Currently 96 heat index here... whew!

Christ, have you ever tried carpooling with Al Gore?

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He's so boring, sheep count him...

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Mean't to be a serious question? :)

The serious answer is because many people are self-centered, clueless and in some ways, greedy.

While nothing is perfect, many nations have agreed on an avenue forward using Koyoto as a framework. Several have already dramatically reduced emissions - other are progressing reasonably well with purchasing/swapping "pollution tokens" (particularly China who prob will be a main offender in future years).

A few "third world countries" have progressed very well and have eg 50% of their oil requirement being generated by alternative sources.

Sadly, sadly, sadly, once again, trailing the bottom of the scale we have the US still consuming 25% of the worlds resources with only 5% pro rata population - and little to show in any progress towards reducing consumption.

In effect, this is equivalent to stealing the resources of others who share this planet. It is ironic, but hardly a surprise, that the US rejected Koyoto - the requirement for mom not to have a V6 truck to drive the kids to school would be too heartbreaking.

A few years ago I revisited one valley in Texas - ecologically it was like a national park on the first visit - very rich. On the second visit, the entire area was decimated, - trees barely existed and the valley had a massive cloud of pollution overhead (apparently from refining and chemical plants). It is sad that the US keeps looking at greenbacks as tho they are the ultimate resource, while neglecting a very rich environment and gradually (tho not too gradual in some areas) destroying this. The prime resource was never a dollar - it is the environment you live in and the quality lifestyle this can give both now and in future generations.

The money paid for your SUV was only part payment - the rest was never paid by you, but taken from your enironment where you stole from others and future generations.

And I suppose you ride your bicycle instead of a car?

Either get off your high horse or practice what you preach!

Good one!:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I would also like to add the reason he would ever ride in an SUV or fly on a plane is because it was 'going that way anyway'.
Thats probbaly the best one I've heard.

The defense is not to attack the messenger - that's too weak :winkwink:

Here's an excuse for me driving full-size SUVs: I hate driving slow vehicles with no horsepower or torque. Here's another: I like being able to tow my boat if I want to take it out of town. Yet another: If you own your own company, a full-size SUV (over 6000lb gvwr) provides a nice tax break. There are a LOT more reasons as to why I prefer full-size over miniature, but these illustrate the point. Just because some people have no use for something, doesn't mean other people don't.


Also, just out of curiosity: If there was a head-on collision between a Ford Excursion and a Hyundai Santa Fe... which vehicle would you rather be in?

I have a Santa Fe!!!!

And which would you put your money on in an accident? Not saying that they aren't good vehicles, just saying that there are advantages to both kinds of vehicles and more mpg doesn't automatically equal better.

I would rather enjoy myself anyway I could if that's indeed true. :pimp

50........

Some people who live in the mountains actually need one. People who live in the suburbs and drive to thier downtown slave jobs are NOT included. Like most status symbols, its all about who can be the biggest idiot.

Well played:thumbsup

Mmouhahahahahahahahahahahahaha:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

those flourescent bulbs rock.. ya, they're more expensive, BUT they last forever.. Put it this way, I bought 2 13 watt flourescent bulbs one year and a half ago and they still work as if they're brand new. Plus, While only using 26watts of power they produce the same lighting as 2 60watt bulbs. Only difference is the regular bulbs would have died long ago and cost me more in electricity.

I drive my SUV about 15 miles per week. The solution is not to get rid of SUVs but to drive less ;-)

I have an AWD Mini van, however, all my children are still in carseats (they havre to be in seats or boosters until they are 8 years old here), and there is no car in the universe I've found yet that seats 5 that can put three carseats/booster seats all in a row in the back and fit. Believe me, I measured hundreds of them. And then youcan't have anyone else but family in the vehicle (I have three kids). Minivan was the only way to go, however we only drive when neccessary, we just walk everywhere else.

The house next door to me though, I keep bugging them that the oil companies should start sending them royalties. They have three large SUV's, two trucks and two minivans (each kid has their own vehicle and they all drive gas-guzzlers). Aside from the obvious difficulty with the parking glut, they are constantly driving them. I can't imagine what they're paying for gas and spewing into the atmosphere.

The excursion is slow as frozen shit compared to the Santa Fe. trust me.. lol. The 2.7 gives er shit and the 3.x is insane. It's power to weight ratio is very pleasing. Displaceent and size does not mean faster. It just does not. it never did and never will.

Now, onto horsepower and torque. It's irrelavant. If you have a 2500 lbs vehicle with just under 200hp and 200 foot pounds of torque you're fine. Put a good cool running tranny in there and you're even better. Get a 6000lbs vehicle with a 300hp motor and the same tranny, will do just as well in the towing end of things but eat 4 times as much gas and take much longer to get to speed, if it gets to top speed.

A santa fe can tow. With a tranny cooler it can tow 3200 with 2wd. With no cooler it can tow 2800. Sounds good to me.

So there's no excuse for driving a massive SUV. None.

Zero.

All you have going for you is a tax break, but that's a greedy benefit.


The Santa Fe.

The motor mounts decouple and drop the motor on a severe head on collision and uses the entire front end as a crumple zone to absorb the shock. What absorbs the shock on an Excursion? Your legs and chest. Also, you can't roll a Santa Fe unless you REALLY really tried or got t-boned by something very very big.

So tell me, how fast can you get that ford up to in real world driving conditions? How much fuel does it eat average and how much room does it have?

I have as much room as any other suv with the only exception being that the cargo area is much smaller in the Santa Fe than in other suvs from larger classes. I get 9.7L/100km mixed City/HW and get from 0-60 in under 8 seconds... 6 seconds if I am able to overcome the torque steer but being front wheel drive, not very easy to do. Top speed 220km/h real world.

Anyways, hey I understand, you like your big monster vehicles. No problem, Some do, some don't. However don't try to justify it with uses that other vehicles can do easily enough. You just like a big vehicle. That's all. Admit that you're just greedy and want something huge to make you feel safe in.

I feel somewhat greedy going from a civic to a santa fe myself, but I feel safer in this. I just know to admit the little bit of greed.


No hard feeling, just wanted to argue some of the facts ha

I didn't get the connection...:)

i should be ok with my ride.. :upsidedow

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