50.....,.....

Fitty..........one:disgust

oh, that changes everything. Artillary shells don't kill people. :helpme

UN troops were and are in Lebanon. UN troops are always ineffective. Move in NATO forces if one wants an effective force.

I disagree. Artillary shells can and do kill people.

"UN troops are always ineffective" - More bollocks like "They are not bombs".

UN troops are no different to NATO troops or any others.

The function required is more related to cooling a scenario than bombing the shit out of it. A mix of UN forces with a mandate is clearly more appropriate in this scenario and, little doubts, that is the way it is heading.

NATO does not represent the international community and it is not an "independent broker".



PS Iraq has recently been considering a UN peace force in that country - it's obvious why. US forces were never trained to handle any scenario that involved "firm diplomacy" - this has been demonstrated for decades. Of course, it would let Bush off the hook for the shit he started if that did happen.

And the Bedouins and all the other people that lived there, like the Palestinians who were displaced when the country was created? It most certainly never belonged to Israel, except from Biblical promises and a hope and a prayer.

Interesting discussion. I've learned a lot.

Miami is majority Cuban. Does that mean Miami "belongs to the Cubans"?

Artillery shells DON'T kill people. People kill people.
















.... little joke ;-)

Israelis are walled in? I guess they are.

If instead of Israel, a Jewish state had been created in southern California.....

If not a mistake, creating Israel in the middle east was most certainly a sub optimal decision.

As long as they vote Republican.

no, you don't understand...
and no, they are not speaking the truth, because they (and you) don't know all the facts...
and no, you will never understand, so it's not even worth the discussion...
:)


for a legitimate discussion to occur, the two sides must have SOME common basic assumptions...

you're calling my country a mistake, and view me as a land stealer, occupier or whatever.... how can I discuss anything with you?

quoted from the same post....classic!
:1orglaugh

No, the Palestinians are being walled in. They also have no control over their borders, air space or sea port. Explain to me how that's not a concentration camp and I'll buy you a beer.

No,a wery g idia

Oh right, you guys are just looking for fairness. That's why you call all Muslims terrorists and demand that they disarm before begining negotiations. How logical.

Gaza in particular, was never anything other than a concentration camp Mr S. Over half the population live in eight refugee camps. One in particular, with one of the highest densities of population in the world - 79,000 living in two thirds of a square mile (kilometer). Over 75% of the current estimated population of around 1.4 million are registered refugees.

To expect anything other than an explosion from places like Gaza where people are under oppression and with little resources, is like living in lala land.


Latest news report from the Gaza area:

it's too late for that now

exactly! at least someone knows their history..
duke

less of these damn threads

Lookin good up in here.

Lookin good up in here.

Music to my ears

Just like "firm diplomacy" has worked well for the UN troops in Lebanon? I repeat UN troops are not an effective force for anything other than handing out aid packages.

Your shift at McDonalds finished?

Absorb and learn Sexy - depending on the mandate under which any troops operate is the criteria as to whether they are effective. Currently UN troops in Lebanaon do not have an appropriate mandate and this is currently being addressed.

If troops are mandated to hand out "aid packages" - that is what they will do. That is currently not the mandate of UN troops in Lebanon.

Where do you get this "effective force" from? Are you now suggesting a fighting force for this region? If so, that is all the US could offer, - but sometimes there is need for some common sense and firmness in negotiating a calm in an area - that does not mean bombing the shit out of it.

Basically you are not even qualified even discuss the Middle East - you live in the US and are fed the biggest pile of shit leaving you to form opinions which are both irrelvant and ignorant. Bottom line - you have nothing to offer the Middle East or any other nation.

If I am not mistaken and going by memory the UN mandate in Lebanon was to help the Lebanese government to rid itself of Hezballa and any other armed militias as provided by UN Resolution 1559. Hezballa is stronger than ever in Lebanon. Yes indeed UN force and diplomacy worked very well. They will not be quite as strong when Israel is finished with them.

