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woj · 07-14-2006, 07:23 AM

250....,......

SpeakEasy · 07-14-2006, 07:30 AM

Surfers very rarely will read a review site if ever. The surfer (potential paysite member) doesn't even know what a review site is. Only webmasters will ever read a review site, so in the big scope of things it really doesn't matter all that much.....

MrPinks · 07-14-2006, 08:19 AM

"We were offered a better score by The Best Porn if we were willing to reduce our price for their surfers."

Interesting since Rick just said "Do we ask for exclusive pricing? Absolutely not. We're not asking the affiliate program to do something special only for us. If they want to give all their affiliates the same opportunity, then that's cool. To us, it's easiest when it's built into the affiliate program (like Flynt, Pimp Roll, and a few others)."

I smell bullshit but I don't know where it's coming from.

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Originally Posted by karup

In my opinion, it is unethical for a review site to offer a site owner a higher score if the site owner is willing to give the review site's surfers a discounted price. Don't give me this bullshit about price affecting the score. Your job is to review the site as is, so review it as is, don't offer a better score for doing your surfers a favor and making you look better.

We were offered a better score by The Best Porn if we were willing to reduce our price for their surfers. I'll be honest, that pissed me off. Here they are trying to be all ethical & filled with integrity, yet behind the scenes they are trying to make deals that have nothing to do with a site's quality & true rating. Wouldn't we be fucking over our longtime members that have been paying $29.95 per month for years if we gave TBP surfers a discounted price? Wouldn't we also be fucking over our affiliates that have been supporting us for over 8 years? Thanks, but no thanks, not interested in any bullshit & behind the scene deals to improve our ratings. We've got more integrity than that.

rabbit · 07-14-2006, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeakEasy

Surfers very rarely will read a review site if ever. The surfer (potential paysite member) doesn't even know what a review site is. Only webmasters will ever read a review site, so in the big scope of things it really doesn't matter all that much.....

you clearly have no clue on this

Ryan_TBP · 07-14-2006, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MrPinks

Interesting since Rick just said "Do we ask for exclusive pricing? Absolutely not. We're not asking the affiliate program to do something special only for us. If they want to give all their affiliates the same opportunity, then that's cool. To us, it's easiest when it's built into the affiliate program (like Flynt, Pimp Roll, and a few others)."

I smell bullshit but I don't know where it's coming from.

Let's put it this way: we don't go to programs and ask them to lower their price across the board. We ask for a lower price for our link code so that users of our site will see the discount. What Rick was saying is that we don't ask that we be the only affiliate they do this for, and the program owner is more than willing to set their pricing for anyone and everyone however they wish.

MrPinks · 07-14-2006, 08:44 AM

Sounds good. I know that the discounted prices do have an affect on sales. More affiliate programs should offer that option.

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Originally Posted by Ryan_TBP

Let's put it this way: we don't go to programs and ask them to lower their price across the board. We ask for a lower price for our link code so that users of our site will see the discount. What Rick was saying is that we don't ask that we be the only affiliate they do this for, and the program owner is more than willing to set their pricing for anyone and everyone however they wish.

rankscom · 07-14-2006, 09:14 AM

One more thing to think about price...

From a webmaster point of view, I don't think it really sinks in. The moment you're the consumer, you care about price! I know people who make almost 7 figures who still shop for bargains in stores.

-If DVD's went from $15-20 to $40, would you be more selective?
-If Netflix increased their cost from $20 to $40/mo, is that still worth it?
-If I told you to judge two porn sites where the members area was virtually the same, one was $20/mo, one was $40/mo, would you give them the same rating?

Consumers care a ton about cost. It's only until recently they've been offerred resources that allow them to compare sites quickly and effectively. That college student living off less than $1,000 a month but can't stop from getting off online, he might take a shot at a site under $20/mo. An old retired guy who care barely get it up anymore definitely cares about saving an extra $10 per month on his porn habit.

Don't get me wrong, there are a ton of users out there that do not look at price, do not care. In fact, the majority of surfers have still have never found resources like review sites to know how much a porn site "could" cost. When they find out there are solid sites that cost half of what they were paying before, they "will" and "do" take hard notice (no pun intended).

Our traffic is so concentrated with "heavy" porn buyers, that our conversions are off the charts. We have dozens of sites that we convert 1:20 or better. This traffic is usually unrecognized by webmasters, it's different from any in the past. Most traffic you could charge anything and it might not affect sales either way. Our traffic (and probably all review site traffc), completely the opposite.

We're not telling anyone to drop their price. We're just trying to educate them on how it would affect their sales from our web-site. The #1 question we get asked from affiliate programs is "how can we do more sales with you guys"? Simple answer... higher rating, lower price. But that's us, we know our traffic.

vanillaice · 07-14-2006, 09:24 AM

I have a shitty little review site, which is not my main source of income (hardly *a* source of income) so I don't speak as a reviewer here.

I do see more of the point of the sale price having an effect on the review. If I go to a review site, I don't want to know this '6' review product is suddenly a '7' because they dropped their price for the reviewer. The product is still a '6', it's just cheaper.

I drink coke, and I can tell you that the quality of coke doesn't increase or decrease when it's on sale. It takes the same, it's just on sale at one store. At another store it may cost $4 a 12 pack.

I know review sites want to be honest, but that actually hurts your cause. If the avg surfer stumbles upon a review site that gets discounts, and their reviews are skewed by those discounts, they're going to be confused. They'll see a 9 rated 'bigtits.com' site (for random example), mainly because bigtits.com offered the reviewer a 75% decrease in price, so of course the site now looks like a huge bargain. The surfer leaves and without clicking on the link, he goes directly to bigtits.com. Doesn't notice the sale is now gone, joins and notices the members area isn't that good at all, but he paid full price for it so now he questions the review site that gave it a '9'.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not against giving users 'sale' prices, and even promoting it that way, and I do agree the cost of a site should play some role in determining the value you'll get for your buck, I just think it's a risky move to factor in an exclusive sale price only you have. Just my

rankscom · 07-14-2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by vanillaice

