250 sheep

ok...post up the legal replies

damn bastard!

eat your heart out WOJ :1orglaugh

One of the island webmasters needs to go reg gfybook.com so we can place some wagers on how many pages this is going to hit.

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LOL you crack me up.

i'm here for the entertainment value - this should be a TV series on HBO

Lars, the main point here is don't fuck around with 2hp...anything else you do we don't care about...just my :2 cents:

Every popup i get now that is spyware related on my laptop is for aff. It's a shame aff pays these people :(

they allow ads to be displayed on every torrent site, password sharing site and forums that post fulll members areas pics and video

that is 100% MAKING MONEY FROM CONTENT THEFT, PIRACY AND SCAMMING

and even though lars is always responding to everything else in this thread, he won't respond to that....it is almost laughable now the amazing lengths they go to not talk about it

I'm not usually one to get involved in drama. But I am starting to agree with you on this one.

You really need to get your facts straight and do some searching on GFY we take action on these items every single day if you have a specific complaint and not just yammering please take it to our In house legal staff who will take action as nesasary. We will and do respond to any Content holder who contacts us.

http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/page..._contacts.html
http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/page/abuse.html

Feel free to contact out Attourney by phone Main: (650) 847-3100
tomorrow morning about your specific content and complaint. We have a very complete and organized process for dealing with this and we do it every day.

Response to Posting from Friendfinder, Inc.



To ripoffreport.com readers:

During the latter half of November 2004, certain disgruntled individuals have repeatedly posted anti-Friendfinder ?reviews? on ripoffreport.com. In this series of postings, these individuals have made a series of statements and listed a number of purported ?facts? about Friendfinder and Andrew Conru alleging criminal behavior and unlawful business practices. With the exception of certain information that is publicly available, e.g. a civil lawsuit entitled Ferguson v. Friendfinder was filed (and ultimately dismissed without any finding of liability), these alleged facts are false and defamatory. These postings are beyond contempt and hurtful to Friendfinder, Andrew Conru and its employees. These comments also tend to marginalize valid ?reviews? that other persons have posted on ripoffreport.com regarding our company.

To any open-minded person reading reviews posted on ripoffreport.com: Friendfinder, Inc. currently has millions of members enjoying our online personals services. We have over 150 dedicated employees who strive to create a rich online experience for our customers. Despite any efforts we make, we know we can do even better. As with any company with so many customers, we have complaints about our service. Normally, our customer service department resolves these complaints (and other issues) in a timely and satisfactory manner. If you are a customer who has a complaint or otherwise has an issue with your service, I invite you to call our customer service department at (650) 847-3100 or email them. (Contact information is posted on the individual websites.)

As for comments about spamming originating from Friendfinder, please understand that our affiliate agreement prohibits the sending of any unsolicited email on our behalf. Moreover, Friendfinder does not send unsolicited emails. If you feel that you are the recipient of an unsolicited email, please forward it to me at [email protected] so I can investigate and take the appropriate action.

Lastly, if you feel that you were treated unfairly and want to express your concerns about Friendfinder, I invite you to call me directly at (650) 847-3120 or our Director of Human Resources, Natalie Cedeno, at (650) 847-3176.

Sincerely,

David Bloom
General Counsel

David - Palo Alto, California
U.S.A.

Happy and Marriend



I have never had adult friend finder charge me any time I have let me account laps. I have never had any problem with the service, and have always found the response time to any problems to be prompt. I had very good luck with the adult friend finder site, and met many friends there as well as had some great dtaes. I always met in public, and we felt like we had a good match exchanged further information. I also found my Husband on adult friend finder, and I was married in November of 2004. We married just 10 weeks after meeting. Why did we marry so fast? Because we exchanged E-Mails first, and we were a great match before we even met each other for the first time! It has been 1 1/2 years, and we are still together, and happy!!!

M

M - Rutland, Vermont
U.S.A.

So essentially, you'll turn a blind eye to theives until someone goes through your "complete and organized" process?

Fris started a thread yesterday with links to several sites that promote you using content stolen from dozens of webmasters programs. You're just going to ignore it, aren't you?

All fromt he same thread we have satisfied millions of people world wide> The reason you see our ads everywhere is we are by far the biggest adult online company and have the most affilaites of any company out ther ein adult. We pay the most money to the most people period ! When you are that big you get all teh attention good and bad. It is not us specifically any company who reaches the level of activity we have will cause people to be jealous and resentfull.

Take myspace as an example people say all kinds of bad stuff about myspace but int he end its not myspace but some individuals on there that are bad apples. When you have the masses of people we have there are going to be bad apples and we work every day to keep it clean and on the up and up. We take content theft seriously and we terminate affilaites every day for this.

