next to each other?

The Ghost · 07-28-2006, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Oh yeah I am posting as Verbal Kint.

I have a nick for business and one for when I surf the board on my time off.

No such thing as free time for you.

The Ghost · 07-28-2006, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

I do OK and don't need your money.
I just don't like scammers and cheaters and expose them if I can.

Instead give me an explanation on how come you and woj always post next to each other?

You really do have a fake nick?

CDSmith · 07-28-2006, 05:45 PM

I thought you needed hard proof that someone is "scamming, lying and cheating",

not just "a feeling" or suspicions.

And, is this true? Keyser using a fake nick? Well this IS a thread already full of surprises!

I never would have thought.

polish_aristocrat · 07-28-2006, 05:49 PM

uh seems like the escalating drama is my fault, this thread was already 2 days old but I saw it and bumped it today

Matt 26z · 07-28-2006, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith

is this true? Keyser using a fake nick? Well this IS a thread already full of surprises!

People generally try to hide fake nicks, not announce from the start that they have a second one for non-business like Keyser did.

baddog · 07-28-2006, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Oh yeah I am posting as Verbal Kint.

I have a nick for business and one for when I surf the board on my time off.

simply amazing

sandman! · 07-28-2006, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

I do OK and don't need your money.
I just don't like scammers and cheaters and expose them if I can.

Instead give me an explanation on how come you and woj always post next to each other?

calling me a scammer and a cheater when you cant follow gfy rules yourself?

5. Multiple personalities are not allowed. If you have multiple personalities we will find out about you and we will shut down all your accounts. Also if you post under someone else's account and do it to break the rules, or they break the rules and we tie you to them. We will ban you and them. This is just like carrying someone else's bags at the airport. Don't do it.

You just made yourself look like a complete ass for the sake of some contests.

baddog · 07-28-2006, 05:58 PM

What I don't understand is why you didn't have the balls to start this thread with the your primary handle.

sandman! · 07-28-2006, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

What I don't understand is why you didn't have the balls to start this thread with the your primary handle.

im guessing he is afraid of getting his ass chewed out by his boss

CDSmith · 07-28-2006, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

People generally try to hide fake nicks, not announce from the start that they have a second one for non-business like Keyser did.

Are... are you today's Captain Obvious? :D

Did Keyser make a mistake and post as himself instead of his fake nick, or was that post made on purpose. On this point I AM actually a bit confused.

I knew this Verbal Kint had to be somebody known, because rare is it that the raw newbie comes on here flaming anyone, especially a long-timer.

If there's solid proof of what he's saying I have no problem with it. Otherwise...

baddog · 07-28-2006, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman!

im guessing he is afraid of getting his ass chewed out by his boss

I know he has lost a few points already.

The Ghost · 07-28-2006, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith

If there's solid proof of what he's saying I have no problem with it. Otherwise...

I can agree with this.

polish_aristocrat · 07-28-2006, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

I know he has lost a few points already.

well he's an epassporte rep. and regarded by many on GFY as the most professional and helpful epassporte employee

how exactly can he lose a few points? ok, he can lose a few points in your eyes for some reason, but it doesnt effect him in any way at all

Michael O · 07-28-2006, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Are... are you today's Captain Obvious? :D

Did Keyser make a mistake and post as himself instead of his fake nick, or was that post made on purpose. On this point I AM actually a bit confused.

I knew this Verbal Kint had to be somebody known, because rare is it that the raw newbie comes on here flaming anyone, especially a long-timer.

If there's solid proof of what he's saying I have no problem with it. Otherwise...

I posted it was me on purpose, I have never hidden that Verbal is my nick, then I would have choosen a different one.

Reason is that I when I am off the clock I would like to be able to post on the board and play in the contests.
If I did that under my own nick and had ICQ turned off people needing support would probably get pissed.

Sandman please explain how you and woj can post so close together 9/10 times and I will gladly apologize and make it up to you.

polish_aristocrat · 07-28-2006, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman!

calling me a scammer and a cheater when you cant follow gfy rules yourself?