I know review sites want to be honest, but that actually hurts your cause. If the avg surfer stumbles upon a review site that gets discounts, and their reviews are skewed by those discounts, they're going to be confused. They'll see a 9 rated 'bigtits.com' site (for random example), mainly because bigtits.com offered the reviewer a 75% decrease in price, so of course the site now looks like a huge bargain. The surfer leaves and without clicking on the link, he goes directly to bigtits.com. Doesn't notice the sale is now gone, joins and notices the members area isn't that good at all, but he paid full price for it so now he questions the review site that gave it a '9'.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not against giving users 'sale' prices, and even promoting it that way, and I do agree the cost of a site should play some role in determining the value you'll get for your buck, I just think it's a risky move to factor in an exclusive sale price only you have. Just my

Price has only a small influence on rank. We have sites over $30/mo in our top 20. Does it have some affect, absolutely. Do other reviews in mainstream take price into account? Almost always. Go read reviews for MP3 subscription sites, they definitely take price into account. Car reviews, electronics, etc (price is almost always mentioned). The webmaster controls how much the site cost (not us), it's their choice. If they want to offer our users a special price, we would idiots to say no (users benefit, and we make more sales).

AmateurFlix · 07-14-2006, 10:06 AM

I'm amazed this thread has gone on for 3 days and remained an actual business discussion the entire time on GFY.

This must be some kind of record lol.

SteveLightspeed · 07-14-2006, 10:16 AM

Ok, let me ask this, TawneeStone.com used to sell individually for $34.95. You guys reviewed it and said "That's too much".

Ok, I dropped the price of her site to 29.95, and your sales DROPPED. And your reviewers still said "That's too much".

So I said, "What if we give 5 full sites for $34.95, effectively dropping Tawnee's site to $7?" You guys reviewed it, and said "Only 5 sites for 34.95? Thats too much."

Ok, how about TEN sites for $39.95 -- we're down to $4 per site now. You guys reviewed it, and said (paraphrasing) "HOLY SHIT, $40!!! That's ridiculous!"

To me, I've slashed my prices by offering bulk discounts. Your latest was "Only 10 sites? Why not all for $40?"

I'm constantly adding sites to our network. 10 sites for $40 is $4 per site. 20 sites for $40 is $2 per site. 40 sites for $40 is $1 per site, but you guys will still say "Thats TOO EXPENSIVE!"

Well, I'm sure you understand that ADDING sites to my network doesn't LOWER my costs!

Shap · 07-14-2006, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Ok, let me ask this, TawneeStone.com used to sell individually for $34.95. You guys reviewed it and said "That's too much".

Ok, I dropped the price of her site to 29.95, and your sales DROPPED. And your reviewers said "That's too much".

So I said, "What if we give 5 full sites for $34.95, effectively dropping Tawnee's site to $7?" You guys reviewed it, and said "Only 5 sites for 34.95? Thats too much."

Ok, how about TEN sites for $39.95 -- we're down to $4 per site now. You guys reviewed it, and said (paraphrasing) "HOLY SHIT, $40!!! That's ridiculous!"

To me, I've slashed my prices by offering bulk discounts. Your latest was "Only 10 sites? Why not all for $40?"

I'm constantly adding sites to our network. 10 sites for $40 is $4 per site. 20 sites for $40 is $2 per site. 40 sites for $40 is $1 per site, but you guys will still say "Thats TOO EXPENSIVE!"

Well, I'm sure you understand that ADDING sites to a network doesn't LOWER my costs!

I think it's not a matter of how many sites it's a matter of how much content and at what price. Your 10 sites at $40 is a horrible deal vs DvdBox at $10. The review business model definitely caters more to the sites with enormous amounts of quantity. It doesn't take into account the attraction people may have with a model or a niche. That would no doubt be a very tough thing to work into the mix as those sites would have to be reviewed by heavily biased fans.

SteveLightspeed · 07-14-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by shap

I think it's not a matter of how many sites it's a matter of how much content and at what price. Your 10 sites at $40 is a horrible deal vs DvdBox at $10. The review business model definitely caters more to the sites with enormous amounts of quantity. It doesn't take into account the attraction people may have with a model or a niche. That would no doubt be a very tough thing to work into the mix as those sites would have to be reviewed by heavily biased fans.

Well, at least you didn't slam me in THIS post. I'm back to discussing "chasing the carrot"

Shap · 07-14-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Ok, let me ask this, TawneeStone.com used to sell individually for $34.95. You guys reviewed it and said "That's too much".

Ok, I dropped the price of her site to 29.95, and your sales DROPPED. And your reviewers still said "That's too much".

So I said, "What if we give 5 full sites for $34.95, effectively dropping Tawnee's site to $7?" You guys reviewed it, and said "Only 5 sites for 34.95? Thats too much."

Ok, how about TEN sites for $39.95 -- we're down to $4 per site now. You guys reviewed it, and said (paraphrasing) "HOLY SHIT, $40!!! That's ridiculous!"

To me, I've slashed my prices by offering bulk discounts. Your latest was "Only 10 sites? Why not all for $40?"

I'm constantly adding sites to our network. 10 sites for $40 is $4 per site. 20 sites for $40 is $2 per site. 40 sites for $40 is $1 per site, but you guys will still say "Thats TOO EXPENSIVE!"

Well, I'm sure you understand that ADDING sites to my network doesn't LOWER my costs!

Steve you mention that you are dropping sites to $7 a site. The truth is you aren't dropping any price. You are increasing the charge on the client's card from $29.95 to $34.95. You aren't adding any costs to your bottomline, you are simply re-packaging your product to milk an extra $5 from the surfer and put yourself in a situation that will improve your retention as the client has a higher perceived value of the purchase they just made.

SteveLightspeed · 07-14-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by shap

Steve you mention that you are dropping sites to $7 a site. The truth is you aren't dropping any price. You are increasing the charge on the client's card from $29.95 to $34.95. You aren't adding any costs to your bottomline, you are simply re-packaging your product to milk an extra $5 from the surfer and put yourself in a situation that will improve your retention as the client has a higher perceived value of the purchase they just made.

From my perspective, bundling our sites was the worst thing I ever did. Yeah, it helps retention. BUT we used to get a surfer who would sign up for 3-4 sites at a time, each at full price. So I effectively went from earning $140 to earning $35.