So true

:thumbsup

No if any of those content owners contact us and say hey this is whats going on we will take action but I am not going to take action from anyone with a beef against another affialite. If we did that then its he said she said. If you are a content owner and have an issue with us we will act swiftly. If you are not the content holder but just want to point stuff out, how do we know they dont want that content used ? How do you know ? Many sponsors put out all kinds of watermarked videos. We have to rely on Content owners to police their IP. There is no way for us to know what is and what is not protected. They have to contact us. And when they do we take action.

Requiring the content owners to contact you is fair and understandable.

However, does taking action mean canning the affiliates account immediately? Or does it mean sending him an email requesting he take down the content in question, leaving loads of other stolen content up?

As well, what about torrent sites? You know without a shadow of a doubt that these sites deal with stolen content on a daily basis. CBS doesn't give them permission to record Lost on their TiVo and upload it, and you know that.

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...t=imageshac k


here is one example of one we turned off there are lots and lots of others.

it is not my job to make sure you aren't promoting content theft, that is the job of someone at your company

http://www.bulletinboardforum.com/

what facts do I need to get straight about that one buddy?

and why won't you reply to this thread? http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=633351

allowing all those sites to continually make money from you all while they constantly rip webmasters off is just FUCKING SHADY man

and to be honest, the fact the wait until you are caught doing it to turn them off, well that is even worse. companies like you all need WAY more accountability in our industry

I wouldnt know I dont visit any of these sites, basically we tell them take down the content or loose the affilate account, if they do it a second time we just turn off their accounts for good. We can not police the entire internet, we ahve to rely on content owners to find their own issues, but we always respond and quickly to any content owners who have issues with us.

in fact, I was just chatting with some heads of some pretty big adult companies the other day, and most of them are checking with their attorneys right now to see if AFF can be in legal trouble for continually cashing in on people stealing their content

I hope they discover that they can, cause it is out of hand

Because I ahve not seen one conetn owner tell me in that thread hey this is my content stop using it, what I see is some people alleging that someone elses content is being stolen. I cant not take actions on allegations of others, only from the specific content holders.

see, I don't think it is...AFF has much more control and sees these things WAY before content owners do....in fact, sites can fly under the radar for years before they are noticed, all the while making money from AFF ads because they have entire members areas in their forums

repost form otehr thread, as you can see we take action whenever we are told of infringment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah
Why don't the content producers sue AFF, like Norm/Perfect 10 did with Adultcheck?



In order to sue, someone would have to prove that AFF WILLINGLY and with forethought was intending to comit fraud.

The way it is set up now, it is the single affiliate that is the only one that has committed any actionable offense of stealing any content ( or traffic in the case of the spyware /illegal downloads etc... mentioned of wich I do not fully understand anyway) in this scenario.

Also then for someone to prove this they would need DEEP pockets to go after AFF ( who has deep pockets themselves)

It is not feesable for anyone to do that, and if ( lets jsut say hypothetically) the scenario went like company A was to have different companies in place that insulated it from direct involvement in a conspiracy to defraud of this magnitude it would take even DEEPER pockets and years of litigation. And as unfortunate as it may sound. if company B is making money from alleged conspiring company A . then they would have to factor that in as well. ( if company A said they were innocent and the affiliate was to blame it would have to be proven otherwise not to be true, and that company A was complacent in the process if compnay A owned company C,D, E, and F somewhere offshore then it would virtually be impossible to actually get to company A wich had all the money, so collecting a winning judment would not be as easy to do either ) so in other words a person has to make a singular choice as to wether or not to promote a company ( not saying AFF is gulilty or anything here, I am just surmizing for the legal experts my opinion on a scenario like this ) that they believe may or may not be stealing or comitting a conspiracy like this .


With that said We send AFF ( affiliates) notice to remove our content all the time , they never do. However AFF does remove that affiliates content of ours all the time and rather quickly in most cases once we send them the DMCA notice. The unforunate thing is that somehow then more NEW affiliates pop up and seem to ahve some of our content too. it is like playing wak a mole at the friggin carnival.

AFF tells us " what are we supposed to do to stop these rogue affiliates" ? their position is that since they remove the content as soon as they are notified that they are helping us as best as they can to protect our content . In other words they appear to be helping us. and actually one could simply argue that to be the truth if ever questioned on it in any sort of legal matter . cause the fact is they do assist us when we notify them of stolen content.

With that said , it would be wrong of me to say who to promote as a dating sponsor. that would be for people to decide what is best and acceptable practices for them and their circumstances individually.
However I can say we promote eroticy with all our stuff, as they seem to be the ones that we like the best. and somehow we never find our stolen content on ANY of their affiliates sites. Not sure why that is I guess.

fair enough, look for a new thread aski9ng for program owners to step forward

Yes protecting intellectual property is tough !

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...+friend+finder


Look at all the companies who steal from Adult Friend Finder using our trademarked name to aattract traffic. And all the people who steal members pics and use them on myspace or people who steal cam model pics and use them to promote other cam companies. I am not saying its perfect but we do teh best we can under the circumstances. And we have gone over this all very carefully with our Legal to make sure we comply with all the given laws.

