Strokin' at work! At least lock the door.

PornDaddy, you continue to make false statements, if you want to talk to me about this like a professional then lets do. Otherwise have a good day.

Derek. As you stated quite clearly. we have been dealing with this for 2 years. Now you have to deal with me in public.
Until you pay me, you will have to deal with me in public.


Your week is nearing!!

Derek you are quickly becoming known as one of the biggest spammers.

God you need to chill

True that!

Why didn't they post the pic of ummm...Nevermind
hehehe. :eek2

I don't know anything about this specific issue, but...

People/companies pay $100k to throw parties to build up their reputation, but you won't pay $600 to help your reputation? It makes no sense.

Even if you think you're right, just pay him to make yourself look like the good guy. Plead "no contest" and move on.

True, very true!

Guys, I'm gonna clear this all up for you. For those of you who don't know me, I'm the prez of Xamo Entertainment.

If there were any deals made from Derek & PornDaddy, it didn't come through me, which means it didn't exist officially. I know nothing about Xamo Entertainment owing you money, believe me if we did it would have been paid whenever it was owed. If there was a side deal PornDaddy, so be it. Talk to Derek about it in private, and it will be handled. Please don't claim that you did things for Derek such as get him a raise, or get him a better position. Derek did all of that on his own, through his own hard work.

For those of you that stick up for Derek, thanks. I know he works hard, and sometimes he fucks up just like the rest of us. But anyone that has known him for a long time knows he's a stand up guy, and is willing to bend over backwards for any of you. (ahem, some of you even literally).

have a good week...

Porndaddy didn't say Xamo owed him money. He said Derek owed him money. Derek as much as admitted it on this board several times. It would appear that Porndaddy has tried for a couple of years to get his money to no avail...so now it's going public.

thats some B.S I was in a similar situation and visa ended up granting me a chargeback because you are still responsible for what your employee does, you dont have to be informed, you can always plead ignorance anyways

Mike. You should be smart enough not to jump in the middle of this thread. And it's obvious you didn't read any of it. As far as getting Derek a better position and raise. that is common knowledge. Derek has posted that several times on various boards in the past. Ask him yourself and he will tell you what I am refering to. If he tells you something else, please let me know and I will search for the posts so you know what kind of person your dealing with. As for the money owed me. I understood that Derek was doing this behind your back to make himself look better. I have no beef with you Mike, but if you choose to get in the middle of this, then so be it!!

PornDaddy
ICQ 1619962

Well Derek your week is up.

Mike. as you see Derek would rather give away your content than pay me the money he owes me out of his own pocket. I'm surprised that is not an issue with you. Unfortunately I have no other option than to let everyone know the type of business you run, and the type of person Derek is.
This thread will stand as my proof of him owing me the money.
No more is needed so you really don't need to worry about me disparaging your company; Derek has already done it for me ;^))

I'm certainly surprised that you would let $700 do this much damage to your credibility.

PornDaddy

Is there going to be a fight ?
Both of them could be oiled up and they have to fight to death in public using hammers and screwdrivers and nailguns and stuff ! And we could broadcast it on the net.

Horg, Please stop trying to see me oiled up.
I told you several times. Only if we are sharing a prison cell!!

;^))

Well if you kill him in this fight you will go in a prison cell, and I know a lot of guys who are in prison who can try you out for me !

Well Thank you Horg. It's nice to know I won't be lonely in Prison.
The people in this industry are so giving ;^))

Porndaddy,

This is my final post to this situation.

When you get to my level of success at such a fast pace and young age of course your going to have someone try to bring you down. This happens all
the time. I got there by being honest. Porndaddy has a new program out and
is looking for webmasters. Why not discredit someone to bring him some
attention.

I asked you for ANY form of correspondence of our reseller agreement. I
never got that email Porndaddy. Like NOTHING! How convienient that's it's a
verbal agreement. LOL Your hiding behind your computer dude. Why didn't you
call me and settle person to person.

I've been at the same parties as you in Vegas and you don't even know who I
am for Christ sake..... yet I owe you monies and he had an agreement. Who
are you kidding here.