So tell me again how I'm not offering a better deal to our fans?

rankscom · 07-14-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Ok, let me ask this, TawneeStone.com used to sell individually for $34.95. You guys reviewed it and said "That's too much".

Ok, I dropped the price of her site to 29.95, and your sales DROPPED. And your reviewers still said "That's too much".

So I said, "What if we give 5 full sites for $34.95, effectively dropping Tawnee's site to $7?" You guys reviewed it, and said "Only 5 sites for 34.95? Thats too much."

Ok, how about TEN sites for $39.95 -- we're down to $4 per site now. You guys reviewed it, and said (paraphrasing) "HOLY SHIT, $40!!! That's ridiculous!"

To me, I've slashed my prices by offering bulk discounts. Your latest was "Only 10 sites? Why not all for $40?"

I'm constantly adding sites to our network. 10 sites for $40 is $4 per site. 20 sites for $40 is $2 per site. 40 sites for $40 is $1 per site, but you guys will still say "Thats TOO EXPENSIVE!"

Well, I'm sure you understand that ADDING sites to my network doesn't LOWER my costs!

Hey Steve,

Please quote where our editors use terms like "Too Much" or "Too Expensive" for your reviews. Not saying they never do, but I read the reviews, and it doesn't apply to your site. Sure, they say "Very High Price", "A bit pricey", etc... but that's because $40/mo IS just that compared to other sites we review. We're pointing out facts, not making false judgements.

It's funny you don't mention these quotes about the LS World review:
-"Despite price, a good value."
-"The flexibility of choosing sites is great."
-"Original amateur/teen content."

How about some quotes from Tawnee's Review:
-"Who can resist Tawnee? A good quality amateur site."
-"The amateur princess is still around, and better than ever!"

You've not pointed out one good thing we've said about your sites in our reviews. The negative things you do quote, we didn't even say!

vanillaice · 07-14-2006, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rankscom

Price has only a small influence on rank. We have sites over $30/mo in our top 20. Does it have some affect, absolutely. Do other reviews in mainstream take price into account? Almost always. Go read reviews for MP3 subscription sites, they definitely take price into account. Car reviews, electronics, etc (price is almost always mentioned). The webmaster controls how much the site cost (not us), it's their choice. If they want to offer our users a special price, we would idiots to say no (users benefit, and we make more sales).

I agree, all those review places definitely factor in price. If they didn't, BMW's, etc would always rank high and family sedans would rank lower. Of course some can't afford a luxury car, but the review shouldn't be hurt because car A offers certain things car B doesn't. Car B doesn't offer these things, but they also don't charge as much as Car A, so you get a lot of value for your $12k car.

That being said, I would be a little leary of an auto review site that went to a specific car dealership and took *their* prices as part of the review. Sure, this car gets a great review because it's only $12k at their dealership, but if you go anywhere else, the same exact car is $15k. I'd rather have a review site that factored in the base price of the car as part of the review, not any sales, deals, etc.

Let's say tomshardware did a review on an Intel chip. He compared it to the current top of the line AMD chip. I of course want to know what chip is the better deal as far as speed / price / etc. I just don't want the price tomshardware sells it for. I want the normal price of the chip as part of the review. I don't click on links at tomshardware, I go to newegg to get my parts, so obviously the price is going to be different, which completely messed up the review tomshardware gave me.

Sure, tomshardware would rather me click on the links on his site to buy products, but I don't, and I shouldn't be expected to. That's the negative side of reviewing a product. You do tons of work, give out lots of detail on the site / product, and often times you don't make anything off it from certain readers.

SteveLightspeed · 07-14-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rankscom

$40/mo IS just that compared to other sites we review.

The truth is, I think comparing any of our sites to VIDEOBOX is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, and only benefits YOU.

Car review sites don't compare family sedans to sportscars or trucks, it doesn't matter what price any of them sell for

Shap · 07-14-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Well, at least you didn't slam me in THIS post.

Steve when i made my post earlier i was only stating the facts. I've had many discussions with Rick. I understand his mentality regarding the surfer and his product. I have a great respect for the site he has put together.

There are a number of review sites that review paysites as a WEBMASTER not as a surfer. Those review sites assume the surfer knows as much as webmasters know. That the surfer knows Shap owns Twistys. They'll rip my site apart based on a webmaster's feeling not the surfer. TheBestPorn is definitely not one of those sites. Their formula while not perfect does seem to be one of the best around.

I also know how i feel when i get a shitty review. I've very competitive, very passionate, and determined to run one of the best paysites around. I get the sense that you are the same way. After years and years of hard work to have some review site come in and rip it a new really is a piss off. Especially when you feel it is completely unmerited. They don't know the effort you've put in to make your site what it is. I understand that. That is why i said your post obviously was sparked by your low rating. Had you been rated what you consider to be a fair score you wouldn't have made the post and all of a sudden Rick's site wouldn't be a piece of shit. I don't believe that was ripping as much as it was calling it as i saw it.

Truth is review sites have a difficulty rating solo girl sites and niche sites. To compare a solo girl site with Twistys, Videosz, Atk the mega sites win everytime hands down. Usually the mega site will have a more friendly interface, more content, and more bang for the buck. Truth is to someone who loves a model and gets to interact with her probably doesn't care about all those things. It's tough for a review site to be able to pick up on that.

Shap · 07-14-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

From my perspective, bundling our sites was the worst thing I ever did. Yeah, it helps retention. BUT we used to get a surfer who would sign up for 3-4 sites at a time, each at full price. So I effectively went from earning $140 to earning $35.

So tell me again how I'm not offering a better deal to our fans?

The same surfer joining 3 to 4 completely different looking girls at the same time? No offence but i find that very hard to believe. Everything i've seen statistically and everything i've heard tells me that that can't be the case.

If you are taking such a hit why are you still offering bundles?

DaddyHalbucks · 07-14-2006, 10:54 AM

It's called "fair use" and it is the same legal principle that allows newspapers to quote a piece of copyrighted literature or reproduce a corporate logo.

SteveLightspeed · 07-14-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by shap

The same surfer joining 3 to 4 completely different looking girls at the same time? No offence but i find that very hard to believe. Everything i've seen statistically and everything i've heard tells me that that can't be the case.

