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FetishTom

Now you mention it the similarity to GFY is uncanny!

Kimo

something has to be done, my friend from lebanon hasnt been online in days now

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Webby

Your friend a Lebanese national Kimo or a citizen of another country?

The UN has instigated a relief program and Israel has agreed to quit the ports blockake stuff to allow aid to enter.

The bad news is the Bitch from Hell is visiting the region on Sunday to obstruct any possibility of peace or prisoner exchange:

It's prob not unusual to have a connection down or deliberately blocked at the moment. Hope you hear soon man.

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Agent 488

posting anti-zionist statements on a webmaster board should do the trick.

crockett

Yes I guess this is just Israeli propaganda...

No they don't teach their kids to hate..



And of course the Israeli's are just over reacting..



BTW so where is Israel carpet bombing Palestine or Lebanon? If you want to talk about carpet bombing, what would you call the 100 or so rockets that Hezbollah shot into Isreal today or the 160 from yesterday? Just bad weather?

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crockett

It's not all Muslims just the extremist's.. My next door neighbor is a Muslim from The Sudan.. He doesn't hate Christians or Jews in fact I'm pretty sure he's even on the Israeli's side on this matter.

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directfiesta

Sorry, but you are wrong ...

You should have written:

" if they think you are doing nothing wrong ..."

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directfiesta

This reminds me of:

" The iraqis are happy to see us " ....

gullible.

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Webby

What's the point of showing imaging - of your selection and to vouch for your case - when this is clearly not going to be representative of any truths?

Think that's the point man - there is no difference between rocket attacks and carpet bombing or shelling. They both kill. There was never a law/understanding that a Hezbollah rocket was more or less evil that an Israeli/US Apache copter strike. They are both evil - despite any claims anyone may care to make.


PS .. Even worse are the "backroom warmongers" who have shown no interest of any kind in creating any form of peace - not just in this incident, but for decades, and despite describing their programs as "paths to peace" while supplying weaponary to ensure one of the only two trade surplus industries does not fail.

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crockett

When you live next door to someone and hang out with them just about everyday.. You do tend to get a pretty good idea of what they think about something.

But believe what you like I don't care..

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crockett

Again I ask you where is Isreal carpet bombing? Do you even have a clue what carpet bombing is?

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Mr. Soul

Wow, what animals. So much different that the civilized Israelis, who only act in self defense, as we all know because CNN tells us so.






Anyway, I'm obviously wasting my time trying to talk rationally with an ignorant hate monger like you. Time for another addition to the old ignore list. Wake me up when you get an education and can actually use your brain to take in information and come up with your own rational thoughts. Stupid for me to waste my time talking with some kid who repeats the hate speach being put forth by our government and media.

Right pal, you know everything. Muslims are evil and Israelis are always right and justified. War is peace.

Mr. Soul

That kid must have been a terrorist.


Hopefully one day you'll wake up and realize that bombing innocent civilians because some people of the same race are fighting back against occuption is not rational or justified. Until then, you are a useless human being who deserves to burn in hell along side the suicide bombers and IDF soldiers.

crockett

Usually when people have to resort to name calling it's when they know their argument is weak..

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shahab6

Why does Israel war get so much attention, I don't hear people discussing other wars that are going on.
Anyway all war are bad, and killing people is bad too.

Webby

Carpet bombing was the term used earlier to illustrate the differences in weaponary. I never did claim Israel was "carpet bombing" anyone.

However... this is now the 12th day of Israeli offensive into Lebanon and already the damage toll is sustantial both in lives and infrastructure.

Comparing this assult to anything Hezbollah could ever muster is like comparing oil to water.

Right now....

and... surprise... enter the "backroom warmongers" - we are exhausting the supply of weaponary. Mr Bush.. would you kindly send some more bombs - Hezbollah is a massive army and we want to blow them to hell and back.

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crockett

Who ever said it was ok to bomb innocent civilians? I said I understand what Israel is doing and I support them. Why do you support Hezabulla's attacks of innocent civilians? I mean that's what your saying about me just because I said I support what Israel is doing.

