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angelsofporn · 06-09-2002, 12:12 PM

The new version of IE filters out 3rd party cookies by default ...whats the deal with this....Is anyone doing anything about this? Which version of IE does this? Is it already out?

XxXotic · 06-09-2002, 12:15 PM

I.E 6 does this, check this article out....

IE6 3rd Party Cookies Info

angelsofporn · 06-09-2002, 12:18 PM

Thats the article i read...is this referring to the new versiuon that isnt released yet?

LoveAsianChicks · 06-09-2002, 12:22 PM

I'm thinking about dropping all sponsors which currently track sales with cookies only. You have to figure at least 20-30% of the surfers have cookies disabled or being blocked. This % will just increase & increase over time.

angelsofporn · 06-09-2002, 12:24 PM

When is it going to be released?

Petr · 06-09-2002, 12:31 PM

That article contains lots of false info. I have already pointed out all the mistakes on the oprano board so I will make it brief here:

MSIE 6.x refuses third party cookies ONLY IF the server placing the cookies DOESN'T HAVE a compact policy in its http header. You simply have to add one single line to the http header and MSIE 6.x will accept cookies just fine. Also, cookies are not programs and PHP is not a method of tracking sales. The person who wrote the article doesn't understand the issue.

To sum it up - cookies are no problem at all.

Goonx · 06-09-2002, 12:33 PM

mmmm...... cookies ....

angelsofporn · 06-09-2002, 12:35 PM

Say you are promoting a sponsor....its up to the sponsor to be compliant? Or must you have this header on your promo page even though the sponsor link itself adds the cookie...? When does this version of IE come out?

awolf · 06-09-2002, 01:09 PM

It was released last year. Microsoft has released several different versions with out changing the version number. XP beta testers had a version that blocked all cookies by default and the version of IE6 that was available right before XP was released blocked all cookies by default. It was not a common version and there are probably very few copies of it left. There was a thread on this at the MSN tech board. They had a lot of surfers that couldn?t figure out how to login to their accounts after upgrading to IE6.

Petr · 06-09-2002, 01:27 PM

angelsofporn, the server placing the cookie has to have the compact policy in its header. so to answer your question - the sponsor places the cookie, the sponsor has to have the policy.

LoveAsianChicks · 06-09-2002, 01:43 PM

what code must the sponsor place on their website?

I'd like to click-thru on a few links and see if they are using that text you mentioned.
I find this a big issue but sponsors don't give a fuck cause they benefit from all the sales which weren't tracked.

pr0view · 06-09-2002, 01:55 PM

-- wrong topic --

pr0view · 06-09-2002, 02:03 PM

why do you care about 3rd party cookies? who uses them on his sites and pages? for isntance, ccbill's cookies ARE NOT 3rd party because they are set when the surfer CLICKS on the link.

i believe that only counters set 3rd party cookies.

Petr · 06-09-2002, 02:27 PM

LoveAsianChicks, I repeat, it's not on the website, it's in the http header. Look what doubleclick.com has in the http header and find the CP line in it.

titmowse · 06-09-2002, 04:43 PM

"LoveAsianChicks, I repeat, it's not on the website, it's in the http header. Look what doubleclick.com has in the http header and find the CP line in it."

better yet, look in the headers of all your sponsor's stuff, especially their tour pages. interesting what you will/won't find.

jimmyf · 06-09-2002, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Petr
LoveAsianChicks, I repeat, it's not on the website, it's in the http header. Look what doubleclick.com has in the http header and find the CP line in it.

petr, thanks for posting this. I went to doubleclick and do not see what you are talking about.

Kimmykim · 06-09-2002, 10:55 PM

Read the docs at Microsoft and that should explain it to you -- what is a third party cookie, what is a first party cookie, etc.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q290294

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...privacyfaq.asp

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...cysettings.asp

PicsULove · 06-10-2002, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LoveAsianChicks
I'm thinking about dropping all sponsors which currently track sales with cookies only. You have to figure at least 20-30% of the surfers have cookies disabled or being blocked. This % will just increase & increase over time.

which sponsors do this? isnt this a little old skewl?
________
www.PicsULove.com dawg :D

Petr · 06-10-2002, 01:59 AM

The http header must contain a like like this:

P3P: CP="NOI DSP CURa PSAa PSDa OUR STP COM NAV STA"

And that's all. Problem solved.

Petr · 06-10-2002, 02:12 AM

"etter yet, look in the headers of all your sponsor's stuff, especially their tour pages. interesting what you will/won't find."

Titmowse, it really amazes me that someone can publish an article on a rather a technical issue with no understanding basic things. Well, that's the problem of Internet, I guess.

You wrote about cookies but you don't know they are not programs (they are txt files).

You wrote about PHP being a method of tracking sales but you don't know that PHP is not a method, it's a programming language.

You say MSIE 6.x blocks 3rd party cookies but you don't know that this is the case ONLY IF the server doesn't have a compact policy.

And now you are mixing HTTP headers and WEBPAGE headers which are totally different things.

Titmowse, a word of advice - please, next time when you feel like you have to write about something, write about something YOU KNOW. I understand you've had good intentions but this article with so many half-truths and mistakes only confuses webmasters.

titmowse · 06-10-2002, 03:18 AM

actually, i amended the article to correct the actual discrepancies you pointed out somewhere in between your vitriolic inanities.

thanks.

