you know what though, I am done

it is paunfully obvious as to where AFF stands on this issue, and it is a shame that there are people like that in the industry

basically, you saying, "we don't mind content theifs as long as the program owners don't notice, but then we will close their accounts if they do"

it is a matter of common sense and respect, you have to have the common sense to know when someone is doing something wrong, and the respect of others to take action against it...and apparently by what you have posted, you all have neither

jeez I wish you had never merged with AFF, I had a lot more respect for you before

:thumbsup

I don't doubt that AFF is well aware that mass stolen content is being used to promote their program. However, the reasoning behind requiring the content owner to register the complaint rather than you or I is sound. I have seen at least one program owner (Mayor, I believe) take no issue with the way his content was being used. So Lars is right, taking actions based on allegations is a bit skewed, considering when we get to the base of it, we're all competitors.

However, I do believe that a program as large as AFF, who has been in this business for 10 years and is likely the largest affiliate program out there, has not only the resources but even the responsibility as a corporate citizen to be extremely pro-active when it comes to content theft. Any affiliate sending them decent volume should be checked out back and front to make sure they're legit. All it would take is maybe 15 minutes of time and one email from the compliance department.

Personally, over the next few days when I have the spare time, I'm going to gather a few examples of stolen content from various major offenders (such as Bulletin Board Forum) and forward them to the owners and representatives of the programs the content is being stolen from, along with the appropriate links to report the stolen content to AFF and a plea to take quick action.

I agree but how would we know what content is theirs and what is not what has been given them or they have botten themselves. I personally dont surf porn and otehr than a few people in the industry I dont know what models are what or work/shoot for who, We do take content theft seriously, but there is no reasonable way to know whats owned and whats not, so we must rely on content owners to inform us. That is why there is the DMCA. Its pretty clear what the law is and what actions we can take.

this thread makes me sick to my stomach.

What is painfully obvious is that you do not have a clue on how to run a company the size of AFF.

Reacting to allegations made on GFY is not how things are done. There are procedures that must be followed or you set yourself up for trouble if the allegations are not true. :2 cents:

Copyright laws ar not hard to enforce.
No matter what in the end it is your resposibility to have the proof.
I will explain it very eliquently. Even if you go to Wal Mart to get a reprint they will ask you for proof that you own the picture. You guys do nothing of the kind and with other companies like walmart asking for proof the burden is the same as for you.
I am sure in the next year you will see many lawsuits that will utimately cause a lot of damage to online companies who do not have that sort of proof and just say ...oh the guy signed up and uploaded it, we have no responsibility.
it's like stealing Steven Spielbergs movie and putting it up on Youtube.com.
If that ever happened trust me Youtube would be gone.
It will take stealing from just the wrong person and I think the whole house of cards will crumble.
Just my 2 cents

I can understand their point of view on the content theft situation. It can be tough to police everything.

However, it is widely known that they accept spyware traffic. Perhaps it is against your TOS, but most of the spyware people know that their traffic won't be questioned. You will have a tough time coming across any of the major spyware programs that isn't using AFF.

This traffic is very easy to spot and I wish you guys would do a better job of combatting it.

Even though I am enjoying the drama I have to agree. Anytime I want to see some of my old content all I have to do is refresh a AFF Geo Banner about 5 times.

Lars, can I get a job as a decoy? I have always wanted to work for a big name porn site. :pimp

Lars I posted this link several times in threads where content theft and AFF came up over the last couple of months.
If you check out the site (requires login) there are thousands of movies it don't take a rocket scientist to figure out this site is stolen content. It just one of many every content theft site I see use AFF as their sponsor.
The domain is fileporn.org

I am just curious and I don;t even have a dog in this race, but are you saying that you don't use unlicensed content to promote your site, or are you saying that you do not have fake profiles to bait subscribers, or are you saying that you do not have shills in chat rooms, or are you saying that you do not pay affliliates that run warez/password/torrent sites, or are you saying that you do not send massive SPAM, or are you saying that you have never billed an extra subscription or two ...

I am sooo confused now.

If it has been proven that the content is stolen and all you do is ask the affiliate to take it down (and likely replace it was more stolen content) then what is the point. If you want to gain respect with webmasters you should kill the affiliate account and send the cash earned from that account to the guy WHO OWNS THE CONTENT.

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:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I thought 2hp would appreciate that

Damn, that's a lot of reading. I got to the top of page 6 and my attention span blew a fuse. I'll have to check back later...

And you do? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh





Anyway. Talk about a thread backfiring. :eek7

Eh, ~90 servers ain't nothing, in fairness.

300........

I hate to add to the drama, but this video of 2HP speaks volumes:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=634079

What he said

Interesting nobody from AFF comments on threads complaining about this yet they are still all over the place....If you guys also belive in karma you better get ready..eh

:1orglaugh yeah sure you do thats why all this illegal sites keep using you guys months and after months...

2hp my recommendation is 'dont play with someone who has blatant disregard for the rules of the game"

You may be a 'lateral' thinker and maybe even ahead of your time... but you are a gentleman and a good mate.

The publishing of lawsuit documentation on this board by an unrelated third party is dirty play and inexcusable.

I sit here wondering what kind of businessman uses such bully tactics and how he would treat his business associates.

I like the way AFF attempt to discredit all claims of innappropriate business operations as a 'disgruntled employee"...

I also enjoy the apparant fact that AFF have so many ex-employees in the first place...

Perhaps Lars is in charge of Human Resources over there also....

Hold your head up 2hp!

You can free load off me anytime.....mate!

Remember people, just cos someone sends you a cheque for your hard work which has made them triple what your cheque says, soesnt mean they are always right.

Think like a human, your laptop can think like a machine....

hey leave of 2hp - hes a great guy

Go to sleep scotty, youre not making sense

oh, and is it too late for ding dong?

http://www.nofupas.com/dramalama.jpg

my money is still on 2hp

im 2hp 4 life...should bode well in the lawsuit eh

My ass hurts..........

hahahaha

hahahaha

Nah I pay for my rooms with my money and always expense it back to Andrew and Lars. Plus I wasn't at the Xbiz show so I still have a job. :thumbsup

You would have us ban someone who is allegally stealing content on pages like this:
http://brooke-skye.bulletinboardforum.com/

We have no ad on that page and furthermore the site that he is "stealing" from does have working links. Presumably the affiliate is in good standing. If he was in the wrong you would think he'd be banned from that program first. Since he IS their affiliate I'm sure they have away to contact him directly if they choose to inform them about how to use their content.

This is why we need to hear from content owners.

Im a content owner and it pisses me of when I find my site on some password trading site and there are the ads for aff and other affiliate programs. Tell the truth if they are not stealing from you ,you really dont give a fuck.

ohh man you are such an asskisser...seriously... :disgust

If this sites weren't filling AFF pockets or even worse stealing from them you would be sure they would have their accounts canned in less than a week, but well...money talks and bullshit walks...

so when we find out about these things, we do our best to do what is right.


my question of the moment: when we ban one of these people for doing it, they just put up one of our competitors the next moment and nobody calls them out

Of course not. Just pay someone to run them.

false, there is no hate AFF bandwagon, there is a scammer hating bandwagon, there just seems to be an increased correlation with AFF....is it due to abundancy? perhaps, ....perhaps not...

So how about YOU call them out, in that case? I mean, wouldn't that get you in even better standing with affiliates and fellow sponsors? Just a thought. Or would that be too much work?