All Xamo content deals have to be passed thru Mike. We went thru the records
and found nothing Porndaddy. You continue to make false statements. And it
hurting you and not me.

Here's a funny story this thread has brought me three new game sales. DO I
owe you commissions on those. Keep posting lies Porndaddy. Sales are going
thru the roof. People know I'm a straight up legitimate guy and this thread
makes them laugh every time they read it. Thanks again PD.

Why don't you tell GFY why you have been fired from CEN, SEG, Darren Blatt
and list goes on and on. I haven't heard one positive thing about you and I
went digging from Ynot to content companies. I'm not going to stoop to your
level and call you names. I'll leave that to you.

What Porndaddy doesn't realize this is webmaster board. Who in there right
mind would promote his program if this is the way he acts. Your immaturity
and unprofessional behavior proves why your broke and need the $600.

Now if I gave you the monies what from stopping another webmaster from
starting a bullshit thread to get $600...Right?

It makes me laugh that Horg replies to this thread. For all you guys he
works for Paul at adultwebgames so this is a lame attempt to discredit me.
Nice try dude. Same with 3Xguru he's new on the game market and needs a
boost however possible. Man you guys wonder why your still in the sandbox.
Time to step it up a level.

Your argument is weak.

I look forward to meeting you in person.

Derek. You think by repeatedly saying I got fired will help your case?? I never EVER worked for CEN. nor have I ever heard of
anyone named Darren Blatt. Your making stuff up. I did work for SEG but I left on my own. They even paid for my trip to Jamaica 3 months after I left. I don't think they would have done that if I was fired. I was fired from Cybererotica's AWE shows. Maybe that's what your referring to. However, I don't see why that would void our agreement?

The bottom line is that you DO own me $700 for 2 sales I made.
You say your a man of your word, but your verbal agreements are not valid unless they are in writing?

You have already tried to pay me in content which you don't own.
Why would I want your bosses content?

If you don't remember making a deal with me, then how did you know how long it has been that we have been dealing with this??

I have spoke to you in private over ICQ and email to no avail.
I gave you plenty of time to pay up.


Like I said. your times up little one!!

Derek,

I was personally fine watching from the outside on this thread while you and PornDaddy deal with the situation that you have between the two of you. I personally take a very professional approach to my business and I do not waste my time posting and flaming others on the boards.

I did not comment on this post because the relationship you and I have had in the past has had some highs and lows, but it ment nothing to do with the topic on this thread.

I refuse to take a low road on replying to you comments above, and I would like to at least clarify something that you have missunderstood at least about my company and who works for me.

Horg, who owns a very successful website design company is 100% and totally on his own. I did hire him to graphically redesign mysite and games content several months ago, and he did such a great job and understood my product so much that I did have him out with me at the last Internext Show to help in the promotion of the relaunch of our Adult Web Games content.

Horg is not an employee of my company, and you as well as anyone else can contract out his services at anytime. Just because he did some design work for me on a contract basis does not make him am employee of mine, which he is not.

I am confused what this had to do with the conversation both you and PornDaddy are talking about and I think it was an unneeded comment and unprofessional that you fealt compelled to bring my company in this conversation.

I think you know and respect that from day one I have been very supportive of competition between our two companies, and time and time again your comments were not needed. It is strange how I have from day one you have publicly made negative comments about me and my company while I have never once ever made a similar type of comment to anyone about you.

I feel this is a thread I should not have taken part in, but I needed to at least clarify untruths.

I am also saddened that a thread like this would result in getting you any sales at all. I see how everytime one of us posts that this thread is going back to the top of the list.


Also, 3Xguru, welcome to the business. You have a great game,and I am sure more to come in the future. There is always room for good, honest, ethical competition in any business and category. Keep your head up and don't let thread like this take you off your current path.


Well.....I hope to see everyone at the Internext show coming up in about 50 days. I look forward to meeting many new faces there.

BTW...I normally go by PMGames on all of the other boards and chats. :)

Derek.....
I just woke up.. still having my coffee and I am sent to read this thread.....

You state: "YOu guys do this to make me look bad that's all. They know that we know that. "

Let me clue you in a bit here... Derek, you don't need help to look bad sweetheart...