Why don't you condemn Hezabulla for setting up shop right in the middle of civilian locations then shooting rockets across the boarder from them? Why is that ok? But if Israel hit back they are deliberately attacking civilians?

If you weren't so narrow minded you would understand what I am saying. Again I ask you why you are so quick to condemn Israel, yet you say nothing about Hezabulla whom started this entire thing by attacking Israel.

Do you think Israel would be attacking Lebanon right now if Hezabulla hadn't killed the 6 troops and kidnapped the other two? You think Israel would have just decided hey lets go carpet bomb Lebanon today?

If Hezabulla was worried about civilians they would have released the kidnapped troops before this ever escalated to this point.

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Mr. Soul

That, or when they're extremely fucking frustrated that there are so many ignorant people out there who have no understanding of the real situation, yet love to repeat government propaganda and hate speech as if it were their own thoughts. One of the two.

I hate people who cheer for war. I fucking hate you, seriously. Everyone who supports horrible unjustified acts of war is in part responsible for the deaths of those children, whether they can admit it or not. There is no room for civilized debate when you're talking with uneducated people who are in favor of the mass murder of civilians in the name of political change and financial domination.

I wouldn't be polite talking with a supporter of Osama Bin Laden, and I'm not going to be polite talking with you. They think they're justified too, they don't accept blame for the deaths at the WTC just as people like you don't accept blame for the deaths of people in Palestine and Lebanon (soon to be Syria and Iran thanks to brilliant minds like yours). You are the exact same as the people who support Bin Laden. I know your simple, one track mind will never comprehend that, but it's true. You are the exact same as them, the exact same. You're just on a different side.

directfiesta

Just saw on the local 11:00 PM news a father crying because his 2 sons and wife were killed in the bombing of an appartment building in Lebanon ... He is ( so was his family ) a canadian citizen ...

It is a shame that our country considers Israel as an " ally ' nation ... against the will of the majority . ( In Afghanistan, e lost 2 soldiers today : why in hell are we there - not our war).

Now, if you research the number of times that Israel violated the sovereign lebanese air space, you could be surprised ... this did not start with soldiers taken prisonners ,,, and shelling from Hezbollah ..

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Mr. Soul

Israel is killing innocent civilians. You support what Israel is doing. But you don't support killing civilians? Yeah that makes a fuck load of sense. Way to think things through.

I don't support Hezbollah at all. I've never said anything even close to that. I support peace. Israel is the aggressor in this conflict, which is why I'm rightly blaming this latest round of violence on them. I'm not just an idiot, like say you, who picks a side and then roots for them like we're talking about a football game.


Because that's the opposite of the truth. Hezbollah did not start this violence by attacking Israel. That's just more misinfomation you're getting from CNN. I read the news wires daily. This latest round started three weeks ago with Israel re-entering Gaza.


Would Hezbollah have taken those prisoners if Israel had not begun attacking Gaza? If Israel wants peace, why don't they release their prisoners? That's why Hezbollah is asking for, a prisoner exchange. You'd know that if you didn't get your information from government hate mongerers.

Webby

Who is supporting Hezbollah attacks??? You are supporting Israeli attacks.

There is nothing good to be said for either side, despite at least one, or both, may have justification. We would not even have a clue as to what that justification is. Rest assured the people on the ground know - only too well.

If life were so simple and we were not all narrow minded as to simply support one side or the other. Clearly you do support one side man.

Yes... most probably. If you seriously think this has anything to do with a few Israeli soldiers and you consider a full-scale invasion is a rational response to this - well..

If the US was worried about civilians in any part of the world - they would not be selling more weaponary than all other nations on this planet combined. They never did sell weapons to Hezbollah in particular, but to Israel. Israel then elected to launch a full attack based on "kidnapped soldiers", but refuses to release 9000 Palestinians in jail cells and internment camps. Gimme a break.

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crockett

Yet 12 days later, Hezbollah is still shooting rockets everyday into Israel.. What do you think they are trying to do? You think they are defending Lebanon? If so why are they shooting them at Israeli cities? Why not at the Israeli army?