Please use

http://friendfinderinc.com/go/page/c..._contacts.html

As our Lawyers do not read GFY every moment and it is not a legal form of DMCA notification.

Email

Legal at friendfinderinc.com

you know what though, I am done

it is paunfully obvious as to where AFF stands on this issue, and it is a shame that there are people like that in the industry

basically, you saying, "we don't mind content theifs as long as the program owners don't notice, but then we will close their accounts if they do"

it is a matter of common sense and respect, you have to have the common sense to know when someone is doing something wrong, and the respect of others to take action against it...and apparently by what you have posted, you all have neither

jeez I wish you had never merged with AFF, I had a lot more respect for you before

:thumbsup

I don't doubt that AFF is well aware that mass stolen content is being used to promote their program. However, the reasoning behind requiring the content owner to register the complaint rather than you or I is sound. I have seen at least one program owner (Mayor, I believe) take no issue with the way his content was being used. So Lars is right, taking actions based on allegations is a bit skewed, considering when we get to the base of it, we're all competitors.

However, I do believe that a program as large as AFF, who has been in this business for 10 years and is likely the largest affiliate program out there, has not only the resources but even the responsibility as a corporate citizen to be extremely pro-active when it comes to content theft. Any affiliate sending them decent volume should be checked out back and front to make sure they're legit. All it would take is maybe 15 minutes of time and one email from the compliance department.

Personally, over the next few days when I have the spare time, I'm going to gather a few examples of stolen content from various major offenders (such as Bulletin Board Forum) and forward them to the owners and representatives of the programs the content is being stolen from, along with the appropriate links to report the stolen content to AFF and a plea to take quick action.

I agree but how would we know what content is theirs and what is not what has been given them or they have botten themselves. I personally dont surf porn and otehr than a few people in the industry I dont know what models are what or work/shoot for who, We do take content theft seriously, but there is no reasonable way to know whats owned and whats not, so we must rely on content owners to inform us. That is why there is the DMCA. Its pretty clear what the law is and what actions we can take.

this thread makes me sick to my stomach.

What is painfully obvious is that you do not have a clue on how to run a company the size of AFF.

Reacting to allegations made on GFY is not how things are done. There are procedures that must be followed or you set yourself up for trouble if the allegations are not true. :2 cents:

Copyright laws ar not hard to enforce.
No matter what in the end it is your resposibility to have the proof.
I will explain it very eliquently. Even if you go to Wal Mart to get a reprint they will ask you for proof that you own the picture. You guys do nothing of the kind and with other companies like walmart asking for proof the burden is the same as for you.
I am sure in the next year you will see many lawsuits that will utimately cause a lot of damage to online companies who do not have that sort of proof and just say ...oh the guy signed up and uploaded it, we have no responsibility.
it's like stealing Steven Spielbergs movie and putting it up on Youtube.com.
If that ever happened trust me Youtube would be gone.
It will take stealing from just the wrong person and I think the whole house of cards will crumble.
Just my 2 cents

I can understand their point of view on the content theft situation. It can be tough to police everything.

However, it is widely known that they accept spyware traffic. Perhaps it is against your TOS, but most of the spyware people know that their traffic won't be questioned. You will have a tough time coming across any of the major spyware programs that isn't using AFF.

This traffic is very easy to spot and I wish you guys would do a better job of combatting it.

Even though I am enjoying the drama I have to agree. Anytime I want to see some of my old content all I have to do is refresh a AFF Geo Banner about 5 times.

Lars, can I get a job as a decoy? I have always wanted to work for a big name porn site. :pimp

Lars I posted this link several times in threads where content theft and AFF came up over the last couple of months.
If you check out the site (requires login) there are thousands of movies it don't take a rocket scientist to figure out this site is stolen content. It just one of many every content theft site I see use AFF as their sponsor.
The domain is fileporn.org

I am just curious and I don;t even have a dog in this race, but are you saying that you don't use unlicensed content to promote your site, or are you saying that you do not have fake profiles to bait subscribers, or are you saying that you do not have shills in chat rooms, or are you saying that you do not pay affliliates that run warez/password/torrent sites, or are you saying that you do not send massive SPAM, or are you saying that you have never billed an extra subscription or two ...

I am sooo confused now.

If it has been proven that the content is stolen and all you do is ask the affiliate to take it down (and likely replace it was more stolen content) then what is the point. If you want to gain respect with webmasters you should kill the affiliate account and send the cash earned from that account to the guy WHO OWNS THE CONTENT.

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I thought 2hp would appreciate that

Damn, that's a lot of reading. I got to the top of page 6 and my attention span blew a fuse. I'll have to check back later...

And you do? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh





Anyway. Talk about a thread backfiring. :eek7

Eh, ~90 servers ain't nothing, in fairness.