You say you are 24? after our dealings with you, I would have guessed 12...

You also make this absurd statement: "When you get to my level of success at such a fast pace and young age of course your going to have someone try to bring you down. "

There are several things I could say about that...However lets Use MarcDe from ARS as an example... I've known him for years and you are of a similar age.. I don't recall ANYONE Ever posting that He owed them money... the point here is that AGE has absolutely nothing to do with Honest Business pratices...

Your slamming PD and bringing up his past employment has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you owe him $700. for helping you out... Back to your statement of "when you get to my level".... well sweetheart, I would suggest that YOU act your age and as a professional business person and Stop slinging mud to cover your own dirty tracks.....


Now, please pay the man and lets all get back to making money????

Derek, the only thing I said that could be taken as discredit to you is "Looks like the only ones in defence of Derek are chicks that like his butt. I wish I was a sexy bitch too !", which I don't think removes much credits from you. Not trying to start a war with you, I don't even know you, we saw each other quickly at Vegas and that's all. Oh and what PMGames was saying is true, I have never been an employee of him, the only company I have ever been an employee of is DHL (privatefeeds.com), here in Montréal. So calm down and find your arguments somewhere else.

Looks like someone needs to came down to earth.

Not for nothing but this industry is built and based on relationships and verbal agreements. You are only as good as your word.

All my traffic deals are verbal agreements and if i don't live up to my word then i lose the biz and vise visa.

Derek fukkin ROCKS !!! :Graucho

OK.... I have been IM several times about this thread and my comments on it, so for public record for ALL to see ... here it is :

Yes it is true that Derek is a personal friend ... he was my houseguest for several days last year when he came to Toronto for the B Side Party ... as far as on a personal level, I can not think of a negative thing to say about the guy ...

I will admit to some of his posts being a little on the spammy side ... but his creativity on how to deliver this week's new spam is second to none, and I tip my hat to him ... his style makes reading his spams worthwhile ... I certainly am not about to crucify him for that ....

As far as the details to his and PD business dealings, I only know as much as anybody who has read this post in it's entirety ...

I am not about to guess who is right and who is wrong here ... I do not have nearly enough of the facts to do so ... but Derek, your rep has suffered a couple serious blows thus far ... being dealt by PornDaddy first ... then Pattyecake ... both of them are highly regarded in this biz ...

I am not suggesting that you are in the wrong Derek .... believe me I am not ... but for the sake of $600 dollars, is it really worth the dents in your reputation ?? :(

My suggestion would be why do you not offer to pay the $600 ... ???
Whether you believe you owe it or not ... makes you a man of honor, and you come out of this smelling like roses ...

Just my $0.02 Bro .... you know I love ya !!

because he's broke...

Doc ... you've been pretty bitter about several things lately ... You not getting laid ??? :eek2

How is stating that he is broke being bitter?

he said so himself in this thread a couple time already...




and I have a regular gf... and she's quite needy ;)))

Derek,
Porn Daddy does not need your $600. Believe me I do business with the guy and know he doesn't. Offering content to settle a debt is an admission of guilt.

I sugest you pay him or I'll pull every product of yours from my twenty plus sites and make sure my peers know how you run your operation.

it's not to late to save face.
Let this thread get buried and pay the man what he is owed.

That's my :2 cents:

DragonKing~~~~~~~~

Doug McGregor VP Xamo Entertainment and I spoke on the phone tonight. I must say. Doug is a very nice and intelligent man. He assured me that this would be resolved very quickly and I am ok with that.