You think I like Bush? I can't stand the fucker.. Yet you wanna act as if this is all some conspiracy .. Hey maybe it is..

But are you so naive to think that Hezbollah isn't continuing their attacks just so the Israeli's will do what Hezbollah knows Israel would do. Why do you think they continue shooting rockets day after day?

Hummm you think it could be because they know Israel will keep attacking right back, then just maybe Hezbollah might get support from people like you that can't see the Forest for the trees.

You said it right here but you still can't see it...

"Comparing this assault to anything Hezbollah could ever muster is like comparing oil to water."

Why do they keep attacking when they know they can't win against the Israeli's? Couldn't be because they might be trying to sacrifice their "own" people to get the sad sob stories of the evil Israel's killing poor civilians to drum up more support.

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Mr. Soul

Israel started this war to draw the US into fighting against Iran and Syria, plain and simple. And it's going to work because of jackasses like you who accept whatever the government tells them about how evil our "enemies" are. Get ready for the draft, geniuses.

KRL

Hezbolla are the same terrorists that blew up the US Marine barracks in Beirut back in the early 1980's and killed nearly 300 of our soldiers.

Payback is a bitch.

I feel sory for the innocent amongst them, but as for Hezbo, the less of them there are the better for the civilized world.

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crockett

So then why don't you condemn what Hezbollah is doing you have done everything to justify it..

Maybe one day you will understand that we don't live in a shiny happy world. So tell me since you are the expert about this, what should Israel have done when Hezbollah attacked their troops and kidnapped two of them?
Just blow it off and say oh shucks they got us again?

Damn I guess the rest of the world and myself has it wrong.. but Al -Jazeer got it right..



Refer to this post I think he described it pretty well.. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...4&postcount=44

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I love those. Nathan's all beef hotdogs come close but nothing beats Hebrew National. Good stuff!

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crockett

Na KRL they are freedom fighters they are protecting Lebanon from the evil Jews..

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Mr. Soul

...while their country was occupied by a foriegn army using our money and weapons. What animals.

When will people realize, violence happes when you invade and occupy other countries?

It's like you people just expect the rest of the world to sit back and accept being dominated by the US and Israel. Never going to happen, but it's brilliant thinking like that that draws us into places like Vietnam, Lebanon, and Iraq. Your idea of "payback" will only bring more "payback" from them. It's like you idiots enjoy seeing people die, including American soldiers. I can't think of any other explanation for your thought proccess.

If we had never used our army to attempt to control other peoples, they would never attack us. Period. No Beirut embassy bombing. No Sept 11th. Yet you people are able to convince yourself that us increasing the violence is somehow justified. Makes me fucking sick. All our violence is going to do is bring more violence against us. It's as if you're trying to be a stupid as possible. To completly ignore the realities of war and occupation.

I guess it's easy when you're sitting in your den behind a desk, thousands of miles from the nearest bomb. Not so easy when you can see the smoke from the twin towers from your window.

You're all animals if you ask me. KRL, Crokett, and any other person who supports violence against others, as well as supporters of Hezbollah, Hamas, Bin Laden, etc. May you all burn in hell together.

Hopefully one day you'll all just kill eachother so the rational people can live in peace.

juz

This is entirley the Lebanese people's and governments fault, they have harbored Hezbollah all this time, letting them attack Israel from with in Lebanons borders.
If they cant control what happens in their own country, why do they deserve to have one in the first place.

Personally I can wait till we suck that entire area dry of oil so we can pull out and let them revert back to the stone age

Webby

Shit... your asking a lot of things in one post

OK.. I'll throw my own shit into the pot. You got two people, the leaders of both Lebanon and Israel. Neither of them are stupid men. Both may have a wish to have some life with peace. Meantime, there is a problem - not necessarily caused by either leader, but with internal issues. Both these guys have "internal issues" - whether that comes from "terrorist orgs" or within members of their own cabinet.

