So how much do paysites make? - GoFuckYourself.com

Chris Corn · 07-09-2006, 06:39 AM

Particularly interested in solo and multi girl sites. I know they range but what do they make roughly? I know some sites run about 7k members at $25/mth a pop minus all the overhead junk. So anyone have any real numbers to go by? Is 500k to 1 mil/year profit for a solo girl out of wack?

Chris Corn · 07-09-2006, 06:42 AM

Double post sorry, let this one fall...

DWB · 07-09-2006, 06:42 AM

Out of wack...

Big_Red · 07-09-2006, 06:47 AM

there is no money in porn.

Chris Corn · 07-09-2006, 07:00 AM

K how about 200k/year?

Jace · 07-09-2006, 07:11 AM

yes, both figures you have stated are WAY out of whack

no one is going to give you real #'s...but I can tell you that you are thinking in the clouds my friend

I can tell you this though, average member base for a successfull solo girl site is about 300-400 members rebilling....

our site isn't there yet, but slowely climbing

Nicky · 07-09-2006, 07:15 AM

Thats almost impossible to answer without knowing further things such as marketing efforts, affiliate promotions, knowing what is needed to reach a certain sales level and so on.

Violetta · 07-09-2006, 07:16 AM

The first year(s) you will struggle hard and wont have much profit. I takes time to get affiliates, and it is a shitload of work! Now these days there are 1000's of sologirl sites... And harder to get the good affiliates.

SilentKnight · 07-09-2006, 07:17 AM

How much does a car cost?

VicD · 07-09-2006, 07:20 AM

It will be a mystery forever

Nicky · 07-09-2006, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

yes, both figures you have stated are WAY out of whack

no one is going to give you real #'s...but I can tell you that you are thinking in the clouds my friend

I can tell you this though, average member base for a successfull solo girl site is about 300-400 members rebilling....

our site isn't there yet, but slowely climbing

So you would call a solo girl site rebilling 300 members a month a successfull site? After content costs, hosting, marketing, processing, where is the profit in 300 rebills a month? You can live on it but would successfull be the right words?

Not trying to bash you or anything but 300-400 rebills per month really seems low for being "successfull"

Rui · 07-09-2006, 07:22 AM

Don't want to sound offensive but this sort of question is stupid to say the least...

You have a gazzilion variables, you cant break it down to an "average"..

cranki · 07-09-2006, 07:24 AM

10 dollah a day ballpack figah

CIVMatt · 07-09-2006, 07:28 AM

I think the question you should be asking is what percentage do you pay the girl?

vod · 07-09-2006, 07:29 AM

paysites and recurring monthly will slowly turn to 'on Demand'

non-recurring subscriptions. streaming ppv. = HUGE retention.

see sig...

Jace · 07-09-2006, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

So you would call a solo girl site rebilling 300 members a month a successfull site? After content costs, hosting, marketing, processing, where is the profit in 300 rebills a month? You can live on it but would successfull be the right words?

Not trying to bash you or anything but 300-400 rebills per month really seems low for being "successfull"

wel, for us it is very successful...

for us:
hosting - $289 month
marketing - i do it, but nothing has yet exceeded $200 a month
processing - 10%

so, $24.95 x 300 = $7485

not sure what planet you are living on, but in the USA $33k a year is average income, and while roughly $70k/year may not be a lot for you, it is surely enough for me to live comfortably on.

and fyi, that is not our actual site numbers, I was just throwing a # out there from experience

Antonio · 07-09-2006, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

So you would call a solo girl site rebilling 300 members a month a successfull site? After content costs, hosting, marketing, processing, where is the profit in 300 rebills a month? You can live on it but would successfull be the right words?

Not trying to bash you or anything but 300-400 rebills per month really seems low for being "successfull"

hm, I'm willing to bet my left nut that 90% of the solo girl sites out there can only dream of 300 recurring members

Grapesoda · 07-09-2006, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

How much does a car cost?

that's the very best answer for sure

Chris Corn · 07-09-2006, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

wel, for us it is very successful...

for us:
hosting - $289 month
marketing - i do it, but nothing has yet exceeded $200 a month
processing - 10%

so, $24.95 x 300 = $7485

not sure what planet you are living on, but in the USA $33k a year is average income, and while roughly $70k/year may not be a lot for you, it is surely enough for me to live comfortably on.

and fyi, that is not our actual site numbers, I was just throwing a # out there from experience

Shit yeah that's a perfect answer and exactly what I was looking for. See in Canada if you make 70k year you are on par with a friggen doctor. 70k/year is sick cash and from there I would just add another site and bam you're making double.

polish_aristocrat · 07-09-2006, 07:44 AM

Jace, we discussed this before and really not my biz, but now since you returned to GFY again..... why don't you have your paysite ( or aff. program ) in your sig?