5. Multiple personalities are not allowed. If you have multiple personalities we will find out about you and we will shut down all your accounts. Also if you post under someone else's account and do it to break the rules, or they break the rules and we tie you to them. We will ban you and them. This is just like carrying someone else's bags at the airport. Don't do it.

You just made yourself look like a complete ass for the sake of some contests.

that rule is more or less dead already, same as the "no personal attacks" rule

CDSmith · 07-28-2006, 06:10 PM

Well it's no secret I am no fan of fake nicks, anon aliases, or known posters hiding behind them to flame etc. I think it's frankly a very cowardly thing to do.

Having said that, I've known Keyser's board persona and have seen his posts for many years on the boards, and he's always been okay in my book.

So I'll walk away from this thread now....

(but will probably lurk and watch for an outcome, posted proof if any, etc)

Michael O · 07-28-2006, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman!

im guessing he is afraid of getting his ass chewed out by his boss

If ePassporte want to censor my posts and my opinions they can go ahead.
I have always spoken my mind and my opinions thats the person I am and if that will get me into trouble then I can live with that.

Michael O · 07-28-2006, 06:12 PM

Again Sandman please explain to me how you and woj can post back to back in the contests every single time.
Thats all I ask.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman!

i am not sandman!

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman!

whoops i mean im not woj

LOL

your a fool go troll somewhere else

CDSmith · 07-28-2006, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

I posted it was me on purpose, I have never hidden that Verbal is my nick, then I would have choosen a different one.

Reason is that I when I am off the clock I would like to be able to post on the board and play in the contests.
If I did that under my own nick and had ICQ turned off people needing support would probably get pissed.

Sandman please explain how you and woj can post so close together 9/10 times and I will gladly apologize and make it up to you.

Okay, didn't see this post when I posted above.

My only remaining question then would be.... isn't it up to you to post solid proof? Or are we really that comfortable with being able to accuse someone without real proof and put the onus on them to prove their innocence?

Anyway, good luck in any case. :D

polish_aristocrat · 07-28-2006, 06:17 PM

Keyser, I guess the problem here is that this industry is in general not based on fairness and honesty, f.e on this board you have open admiration for spammers etc

and moreover and especialy - in this case - the problem is that the "posting contests" aren't necessarly regarded as something important by most people, they are populated in 80% by bots and surfers, often probably with fake nicknames

sure, you can win a few hundred $$$ here and there and so did I, but in general hardly anyone probably understands your frustration that's why people in this thread were supporting sandman, not you

Cory W · 07-28-2006, 06:18 PM

I have bought traffic from Sandman! and the deal was fine.

Seems like a good guy.

CDSmith · 07-28-2006, 06:19 PM

Oh, and Keyser, nowhere in the "Verbal Kint" posts does it indicate to anyone that he is you, that you are him.... you know what I mean. :D

Shouldn't you have put it in the sig area, something like "This is Keyser" or something?

Again, I'm sorry but the whole fake nick thing just doesn't work for me, and I'm sure now you can see why.

I wish everyone would just use ONE nick, and if you have something to say to someone then say it yourself, business or no business.

There'd certainly be a lot less confusion. (for me anyway) :D

polish_aristocrat · 07-28-2006, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Again Sandman please explain to me how you and woj can post back to back in the contests every single time.
Thats all I ask.

sandman is not woj although they are both from Chicago

sandman goes to conventions also, woj doesn't

even judging by the GFY personas Im pretty sure they are different individuals ;-)

Michael O · 07-28-2006, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Okay, didn't see this post when I posted above.

My only remaining question then would be.... isn't it up to you to post solid proof? Or are we really that comfortable with being able to accuse someone without real proof and put the onus on them to prove their innocence?

Anyway, good luck in any case. :D

There is no hard proof but plenty of circumstantial evidence.
Like them almost everytime posting back to back 9/10 times.
Sandman! taking time to post at 1-4am when he was at the Redneck Getaway.
The I am not Sandman post.