While attempting to keep the world all cool and living in lala land, both leaders were blessed with a brain and a mouth. There is/was nothing to hinder either arranging constant and regular communication towards having peace. In the background, it may well be that "incidents" are occuring and this is not helpful. However, the main goal is a peace settlement and not the daily rabble of aggression. Both need to understand that fully - and little doubts both do in reality.

Then Mr Stupid creeps under the door. Why would any leader who wants to work with another then launch a missle strike on the offices of the other??? DUH? Got to be one of the dumbest diplomatic moves in history.

From that point, it just set any prospect of peace back.. dunno.. 20 years.

Truth is man... I don't believe there was any desire on the part of the current Israeli govt to have any peace. There are others in the background who also have no desire for peace and they are being guided by advisors with an agenda on a bigger scale. There is war going on - the bullets may be flying in Lebanon, but the main front is elsewhere and more closer to home.

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Mr. Soul

What? Was that English? No hablo espanol.



They should have done another prisoner exchange like they have done many times. The last one being in 2002. Israel has way more prisoners than Hamas and Hezbollah combined.

The sorry excuse of the war monger. "We don't live in a shinny happy world", so all wars started by our side are justified. I'm sure Bin Laden tells people the exact same thing.



Al -Jazeer? What the fuck is that? You think the news wires are called "Al -Jazeer"? Where I live they're called AP and Reuters.

And, CNN is not "the rest of the world". The only people in the world who blindly support Israel are the Americans. The vast majority of people around the world do not support this invasion.

Webby

It's is also not nicely cut and dried as is portrayed in the US media in particular, and, slightly surprised on this, but CNN editors were instructed to change terminology to suit the occasion with reference the Israeli/Lebanon situation.

Fortunately there are other countries and international orgs stepping in to offer help - without the crap baggage and simpleton propaganda attached.

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crockett

Yes I'm sure there is some connections closer to home.. I posted it earlier that I'm sure we will find out soon enough if the Bush admin has plans to go after Syria or Iran. If they really have that agenda this will be the time they do it, because they have the perfect cover to do it.

Top that off with the fact that Israel is already in the fight so we could use them as an ally instead of keeping them out like it happened in Iraq. I have no arguments on that matter at all and I don't support it in any way. Belive me I don't support what our govt does in some of these matters in any way shape or forum.

The argument I have is when you guys are acting like this entire deal is all Israel's fault. Then saying the civilian deaths are all their fault when it's not. There maybe agenda's on our side and the Israeli's side.. but Hezbollah has a equally evil agenda and they are at fault in this matter as much as anyone.

Also I don't buy it for one damn minute that Lebanon "coundn't" do anything about Hezbollah. They allowed them to operate within their boarders as 'juz" said, if they couldn't control their own country then they shouldn't have it.

You are talking about diplomacy but what would Lebanon have done about it? They wouldn't have done shit, just like always. The other issue about prisoner trades, the Israli's already did that with Hezbollah in the past they traded over 1k prisonors for 3 Israeli's solders. What did Hezbollah do? They kidnapped 2 more, so why shouldn't Israel of dsone what they have done?

Should they just keep letting them kidnapp their troops?

btw it's been fun but I'm going to bed..

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Webby

I'm not saying anything - for one side of the other. I really have no clue about the intentions of either the Israeli, Lebanese govts or Hezbollah and doubt I'll ever have the occasion for a face-to-face to find out

The only constructive thing - tho this will be learned after many more die, is that there is a need to talk and on the basis no other party/govt is involved in the background.

But hell.. humans are stupid, so this will last generations yet.

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Mr. Soul

If they didn't want their troops to be taken hostage, they shouldn't have continued taking hostages themselves. Amazing how you only see Arabs doing bad things. It sounds like to you, everything Israel does is justified. That's fucked up. Israel is allowed to take hostages and launch attacks, but when Arabs do it, it's unjustified? Honestly how do you convince yourself to accept that? How can wrap your head around that warped, undefendable world view?

What the fuck is the point of even talking about this. You're just going to justify any Israeli action because of your preconcived biases againt Arabs.