If you are taking such a hit why are you still offering bundles?

Then how do you explain why 60- 65% of our new joins take the 10 site bundle?

How do I undo it? Think about what returning members expect, not to mention changing hundreds of thousands of ad pages created by our affiliates that mention the bundling and swapping features.

rankscom · 07-14-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by vanillaice

Let's say tomshardware did a review on an Intel chip. He compared it to the current top of the line AMD chip. I of course want to know what chip is the better deal as far as speed / price / etc. I just don't want the price tomshardware sells it for. I want the normal price of the chip as part of the review. I don't click on links at tomshardware, I go to newegg to get my parts, so obviously the price is going to be different, which completely messed up the review tomshardware gave me.

Sure, tomshardware would rather me click on the links on his site to buy products, but I don't, and I shouldn't be expected to. That's the negative side of reviewing a product. You do tons of work, give out lots of detail on the site / product, and often times you don't make anything off it from certain readers.

I understand what you're saying, but remember that our "ranks" are based on the price offerred on our site (not anywhere else), isn't that valid? We're not claiming to be the "industry ranking authority".

The user isn't shopping at a store to make the purchase, they're still buying direct from the site itself. It's not like our "deal" changes the purchase experience. They still use the same tour, the same signup page, the same members area.

SteveLightspeed · 07-14-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shap

The same surfer joining 3 to 4 completely different looking girls at the same time?

Actually, have you noticed that all our solo sites are of similar looking girls? teen, white, petite, big eyes, mostly brunettes....

I don't think its correct to say "completely different looking"

Trixxxia · 07-14-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Then how do you explain why 60- 65% of our new joins take the 10 site bundle?

How do I undo it? Think about what returning members expect, not to mention changing hundreds of thousands of ad pages created by our affiliates that mention the bundling and swapping features.

Limit the bundle - they still have access to all 10 sites but it's not full access to all archives & updates. Example:: The bundle gives them access to all of say 'last year's' content or the last 20 updates from all 10 sites in the bundle.
When you release a NEW site - do not include it in the bundle - not for a long time.

By limiting it - when they reach the end of the content and 2 girls have been fulfilling his needs for the past 2 months or so, he'll need to feed his desire to have one or perhaps both again, hence buying full memberships to all access of *her* site.

vanillaice · 07-14-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rankscom

I understand what you're saying, but remember that our "ranks" are based on the price offerred on our site (not anywhere else), isn't that valid? We're not claiming to be the "industry ranking authority".

The user isn't shopping at a store to make the purchase, they're still buying direct from the site itself. It's not like our "deal" changes the purchase experience. They still use the same tour, the same signup page, the same members area.

Yea, I definitely see that side to it, and I agree with you, I just would hope it's well known the review is based on the 'sale' price you're given and not their original price. This is for your sake to continue to build trust with the surfers as you appear to try to do. Like I said as a surfer, I would think differently of a review site if they told me how great a product was because it had a good deal at $20/month, then I go to the site another time and see it's $30/month and really not that great a deal.

I guess it's on a similar level of being brutally honest when reviewing a site opposed to fluffing up your review to make sales. Of course you'd like to fluff it up, but you have to be honest in order to build the trust.

I'm not bashing your site at all. I personally like it, and go to it all the time. More because of your affiliate information. I find it easy when i'm looking for a new site to promote to look through your listings in the niche I want and quickly find the sponsor it's with. Heck, i'm probably 'under' you for a few of my sponsors right now because of that.

Btw, if I can make a suggestion about that, I wish you made that aspect a little easier. Like have better browse capability to look for sponsors. Maybe include payouts, what type of system they use (NATS, etc), and as much info as you can. Also, on your actual website reviews, it would be cool to have a link directly to the sponsor as well as the sponsor profile page. Just suggestions from a guy who does use your site a lot for that lol.

SteveLightspeed · 07-14-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rankscom

Hey Steve,

Please quote where our editors use terms like "Too Much" or "Too Expensive" for your reviews.

You've not pointed out one good thing we've said about your sites in our reviews. The negative things you do quote, we didn't even say!

2nd Follow-Up Review Review: 02-19-06

Well, there's a bit of bad news, and a lot of "business as usual" around here it seems. The price has jumped again up to $30 a month, which is just a lot of money for a solo-girl site. Thankfully Tawnee's site is one of their biggest, so the sting isn't quite as bad. Otherwise, she's been updating and hanging out on the message board keeping things pretty similar as they were before. Video options have been added to a bit, but otherwise there's not much different around here. I think it's worth a look if you've never seen Ms. Tawnee Stone's site before, and in the end this is definitely one of those personal choices where people will either love it or not-so-love it by my guess. A lot depends on individual preferences for the girl herself - at least she's hot in my eyes.

My score will drop a bit, but not because the site is worse, there's just stiffer competition out there these days. The price increase didn't help anything either!

1st Follow-Up Review Review: 08-31-04

My 2 biggest complaints about Tawnee's site the first time around were:

#1. Too expensive
And
#2. Too much softcore

SteveLightspeed · 07-14-2006, 11:23 AM

1st Follow-Up Review Review: 08-31-04

#2. Too much softcore

Don't even get me started on "Too much softcore"

That's like knocking a tranny site for having too many trannies!

rankscom · 07-14-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vanillaice

Yea, I definitely see that side to it, and I agree with you, I just would hope it's well known the review is based on the 'sale' price you're given and not their original price. This is for your sake to continue to build trust with the surfers as you appear to try to do. Like I said as a surfer, I would think differently of a review site if they told me how great a product was because it had a good deal at $20/month, then I go to the site another time and see it's $30/month and really not that great a deal.

I guess it's on a similar level of being brutally honest when reviewing a site opposed to fluffing up your review to make sales. Of course you'd like to fluff it up, but you have to be honest in order to build the trust.

I'm not bashing your site at all. I personally like it, and go to it all the time. More because of your affiliate information. I find it easy when i'm looking for a new site to promote to look through your listings in the niche I want and quickly find the sponsor it's with. Heck, i'm probably 'under' you for a few of my sponsors right now because of that.