Polish.
I understand that, I won more than most in the contests on this board but I always played fair and for me its the principle of cheaters getting paid.

07-25-2006, 11:47 AM	#1
Verbal Kint Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,013	Just a heads up before you do business with Sandman! He might be OK what do I know, I never did business with him and I never will cause a man that are willing to cheat in a contest for $50 is not someone I want to deal with. https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/617972-pussycash-pay-cheaters-woj-sandman.html If he is willing to be involved in cheating in the contests on this board what else is he willing to do?

07-25-2006, 05:40 PM	#5
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07-28-2006, 03:50 PM	#6
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07-28-2006, 04:08 PM	#9
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07-25-2006, 05:28 PM	#2
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07-25-2006, 05:29 PM	#3
Verbal Kint Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,013	Oh and I better add that woj tried to justify on ICQ that it was OK to cheat cause "there is enough prizes for everyone"

07-25-2006, 05:31 PM	#4
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07-28-2006, 04:10 PM	#10
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07-28-2006, 04:11 PM	#11
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07-28-2006, 04:13 PM	#13
Quickdraw Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: → → → Posts: 1,717	rather have them win than all the surfers plaguing this place anyway

07-28-2006, 04:17 PM	#15
sandman! Icq: 14420613 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: chicago Posts: 15,432	buy links please https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/636654-text-links-network-sites-million-hits-day-traffic-99-month.html so i dont end up being a broke looser like some people that count on contst winning to pay their bills

07-28-2006, 04:17 PM	#16
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	never had problem with sandman, you think a bot in a board full of kids will make me change my mind? ;-)

07-28-2006, 05:09 PM	#19
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07-28-2006, 05:18 PM	#23
Michael O More Cowbell Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nakhom Nowhere Posts: 10,607	Oh yeah I am posting as Verbal Kint. I have a nick for business and one for when I surf the board on my time off. __________________ Truth Teller

07-28-2006, 05:45 PM	#29
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	I thought you needed hard proof that someone is "scamming, lying and cheating", not just "a feeling" or suspicions. And, is this true? Keyser using a fake nick? Well this IS a thread already full of surprises! I never would have thought. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

07-28-2006, 05:49 PM	#30
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	uh seems like the escalating drama is my fault, this thread was already 2 days old but I saw it and bumped it today __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

07-28-2006, 05:58 PM	#34
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	What I don't understand is why you didn't have the balls to start this thread with the your primary handle.

07-28-2006, 06:10 PM	#42
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Well it's no secret I am no fan of fake nicks, anon aliases, or known posters hiding behind them to flame etc. I think it's frankly a very cowardly thing to do. Having said that, I've known Keyser's board persona and have seen his posts for many years on the boards, and he's always been okay in my book. So I'll walk away from this thread now.... (but will probably lurk and watch for an outcome, posted proof if any, etc) __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

07-28-2006, 06:17 PM	#46
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	Keyser, I guess the problem here is that this industry is in general not based on fairness and honesty, f.e on this board you have open admiration for spammers etc and moreover and especialy - in this case - the problem is that the "posting contests" aren't necessarly regarded as something important by most people, they are populated in 80% by bots and surfers, often probably with fake nicknames sure, you can win a few hundred $$$ here and there and so did I, but in general hardly anyone probably understands your frustration that's why people in this thread were supporting sandman, not you __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

07-28-2006, 06:18 PM	#47
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07-28-2006, 06:19 PM	#48
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Oh, and Keyser, nowhere in the "Verbal Kint" posts does it indicate to anyone that he is you, that you are him.... you know what I mean. :D Shouldn't you have put it in the sig area, something like "This is Keyser" or something? Again, I'm sorry but the whole fake nick thing just doesn't work for me, and I'm sure now you can see why. I wish everyone would just use ONE nick, and if you have something to say to someone then say it yourself, business or no business. There'd certainly be a lot less confusion. (for me anyway) :D __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634