Thank God your parents finally inforced your bed time. I was getting a serious headache from your war mongering bullshit.

Mr. Blue

Have you every read the Koran? If you have, what did you think of it? I have read the Koran because I was interested in seeing what it was all about...after reading it you get the distinct impression that the hatred for the Jew has existed since the ink dried in the Koran. Long before the new Israel state was established, long before 1947 when it was created, and it would exist even if the Jews decided to leave Israel tomorrow. It isn't just limited to the Jews though, Christians are grouped in the same cluster and the intolerance for non-believers are laced throughout the Koran.

Another thing...as porn webmasters, how do you think a Muslim country would view our chosen occupation? I don't think 2257 would compare to what a Muslim nation would do to porn and it's webmasters

One final thing, I pretty much can't stand established religion. I think it's the true bane of civilization because it leads to close minded hate and intolerance. I pessimistically realize that there is no viable solution in the middle east because it's driven by archaic beliefs in invisible deities.

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Mr. Soul

Here are some rational Israelis:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...279792,00.html

"The protestors held up signs with slogans against the war and called for an immediate ceasefire.

According to the demonstrators, a prisoner exchange deal with Hizbullah must be struck, as well as a similar deal with Hamas."


Too bad, like in my country (USA), these rational, not hateful, peace loving people are the minority. God bless us all (except Muslims, Jews, and Christians... fuck them).

Webby

Got to say Mr Blue, I've never read the Koran

Oh.. I'm sure good "Christians" have some extreme views on our chosen occupation and USC 2257 is but a droplet in an ocean if they could have their way They know above all others what is best.

I used to have these "discussions" with a prominent "public protector". She would issue press statements over almost every movie released and blasting them to hell and back. She was a charming old lady who dearly loved her cats - and, in fairness, she did to a degree, represent "some" members of society. In the end, can't remember the movie, but had to ask her if she had even seen the movie she is blasting. Turns out it was "too much" for her to watch, so she avoided going to screenings

Meanwhile, religon seems to take a back seat when sheer lust takes over even with followers of the Muslim, Jewish or any other faith. In Saudi there seems to be two different levels - one for "us" and one for "them". "Us" get special whoring privileges and "them" get executed for even thinking about it.

Odd the way people think - religon seems to have played some part in the removal of logic - tho it prob was never *actually* part of the religon in the first instance

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Mr. Blue

lol, yes, that's why I said I can't stand all established religions. Christians are just as intolerant, but their method of converting non-believers, at least the written word on the topic (this wasn't always practiced), is through missionary work, etc.

If you really read through the Koran the whole middle east thing gets put into the perspective of a religious war. No matter what Israel did...they would still be hated by the Muslim. Let me get out the Koran for a minute and just type out a few bits from it:

"Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations."

"Jews are the greediest of all humankind."

"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers."

"For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom"

"Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous."

That's just a little bit, there's quite a lot to do with the punishment of "disbelievers"...How will there ever be peace in the Middle East when fundamentalism like that grips it so hard? There won't be peace. If Israel turned a new leaf over tomorrow, if they refused to attack, refused to defend itself, what would happen to them?

I'm not condoning what's happening, but its happening because of a hatred that's been there for thousands of years. No one is going to be able to stop it. They can maybe contain it, but it will never end as long as people grasp onto myths to guide their lives.

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Double L

Whats with all the facts and logic? People want to blame Israel, nothing more.

ETCKon

Sorry pelle pales but this throw is out by Far fetch.....Going back and to get back at the Isreals are pretty Tuff mission considering the fact that they send messages without dropping a single Clouds.....Newclear attack might be an options to the rest of Creole speaking people butt the world will not tolerate the action against Isrealights....Then again they brought you the real construction of the western criticisms to the critics from 38° 51' N 77° 2' W and beyond......From BC to AD, Western worlds been following the cookie trails of the Isreallights......

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Mr. Soul

How insightful. Let me guess, high school dropout?

Everything is extremely simple, when you are a simple man.