Petr · 06-10-2002, 05:01 AM

fine, so Titmowse finally admitted that the original article was pure nonsense... I can't wait for her/his (?) another article on some technical subject... that should be entertaining again...

mike503 · 06-12-2002, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Petr
The http header must contain a like like this:

P3P: CP="NOI DSP CURa PSAa PSDa OUR STP COM NAV STA"

And that's all. Problem solved.

so i can add this to my default php setup and everything is cool? just a header("P3P: CP="NOI DSP CURa PSAa PSDa OUR STP COM NAV STA"); at the top of all my shit? or maybe just set this up in apache as a default header to send..?

how does this make privacy any better. it sounds like all companies have to do is add this and they're "trusted" again..?

06-09-2002, 12:12 PM	#1
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	3rd party cookies The new version of IE filters out 3rd party cookies by default ...whats the deal with this....Is anyone doing anything about this? Which version of IE does this? Is it already out?

06-09-2002, 12:15 PM	#2
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06-09-2002, 02:03 PM	#13
pr0view Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Europe Posts: 270	why do you care about 3rd party cookies? who uses them on his sites and pages? for isntance, ccbill's cookies ARE NOT 3rd party because they are set when the surfer CLICKS on the link. i believe that only counters set 3rd party cookies. __________________ Make your surfers happy on my bandwidth Need voyeur content (pictures and videos)? Hit me on ICQ 83581235

06-09-2002, 04:43 PM	#15
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	"LoveAsianChicks, I repeat, it's not on the website, it's in the http header. Look what doubleclick.com has in the http header and find the CP line in it." better yet, look in the headers of all your sponsor's stuff, especially their tour pages. interesting what you will/won't find. __________________ I still love everybody

06-09-2002, 12:18 PM	#3
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	Thats the article i read...is this referring to the new versiuon that isnt released yet?

06-09-2002, 12:22 PM	#4
LoveAsianChicks Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: -CANADA- Posts: 1,464	I'm thinking about dropping all sponsors which currently track sales with cookies only. You have to figure at least 20-30% of the surfers have cookies disabled or being blocked. This % will just increase & increase over time.

06-09-2002, 12:24 PM	#5
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	When is it going to be released?

06-09-2002, 12:31 PM	#6
Petr Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 502	That article contains lots of false info. I have already pointed out all the mistakes on the oprano board so I will make it brief here: MSIE 6.x refuses third party cookies ONLY IF the server placing the cookies DOESN'T HAVE a compact policy in its http header. You simply have to add one single line to the http header and MSIE 6.x will accept cookies just fine. Also, cookies are not programs and PHP is not a method of tracking sales. The person who wrote the article doesn't understand the issue. To sum it up - cookies are no problem at all.

06-09-2002, 12:33 PM	#7
Goonx Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,048	mmmm...... cookies ....

06-09-2002, 12:35 PM	#8
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	Say you are promoting a sponsor....its up to the sponsor to be compliant? Or must you have this header on your promo page even though the sponsor link itself adds the cookie...? When does this version of IE come out?

06-09-2002, 01:09 PM	#9
awolf Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tennessee Posts: 12	It was released last year. Microsoft has released several different versions with out changing the version number. XP beta testers had a version that blocked all cookies by default and the version of IE6 that was available right before XP was released blocked all cookies by default. It was not a common version and there are probably very few copies of it left. There was a thread on this at the MSN tech board. They had a lot of surfers that couldn?t figure out how to login to their accounts after upgrading to IE6.

06-09-2002, 01:27 PM	#10
Petr Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 502	angelsofporn, the server placing the cookie has to have the compact policy in its header. so to answer your question - the sponsor places the cookie, the sponsor has to have the policy.

06-09-2002, 01:43 PM	#11
LoveAsianChicks Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: -CANADA- Posts: 1,464	what code must the sponsor place on their website? I'd like to click-thru on a few links and see if they are using that text you mentioned. I find this a big issue but sponsors don't give a fuck cause they benefit from all the sales which weren't tracked.

06-09-2002, 02:27 PM	#14
Petr Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 502	LoveAsianChicks, I repeat, it's not on the website, it's in the http header. Look what doubleclick.com has in the http header and find the CP line in it.

06-09-2002, 10:55 PM	#17
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Read the docs at Microsoft and that should explain it to you -- what is a third party cookie, what is a first party cookie, etc. http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q290294 http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...privacyfaq.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...cysettings.asp

06-10-2002, 01:59 AM	#19
Petr Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 502	The http header must contain a like like this: P3P: CP="NOI DSP CURa PSAa PSDa OUR STP COM NAV STA" And that's all. Problem solved.

06-10-2002, 02:12 AM	#20
Petr Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 502	"etter yet, look in the headers of all your sponsor's stuff, especially their tour pages. interesting what you will/won't find." Titmowse, it really amazes me that someone can publish an article on a rather a technical issue with no understanding basic things. Well, that's the problem of Internet, I guess. You wrote about cookies but you don't know they are not programs (they are txt files). You wrote about PHP being a method of tracking sales but you don't know that PHP is not a method, it's a programming language. You say MSIE 6.x blocks 3rd party cookies but you don't know that this is the case ONLY IF the server doesn't have a compact policy. And now you are mixing HTTP headers and WEBPAGE headers which are totally different things. Titmowse, a word of advice - please, next time when you feel like you have to write about something, write about something YOU KNOW. I understand you've had good intentions but this article with so many half-truths and mistakes only confuses webmasters.

06-10-2002, 03:18 AM	#21
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	actually, i amended the article to correct the actual discrepancies you pointed out somewhere in between your vitriolic inanities. thanks. __________________ I still love everybody

06-10-2002, 05:01 AM	#22
Petr Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 502	fine, so Titmowse finally admitted that the original article was pure nonsense... I can't wait for her/his (?) another article on some technical subject... that should be entertaining again...