Are you finished sucking the American tourist's dicks for the day asswipe? Did you earn enough for a room for the night or do you actually have your own shack?

Your comments are irrelevant - you have nothing to offer anyone.

I don't wast time on the leftovers of human trash - crawl up Bush's ass and check if there is sunshine and have a discussion about stem cell research.

At the least that would make me first world human trash, not third world human trash like yourself that is forced to suck American tourist's dicks for a living. Since I have nothing to offer anyone then I assume that you will not be responding to my posts with your drivel. Good.

FYI government money is not needed for stem cell research. Private enterprise spent 100 million last year on embronic and other stem cell research. This figure is projected to exceed 10 billion dollars by 2010. Science is marching onward without government money which is really for the best.

Oh pathetic :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Have you *anything* to say that is in any way constructive of a contribution to this thread?

That is... apart from "They are not bombs", "155 artillary shells", "UN troops were and are in Lebanon. UN troops are always ineffective. Move in NATO forces if one wants an effective force." and "I disagree. Artillary shells can and do kill people" and your pathetic attempted "attacks" over third world countries and "tourist's dicks".

Your relevance is awesome.

Don't discuss your fetishes with me - keep them to yourself.

The UN troops in Lebanon have proven themselves to be totally ineffective as they did not even attempt to enforce their mandate as provided by UN Resolution 1559. UN troops have never been effective in any event other than handing out aid packages. Their "relevance is awsome."

You are welcome to your opinion - all good US trolls have one, whether it's about grass in Argentina, the quality of Colombian coke or genocide in Dafur. Unfortunately, they are irrelevant.

BTW Sicko Sexy... US troops have never been effective in Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq or almost any other place they were present, even tho the only job they had was blowing shit up and killing people. Engaging in a peace process is a bit harder than shooting off guns and bombing - fat chance of being able to do that.

Make contact with Bush's brain cell by crawling up his ass and let him know these facts of life Sexy:winkwink:

Very well said. I very much like your opinions. You live in England Webby?

Well.. when it comes to complete trolls who have a braincell missing and are a complete embarassment to any nation - what can ya say? :winkwink:

Originally EU, but operating in Costa Rica, Caribbean and the EU.

"Operating"! I suppose hustling tourists is "operating". You are a broke ass piece of shit that lives in a third world country and hate the US because customs will not allow you to enter. I have friends that have vacation homes in Costa Rica and they have been checking into certain matters for me. You are a joke asswipe, and no more than that.

I am out of here. I have a steaks on the bar-b-q and a late night friend coming over.

Shut up fag... you don't have a Western Union to send to TelAviv? Hurry hurry

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I feel sorry for anyone you claim is a friend of yours and sure as fuck doubt they are even in the league of being able to afford a "vacation home" in a "third world country" - nevermind checking on fuck all :1orglaugh.

You got a habit of disappearing with some bullshit claims of having steaks cooking - dream on :winkwink:

bump for the early risers putting philly on their bagels and lochs right at this moment.

Mine was a joke.

The Palestinians are, of course, treated atrociously.

UN Troops. Sometimes they have been "effective" and sometimes not. Every situation and response is different.

I remember reading some whitepapers on the subject. I'm sure they can be found easily.

Yup, the US is good at regime change (long history there). Not very good at nation-building. That is just that. Lost of reasons. Legitimacy, lack of national constabularies, use of regulary military tactics personnel and leadership for "peace-keeping", poor intelligence.

But are nation-building tasks "harder" than military ones? Moving a military halfway across the world and then occupying a capital in 21 days is "very hard".

If israel wasn't created , arabs would just fight eachother non stop , even with the existance of israel there were more people who died in arab-arab wars than in israeli-arab wars
The Iran-Iraq war itself caused more death than whole israel-arab wars together .
Israel actually did a big favour for arab countries by uniting them all against israel , and yet arab states kept fighting eachother all along .