I'm glad you have everything figured out in your own mind. Must feel great to know everything, while never having opened a book in your life. I'm actually jealous. Sometimes I wish I were stupid and could convince myself that the entire world was as simple as my simple mind. Have fun with that. Maybe one day someone will hit me in the head with a baseball bat and I'll be able to have a conversation on your level. I hope. Having to think things through before you speak and use logic in your arguments becomes a real pain in the ass.

JaneB

I could not agree more. I think Israel has put up with a lot shit over the years. They just need to take out Hamas and Hezbollah. They would be doing the world a favor.

minimouse

For all the racist fuck heads and all Israel and jew haters on this board, you might not understand a simple thing...

We won before in just about anything we did, and you know what no matter what you think or say we will win again at this conflict and on future conflicts.

Get this through your thick skulls.


So all I have to say about all the Jew haters here is

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gleem

you people all need to do some background reading, and when you do, depending on the source you will find that there is no unbiased material out there.

Zionistic documentation will tell you of the struggle the Zionists had in the early 1900's of bringing an abandoned land so abused and neglected that it took decades to clear it of all the swamps and landfills it had become after the locals completely trashed the place for centuries. Other non - zionistic and more arab leaning docs will tell a story similar to America's past of an invading people killing off and abusing the native people.

Whatever the case is, Israel was declared a country in 1948 by the rest of the UN, and they had to fight off Arab countries who refuse to reckognize her as a country and tried several times to wipe it off the face of the earth in 1948-1949, 1956, 1967, 1973-1974 and 1982.

These Islamic groups soul purpose is to destroy the state of ISrael, Hammas, Hezbolah, it wasn't till a few years ago that there were any Arab nations that would refer to "Israel" as a county, they would just call it "The Occupied land" or when they were being nice "Palestine".

There is no "Cease Fire" with any of these Anti-Israeli groups. They will not stop till Israel is gone. Everytime there is pressure for a cease fire or cessation, ISrael gives up some little piece of land to one group or country or another and a few days, weeks or months later, they are getting rocketed, stoned, from that place.

Israel arrest known terrorist in Gaza, or anywhere else, and they are accused of "kidnapping" a civilian and locking them up. They blow up a Hezbolah or hammas building, and they are accused of killing civilians.. why? Because these groups are made up of civilians. Because these groups know that if they blend in with civilians, civilians die, and ISrael looks bad. And it works very well. Nothing like seeing a family of 20 getting blown up and showing how it's all just women and children and husbands and dads to get more people to join your cause. You think hammas or hezbolah will say a few of those family members were hezbolah, they had missles under their bed, in the basement.. nope...

Bottom line there will never be peace until Israel is wiped off the face of the earth, it may take 5 years, it may take 100, the only way ISrael has a chance of making it is if the US continues to be a super power, as soon as US isn't powerful or cuts ties with Israel, it's days are numbered... you can only fight off so many countries and so many people within your country that are sworn to destroy you for so long.

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gleem

oh and could you imagine if there was a tribe of Native American Indians in Mexico vowed to destroy the US being financed by Mexico and shooting missles into texas? How long would it take the US to blow the fuck out of every Native american in Mexico, let alone the Mexican goverment? If that happened and my country didn't act 10x as harsh as Israel is now I'd be pissed.

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gleem

fuck, can't believe I'm arguing politics on GFY at 5am, I'm going back to bed, would you guys please stop setting off my "Jewdar" and waking me up!

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Odin

Don't bother sending the money to Arabs, just help organisations who oppose Zionist power in the United States. There are left-wing and right-wing groups that are openly against Zionist control of US politics, so take your pick. Believe me when I say the absolute BEST way you can help the Arabs (as well as helping your country at the same time) is to remove the stranglehold Zionists have over US foreign policy through their media and lobby groups.

gleem

here's a page about the formation of Israel from some non denominational religious wackos:

http://www.thesilvertrumpets.info/en...ottcotmsoi.htm

theu didn't write alot about it, but the jews were fighting British occupation along with the Arabs when the first zionist were "Zionizing"

Damn British, trying to snaatch up all the good stuff back then

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