Btw, if I can make a suggestion about that, I wish you made that aspect a little easier. Like have better browse capability to look for sponsors. Maybe include payouts, what type of system they use (NATS, etc), and as much info as you can. Also, on your actual website reviews, it would be cool to have a link directly to the sponsor as well as the sponsor profile page. Just suggestions from a guy who does use your site a lot for that lol.

Totally agree with you, and thanks for your suggestions!!

SteveLightspeed · 07-14-2006, 11:35 AM

How can VIDEOBOX score a 98.4 -- when there is NOT ONE SINGLE VIDEO of Tawnee Stone or Jordan Capri to be found on the site?

I gotta start writing reviews myself!

"I loved this site, but I'm afraid without Tawnee or Jordan, I can only give it a score of 25. Thumbs down."

rankscom · 07-14-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

2nd Follow-Up Review Review: 02-19-06

Well, there's a bit of bad news, and a lot of "business as usual" around here it seems. The price has jumped again up to $30 a month, which is just a lot of money for a solo-girl site. Thankfully Tawnee's site is one of their biggest, so the sting isn't quite as bad. Otherwise, she's been updating and hanging out on the message board keeping things pretty similar as they were before. Video options have been added to a bit, but otherwise there's not much different around here. I think it's worth a look if you've never seen Ms. Tawnee Stone's site before, and in the end this is definitely one of those personal choices where people will either love it or not-so-love it by my guess. A lot depends on individual preferences for the girl herself - at least she's hot in my eyes.

My score will drop a bit, but not because the site is worse, there's just stiffer competition out there these days. The price increase didn't help anything either!

1st Follow-Up Review Review: 08-31-04

My 2 biggest complaints about Tawnee's site the first time around were:

#1. Too expensive
And
#2. Too much softcore

I stand corrected... Vanessa did think Tawnee's site was too expensive at $35/mo. But that's ok to me, that's her opinion and it's her job to give it.

The "too much softcore" is something I spoke to the reviewers about last year. The reviewers understand better now that each site is different and cators to specific audiences. Sometimes they still use personal tastes, but it's at a minimum. I'm assuming you're able to get these great looking teen models because it's softcore, and you're not forcing them to go hardcore.

rankscom · 07-14-2006, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

1st Follow-Up Review Review: 08-31-04

#2. Too much softcore

Don't even get me started on "Too much softcore"

That's like knocking a tranny site for having too many trannies!

I'm with you on this. I'll actually have this revised, because it looks bad for us too. It was an older review, and our reviewers are better educated now about not making these type of judgements.

SteveLightspeed · 07-14-2006, 11:51 AM

Maybe my best suggestion is to stop comparing apples to oranges. I think its irrelevant to compare Lightspeedgirls.com (a network of softcore teen solo girl sites) to Meatmembers.com (a network of extreme hardcore sites), just because they are both multisite networks.

[sarcasm]

Can you create a category for networks of cute, petite, teen, white, big-eyed, shy, softcore solo girls? I would RULE that one!

[/sarcasm]

rankscom · 07-14-2006, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

1st Follow-Up Review Review: 08-31-04

#2. Too much softcore

Don't even get me started on "Too much softcore"

That's like knocking a tranny site for having too many trannies!

Hey Steve, check Vanessa's Review now.

Matiz · 07-14-2006, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

1st Follow-Up Review Review: 08-31-04

#2. Too much softcore

rankscom · 07-14-2006, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Maybe my best suggestion is to stop comparing apples to oranges. I think its irrelevant to compare Lightspeedgirls.com (a network of softcore teen solo girl sites) to Meatmembers.com (a network of extreme hardcore sites), just because they are both multisite networks.

[sarcasm]

Can you create a category for networks of cute, petite, teen, white, big-eyed, shy, softcore solo girls? I would RULE that one!

[/sarcasm]

Now THAT's a niche!!

I assume you're referring to the fact that we have a ranking of "networks" in the column that isn't based on niche. Life at TBP can't be perfect for everyone I guess, and yeah this is something users could define if they dug deeper into our site.

For instance, if I use our Advanced Browse feature, you breakdown the ranks to say the top "networks" with "amateur" selected as the primary niche:
http://www.thebestporn.com/browse_advanced.html?listingOrder=score&listingFor mat=text&listingSecondary=1&listingSiteType=6&list ingCategory=2&listingEditor=0&listingType=0

How about top networks with "teen" as a niche:
http://www.thebestporn.com/browse_advanced.html?listingOrder=score&listingFor mat=text&listingSecondary=1&listingSiteType=6&list ingCategory=46&listingEditor=0&listingType=0
Domination!!! #1 and #2.

wedouglas · 07-14-2006, 12:08 PM

n/m ghfdh

Snake Doctor · 07-14-2006, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

1st Follow-Up Review Review: 08-31-04

#2. Too much softcore

Don't even get me started on "Too much softcore"

That's like knocking a tranny site for having too many trannies!

Yeah or knocking a BBW site because there are "too many fat girls"

or a anal site because "there's no girl/girl action"

Obviously this reviewer prefers hardcore porn, but reviewers need to look at the site from the point of view of a person who prefers that niche, be it softcore, hardcore, anal, black, latina, fat, thin, whatever.
Shouldn't the review be based solely on content quality/quantity/updates/exclusivity/customer service/and price vs value?

Dissing a site because of the "niche" it's in is pretty ridiculous.

DaddyHalbucks · 07-14-2006, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asdfqwer

Not the best idea to sell other websites using another website's content

It's perfectly legal for copyrighted material to be used on a review site under the doctrine of "fair use."

You need to Google: "fair use."

Pipecrew · 07-14-2006, 12:26 PM

I wonder about review sites sometimes as well. I read reviews and wonder if they even visited the site in the first place alot of times. Not just for our sites but for alot of other sites I am a member of.

Surfers are not stupid though, alot of times they see through the bias and join anyways. If everyone listened to Siskel and Ebert or every guy that writes movie reviews, people would never leave their houses.

Sarah_Jayne · 07-14-2006, 12:30 PM

A lot of review sites would just do well to not review fetish sites if they don't have a clue about the fetish.