Doug asked for some proof that I had helped Derek get a raise there. Well here it is below. Archives rule!! ;^)
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http://www.ynotmasters.com/news/ynew...01/page10.html
Hello Ynoters,

My new favorite site. Ynotbob.com. Even I don't sound like such a newbie after your read some of the shit on his sites. Now how do I convince Bob get Xamo Games on his california babes.com site? lol

I don't know if we have met or not. My name is Derek Smout from Xamo Entertainment. I do sales and promotions here. I have been in the biz for 6 months so I'm still a newbie. But I love meeting new people in the adult biz. When I first started I was so shy and scared that all these people in this biz are freeks but it hasn't been the case at all. Nothing but love from you guys! :)

....> Porndaddy was the first to help me and I will never forget his ideas for they help me get my first raise! Thanks Porndaddy

At Xamo we do X-games. I'm in the process of re-vamping the games but I ran out of ideas. Can you please take a look at the games.

http://samples.xamo.com

User: xamo Pass : games

I need to update the games. I need suggestions. Like how can I make the games more animated, I want more interactivity, how can I change the interfaces, I would love to change up the flash menus too.

I not a graphics desiger by any means but the boss wanted to get my input but I'm dumbfounded. YOu input would be appreaicted. I could never spell that word. All ideas would help secure my position here at Xamo. Please help me.

If your suggestions sticks I willing to give out $349 worh of games content. So what are you wainting for? hehe

Kind Regards,

Derek Smout
Xamo Entertainment Inc.
[email protected]
Icq-101194208
Toll Free: 800-544-XAMO
Worldwide: 1-204-725-1314
http://www.xamo.com

Derek Smout ( Smout ) [ Profile ] [ Contact ] - Xamo.com 05/02/2001 15:50:44 EDT Post # 42247 IP: 216.36.148.16
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Do I need to say anymore?


I will post here one more time and that is to let ou know when I receive the $700.

*bump*

have a good weekend

Doug at Xamo games took care of Derek's monetary issues with me. However, I do believe that Derek owes us all an apology.

Thank you Doug and Xamo Games for looking
into this matter and resolving it.

Derek I hope you have learned a valuable lesson from all of this.

Im glad this has been resolved :)

Interesting... :2 cents:

give us the link to the guy masterbating :P

well...never write a check your ass cant cash.Because archives are a muhfucka!!!:1orglaugh

How does that equal $700 cash???

I am interested in adult games after looking at his site, can anyone recommend another gaming site I don't like the way this thread turned out.

Thanks,

Sean

hehe, from start to finish, that has to be one of the best threads i've seen...aside from the ccbill/pimpdog thread.

Did I mention I got an adult.com ashtray too.?

How , I would kill for one of those, my boss LOVES his cigarettes!

Well I take it this ordeal got Derek canned from Xamo. I just checked and he no longer works there.

StupidNewbie : stay close, in about a week I will launch my games website. Until now I designed 3 Flash MX games : Strip Poker, Strip BlackJack and Sextris.
There is one thing that you'll love at my games: versatility.
You can customize almost everything in the game: the pics , the interface (external jpgs); the number of the pics, the initial credit, the price for every strip, the maximum and minimum bet (external settings file); the sounds (external mp3s); the help and top 10 texts.
The games have an url protection so that users will not be able to steal from the browser cache.

I can assure you that the price will be very attractive.

To set the record straight, the deal between Porndaddy and Derek has not affected in any way Derek's employment. We're all on good terms now.

We're restructuring and reorganizing our marketing efforts here at Xamo, and we wish Derek all the luck in the future. If anyone wants to talk, just drop me a line: 1-800-544-XAMO

Best Regards,

Doug McGregor
VP Xamo Entertainment
http://www.xamo.com

for games, if you dont go for XAMO, check out

http://www.adultwebgames.com/

Paul is a good guy.

You should check out my Strip Poker game.
It's quite good and the best part is that you can buy it for 100$, not rent it like other sites do.
Check it out HERE !

And one more thing: Yes Paul M from adultwebgames.com is realy a good guy. You should also take a look at his free games too.

LOL! :1orglaugh

so in other words he was canned?

DrGuile,

Thank you for the kind words. :)

We have over 50+ totally different straight games, and 40+ gay games. Our straight games feature images and streaming video clips from Matrix Content who is our straight game partner. Also, our gay games feature Badpuppy images as well.

We take a more low key approach to marketing, so I normally don't hit the boards that often to talk about our content, but you will find our top notch upscale games on many popular sites.

Again, thanks DrGuile for the kind remarks.

Now here's a man of his Word! Paul from adultwebgames!!

Your games rock paul!!

:thumbsup