RawAlex · 07-14-2006, 12:33 PM

When the industry started moving to "all these sites for one price" they effectively screwed the affiliates in the ass pretty hard, IMHO, and here is why:

Let's say I promote a bunch of different sites in a program. Well, once a horny surfer willing to use a CC to join has joined 1 of those sites, he is 100% useless to me ever again for anything in that program, because he will have seen it all. This is doubly so for programs that have many sites that are similar in nature (gonzo porn, big tits, cumshots, whatever). The surfer pays one price, burns through the sites in a couple of month, and then when he comes back to my TGP / link sites / guide whatever, he already has 30 or 40 sites crossed off his list. All the promotion in the world isn't going to get him to sign up to any of those sites.

My feeling is that it would be better to have a lower ($9.99 per month) on individual sites rather than packaging them UP and making the effective price down to a couple of dollars per site. You get less from the surfer up front, but you can keep upselling him over and over to other sites within your network. Packaging stuff together just kills potential future sales by giving it all away now.

For me it makes money now short term and blows away long term potential. It is almost to a point where it is better for the affiliates to promote only a single "all in" site for each program rather than the individual sites.

venus · 07-14-2006, 12:39 PM

I agree, your ratio with us is 1/253 over a 16 month period, with monthly ratios ranging from 1/60 to 1/300

its pretty good traffic, but your reviewers could make you more money if they understood what they were reviewing and not think all sites are ran the same.

My site for example, I had a negative comment that I had canned content that was found on other sites, well yes I do, there is a reason for it that you do not know about and your reviewers who know it all never asked, they just assume they know something. I have a standing policy that if one of my members saw something on another site and would like to see me add it, I will do my best to find it and get it added (if its available), thats why I have some of the stuff I have, it was requested ... then another reviewer said something about having the stuff surfers want to see. Well, your reviewers may not want to see what I have or like it, but my members like what I have and so do my surfers.

I do what my members ask of me, not some review site. I will never know how you think you can speak for my customers and I will never impliment anything your reviewers suggest for the simple reason, I want to stay in business.
This is why I don't cooperate with your site any more and will not give them a password to my site.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom

One more thing to think about price...

We have dozens of sites that we convert 1:20 or better.

rankscom · 07-14-2006, 12:50 PM

BTW, when we started TBP back in late 2003... our goal was to try and play on each reviewers specific personality and tastes. They each had specific tastes, and we wanted to be able to play on that. We figured since we had 4 different reviewers, the overall combination of those reviews would give users a good representation.

It worked great for some sites, but bad for others. So since then we've more to an unbiased less judgemental type of review style.

To defend my reviewers further, they are fuckin great at their job. It's a tough thing to balance what "surfers" expect form us (solid honest opinions), stay unbiased to their personal tastes, and stay positive and fair to the webmaster.

You've made your opinions CLEAR about your how feel about our reviews, and I quote you: "half assed bullshit, as usual --- i'm fucking sick of your shitty reviews". There's more you said in this thread like "TBP can kiss my fuckin ass", etc.

Hey, fair is fair, right? You have every right to judge us as well. But let's recap... You gave them zero credit for the positive things they have said, haven't thanked us for any of the sales we've sent, and instead insulted us publically with no explanation why. Until now, we're finally getting to the heart of it.

You can advertise to everyone how our reviews are bullshit, but take a look at how you've judged us, then compare that!

SteveLightspeed · 07-14-2006, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom

Now THAT's a niche!!

I assume you're referring to the fact that we have a ranking of "networks" in the column that isn't based on niche. Life at TBP can't be perfect for everyone I guess, and yeah this is something users could define if they dug deeper into our site.

For instance, if I use our Advanced Browse feature, you breakdown the ranks to say the top "networks" with "amateur" selected as the primary niche:
http://www.thebestporn.com/browse_advanced.html?listingOrder=score&listingFor mat=text&listingSecondary=1&listingSiteType=6&list ingCategory=2&listingEditor=0&listingType=0

How about top networks with "teen" as a niche:
http://www.thebestporn.com/browse_advanced.html?listingOrder=score&listingFor mat=text&listingSecondary=1&listingSiteType=6&list ingCategory=46&listingEditor=0&listingType=0
Domination!!! #1 and #2.

Ok, here's one more to toss your way:

LightspeedGirls and LightspeedWorld have EXACTLY the SAME interface, options, site choices, and price. In fact, they both use the same backend. They are basically two different tours for the exact same network, since August of 2005.

BUT

07-12-06 82.4 4. Lightspeed World (26)
05-20-06 80.8 6. Lightspeed Girls (19)

wedouglas · 07-14-2006, 01:13 PM

I rank all sites pretty equal. I'm here to make the sale and I know what they are looking for. I'm not trying to sell lightspeed people to karups. If they search lightspeed, they are going to see a good score for lightspeed that doesnt differentiate much from others in the niche.

Money is money. I just provide the review text. All my scores are pretty even.

rankscom · 07-14-2006, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

A lot of review sites would just do well to not review fetish sites if they don't have a clue about the fetish.

We do want to open "niche" based reviews someday with reviewers who specialize in that niche. I agree, our reviews are not the best they could be in regards to specific fetishes. But there are other advantages by having the same editors scoring each site versus different reviewers.

This is the direction we had to choose:

1. Have the same 4 editors review each site in every niche, then avg the score (for our official review format). This way you have consistent scoring throughout our reviews.

2. Have different reviewers in each niche who specialize in those fields. Problem with that is each reviewer has their own way of scoring that won't stay consistent.

In a perfect world, we have diff sites for each niche with specialized reviewers and separate scoring system for each site. Then comes the challenge of finding reviewers for every niche, and make sure they're good at reviewing sites. Not to mention other training that goes into hiring reviewers.

Our "hopeful" answer to most of this is our upcoming site "pornusers.com", which will be dedicated to ONLY user reviews. Another challenge in other ways, but at least we'll be doing our best to get reviews and opinions from the actual customers. Look for this site to launch in the fall of this yr.

Sarah_Jayne · 07-14-2006, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom

We do want to open "niche" based reviews someday with reviewers who specialize in that niche. I agree, our reviews are not the best they could be in regards to specific fetishes. But there are other advantages by having the same editors scoring each site versus different reviewers.

This is the direction we had to choose:

1. Have the same 4 editors review each site in every niche, then avg the score (for our official review format). This way you have consistent scoring throughout our reviews.

2. Have different reviewers in each niche who specialize in those fields. Problem with that is each reviewer has their own way of scoring that won't stay consistent.

In a perfect world, we have diff sites for each niche with specialized reviewers and separate scoring system for each site. Then comes the challenge of finding reviewers for every niche, and make sure they're good at reviewing sites. Not to mention other training that goes into hiring reviewers.

Our "hopeful" answer to most of this is our upcoming site "pornusers.com", which will be dedicated to ONLY user reviews. Another challenge in other ways, but at least we'll be doing our best to get reviews and opinions from the actual customers. Look for this site to launch in the fall of this yr.

I wasn't being particular about your site. I rather like your site in a lot of ways, actually. I do a lot of fetish and microniche site work and when I go to a lot of sites that are reviewing a niche like BBW, for example, it is clear the people reviewing aren't looking at the site the way a surfer looking for a BBW site would. When it gets down to more specific fetishes such as balloons, for example, that is even more clear.

Maybe I should start an agency offering writers for review sites that are familiar with fetishes and microniches.

rankscom · 07-14-2006, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Ok, here's one more to toss your way:

LightspeedGirls and LightspeedWorld have EXACTLY the SAME interface, options, site choices, and price. In fact, they both use the same backend. They are basically two different tours for the exact same network, since August of 2005.

BUT

07-12-06 82.4 4. Lightspeed World (26)
05-20-06 80.8 6. Lightspeed Girls (19)

Man, you can't help but dig further, eh?

The fact that the scores are that close in nature, means our consistent scoring model works well. If they were the same exact network, we wouldn't even score them both, we'd review one only.

The difference is Lighspeed World has 7 additional sites, simple as that. Users have more choice, and $210 worth of additional value as you would say.

Listen, I don't know if that's clearly why it's scored higher, I'm not the reviewer. But that would make sense to me.

SteveLightspeed · 07-14-2006, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom

You've made your opinions CLEAR about your how feel about our reviews, and I quote you: "half assed bullshit, as usual --- i'm fucking sick of your shitty reviews". There's more you said in this thread like "TBP can kiss my fuckin ass", etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Ok, I've stayed out of this post for a while deliberately to absorb many other people's opinions. I admit that I did react emotionally, and for that I apologize to Rick, Aly, and thebestporn.com crew.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom

haven't thanked us for any of the sales we've sent.

Wait, "THANKED YOU FOR THE SALES"? Did you get your CHECKS? I assume so, since they've all been CASHED! Did you get your Chrismas card? Cash any reward points lately? C'mon Rick, low blow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom

You can advertise to everyone how our reviews are bullshit, but take a look at how you've judged us, then compare that!.

I'm sorry if you feel like I'm still bashing on you, because I've stopped. I apologized for doing it at all.

But you DID ask for suggestions, and I've been posting them here.

07-14-2006, 07:23 AM	#251
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07-14-2006, 09:14 AM	#257
rankscom Rick Moby Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 433	One more thing to think about price... From a webmaster point of view, I don't think it really sinks in. The moment you're the consumer, you care about price! I know people who make almost 7 figures who still shop for bargains in stores. -If DVD's went from $15-20 to $40, would you be more selective? -If Netflix increased their cost from $20 to $40/mo, is that still worth it? -If I told you to judge two porn sites where the members area was virtually the same, one was $20/mo, one was $40/mo, would you give them the same rating? Consumers care a ton about cost. It's only until recently they've been offerred resources that allow them to compare sites quickly and effectively. That college student living off less than $1,000 a month but can't stop from getting off online, he might take a shot at a site under $20/mo. An old retired guy who care barely get it up anymore definitely cares about saving an extra $10 per month on his porn habit. Don't get me wrong, there are a ton of users out there that do not look at price, do not care. In fact, the majority of surfers have still have never found resources like review sites to know how much a porn site "could" cost. When they find out there are solid sites that cost half of what they were paying before, they "will" and "do" take hard notice (no pun intended). Our traffic is so concentrated with "heavy" porn buyers, that our conversions are off the charts. We have dozens of sites that we convert 1:20 or better. This traffic is usually unrecognized by webmasters, it's different from any in the past. Most traffic you could charge anything and it might not affect sales either way. Our traffic (and probably all review site traffc), completely the opposite. We're not telling anyone to drop their price. We're just trying to educate them on how it would affect their sales from our web-site. The #1 question we get asked from affiliate programs is "how can we do more sales with you guys"? Simple answer... higher rating, lower price. But that's us, we know our traffic. __________________ MyPorn.com - Porn's most anticipated free site of tomorrow. Coming Q4, 2015.

07-14-2006, 10:06 AM	#260
AmateurFlix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 7,762	I'm amazed this thread has gone on for 3 days and remained an actual business discussion the entire time on GFY. This must be some kind of record lol. __________________

07-14-2006, 10:16 AM	#261
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	Ok, let me ask this, TawneeStone.com used to sell individually for $34.95. You guys reviewed it and said "That's too much". Ok, I dropped the price of her site to 29.95, and your sales DROPPED. And your reviewers still said "That's too much". So I said, "What if we give 5 full sites for $34.95, effectively dropping Tawnee's site to $7?" You guys reviewed it, and said "Only 5 sites for 34.95? Thats too much." Ok, how about TEN sites for $39.95 -- we're down to $4 per site now. You guys reviewed it, and said (paraphrasing) "HOLY SHIT, $40!!! That's ridiculous!" To me, I've slashed my prices by offering bulk discounts. Your latest was "Only 10 sites? Why not all for $40?" I'm constantly adding sites to our network. 10 sites for $40 is $4 per site. 20 sites for $40 is $2 per site. 40 sites for $40 is $1 per site, but you guys will still say "Thats TOO EXPENSIVE!" Well, I'm sure you understand that ADDING sites to my network doesn't LOWER my costs! __________________ Abra-cadabra! Last edited by SteveLightspeed; 07-14-2006 at 10:18 AM..

07-14-2006, 10:54 AM	#271
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	It's called "fair use" and it is the same legal principle that allows newspapers to quote a piece of copyrighted literature or reproduce a corporate logo. __________________ Boner Money

07-14-2006, 07:30 AM	#252
SpeakEasy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Internet Posts: 2,681	Surfers very rarely will read a review site if ever. The surfer (potential paysite member) doesn't even know what a review site is. Only webmasters will ever read a review site, so in the big scope of things it really doesn't matter all that much.....

07-14-2006, 09:24 AM	#258
vanillaice Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 512	I have a shitty little review site, which is not my main source of income (hardly a source of income) so I don't speak as a reviewer here. I do see more of the point of the sale price having an effect on the review. If I go to a review site, I don't want to know this '6' review product is suddenly a '7' because they dropped their price for the reviewer. The product is still a '6', it's just cheaper. I drink coke, and I can tell you that the quality of coke doesn't increase or decrease when it's on sale. It takes the same, it's just on sale at one store. At another store it may cost $4 a 12 pack. I know review sites want to be honest, but that actually hurts your cause. If the avg surfer stumbles upon a review site that gets discounts, and their reviews are skewed by those discounts, they're going to be confused. They'll see a 9 rated 'bigtits.com' site (for random example), mainly because bigtits.com offered the reviewer a 75% decrease in price, so of course the site now looks like a huge bargain. The surfer leaves and without clicking on the link, he goes directly to bigtits.com. Doesn't notice the sale is now gone, joins and notices the members area isn't that good at all, but he paid full price for it so now he questions the review site that gave it a '9'. Don't get me wrong, i'm not against giving users 'sale' prices, and even promoting it that way, and I do agree the cost of a site should play some role in determining the value you'll get for your buck, I just think it's a risky move to factor in an exclusive sale price only you have. Just my

07-14-2006, 11:23 AM	#278
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	1st Follow-Up Review Review: 08-31-04 #2. Too much softcore Don't even get me started on "Too much softcore" That's like knocking a tranny site for having too many trannies! __________________ Abra-cadabra!

07-14-2006, 11:35 AM	#280
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	How can VIDEOBOX score a 98.4 -- when there is NOT ONE SINGLE VIDEO of Tawnee Stone or Jordan Capri to be found on the site? I gotta start writing reviews myself! "I loved this site, but I'm afraid without Tawnee or Jordan, I can only give it a score of 25. Thumbs down." __________________ Abra-cadabra! Last edited by SteveLightspeed; 07-14-2006 at 11:36 AM..

07-14-2006, 11:51 AM	#283
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	Maybe my best suggestion is to stop comparing apples to oranges. I think its irrelevant to compare Lightspeedgirls.com (a network of softcore teen solo girl sites) to Meatmembers.com (a network of extreme hardcore sites), just because they are both multisite networks. [sarcasm] Can you create a category for networks of cute, petite, teen, white, big-eyed, shy, softcore solo girls? I would RULE that one! [/sarcasm] __________________ Abra-cadabra!

07-14-2006, 12:08 PM	#287
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	n/m ghfdh

07-14-2006, 12:26 PM	#290
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	I wonder about review sites sometimes as well. I read reviews and wonder if they even visited the site in the first place alot of times. Not just for our sites but for alot of other sites I am a member of. Surfers are not stupid though, alot of times they see through the bias and join anyways. If everyone listened to Siskel and Ebert or every guy that writes movie reviews, people would never leave their houses.

07-14-2006, 12:30 PM	#291
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	A lot of review sites would just do well to not review fetish sites if they don't have a clue about the fetish.

07-14-2006, 12:33 PM	#292
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	When the industry started moving to "all these sites for one price" they effectively screwed the affiliates in the ass pretty hard, IMHO, and here is why: Let's say I promote a bunch of different sites in a program. Well, once a horny surfer willing to use a CC to join has joined 1 of those sites, he is 100% useless to me ever again for anything in that program, because he will have seen it all. This is doubly so for programs that have many sites that are similar in nature (gonzo porn, big tits, cumshots, whatever). The surfer pays one price, burns through the sites in a couple of month, and then when he comes back to my TGP / link sites / guide whatever, he already has 30 or 40 sites crossed off his list. All the promotion in the world isn't going to get him to sign up to any of those sites. My feeling is that it would be better to have a lower ($9.99 per month) on individual sites rather than packaging them UP and making the effective price down to a couple of dollars per site. You get less from the surfer up front, but you can keep upselling him over and over to other sites within your network. Packaging stuff together just kills potential future sales by giving it all away now. For me it makes money now short term and blows away long term potential. It is almost to a point where it is better for the affiliates to promote only a single "all in" site for each program rather than the individual sites.

07-14-2006, 12:50 PM	#294
rankscom Rick Moby Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 433	BTW, when we started TBP back in late 2003... our goal was to try and play on each reviewers specific personality and tastes. They each had specific tastes, and we wanted to be able to play on that. We figured since we had 4 different reviewers, the overall combination of those reviews would give users a good representation. It worked great for some sites, but bad for others. So since then we've more to an unbiased less judgemental type of review style. To defend my reviewers further, they are fuckin great at their job. It's a tough thing to balance what "surfers" expect form us (solid honest opinions), stay unbiased to their personal tastes, and stay positive and fair to the webmaster. You've made your opinions CLEAR about your how feel about our reviews, and I quote you: "half assed bullshit, as usual --- i'm fucking sick of your shitty reviews". There's more you said in this thread like "TBP can kiss my fuckin ass", etc. Hey, fair is fair, right? You have every right to judge us as well. But let's recap... You gave them zero credit for the positive things they have said, haven't thanked us for any of the sales we've sent, and instead insulted us publically with no explanation why. Until now, we're finally getting to the heart of it. You can advertise to everyone how our reviews are bullshit, but take a look at how you've judged us, then compare that! __________________ MyPorn.com - Porn's most anticipated free site of tomorrow. Coming Q4, 2015.

07-14-2006, 01:13 PM	#296
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	I rank all sites pretty equal. I'm here to make the sale and I know what they are looking for. I'm not trying to sell lightspeed people to karups. If they search lightspeed, they are going to see a good score for lightspeed that doesnt differentiate much from others in the niche. Money is money. I just provide the review text. All my scores are pretty even.