Or do you assume that every potential affiliate knows your site already... ?

Jace · 07-09-2006, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Corn

Shit yeah that's a perfect answer and exactly what I was looking for. See in Canada if you make 70k year you are on par with a friggen doctor. 70k/year is sick cash and from there I would just add another site and bam you're making double.

I was just throwing out random #'s....but I think 300-400 members is an excellent goal for any solo girl paysite....of course everyone has a different idea of what success is for any product they are selling.

Chris Corn · 07-09-2006, 07:45 AM

Maybe a better question for the members that like to say a question is junk is to ask what does:

katesplayground, teentiffany, etc., make/year?
nubiles.net make/year?
ftvgirls.com make/year?

That is to say what do these particular well known programs make? Because I realize that you put out a question like what does such and suck make and everyone likes to say that there are too many variables. But heck, there is still a suitable answer to these questions.

polish_aristocrat · 07-09-2006, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

hm, I'm willing to bet my left nut that 90% of the solo girl sites out there can only dream of 300 recurring members

some site ( and the solo girl from that site ) was all over GFY 1 or two years ago... she got even ambushed I think..... and I think she wasn't making that

Jace · 07-09-2006, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Jace, we discussed this before and really not my biz, but now since you returned to GFY again..... why don't you have your paysite ( or aff. program ) in your sig?

Or do you assume that every of potential affiliate knows your site already... ?

actually, it was til last week.... I am working on getting www.justjace.com finished so I can put that in there. I really want to have it completely done so I can put it in there and give people a site they can spend some time on

but to be honest though, I have not gotten one solid referral to any program from my sig on GFY in months....a year ago I would get 3-4 webmasters under me a month, now I struggle to get 1 every 3 months. The amount of solid webmasters on GFY has declined so much in the past year.

www.nscash.com though, if anyone is interested

Jace · 07-09-2006, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

some site ( and the solo girl from that site ) was all over GFY 1 or two years ago... she got even ambushed I think..... and I think she wasn't making that

I think I remember that

Grapesoda · 07-09-2006, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Corn

Maybe a better question for the members that like to say a question is junk is to ask what does:

nubiles.net make/year?
ftvgirls.com make/year?

you realize the amount of cash you have to dump into a site like these to get them going? do you have 300-400K sitting around ready to pump into a black hole and bet that you can start making a profit in in 2-3 years?

these numbers where posted at one time on this forum:

Now some numbers to play with:
CCbill fee's 12.5% or so, often split with affiliates on revshare.
Bandwidth cost per member per month: $2.69 for myself
Content production & purchases per month: $3.54 per member.
Affiliate cut: 50%
Average membership price: $30.00

Affiliate earns $13.13 per sale (no ccbill split fee)
Owner earns $7.75 per sale

As you will see that is more than 15% profit for yourself. Of course as your member numbers go up your content costs per members go down. Also depending on your hosting often the more you use the less you pay per MBPS.
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Jace · 07-09-2006, 07:57 AM

Wanton, you are also basing the #'s on 100% affiliate sale

as I tell anyone....don't EVER depend on your affiliates for all your sales...with my site I always try match my affiliate sales with my own sales

any program owner that depends on all affiliate sales to make their money is an idiot

Nicky · 07-09-2006, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

wel, for us it is very successful...

for us:
hosting - $289 month
marketing - i do it, but nothing has yet exceeded $200 a month
processing - 10%

so, $24.95 x 300 = $7485

not sure what planet you are living on, but in the USA $33k a year is average income, and while roughly $70k/year may not be a lot for you, it is surely enough for me to live comfortably on.

and fyi, that is not our actual site numbers, I was just throwing a # out there from experience

Im not saying that making $70k a year is bad, but many wont get away with <$200 a month in marketing cost and then if you consider having to give the girl what 30-40%?(not in your case ofcourse) but those $7k a month could easily be cut to half by all costs and taxes

Jace · 07-09-2006, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

Im not saying that making $70k a year is bad, but many wont get away with <$200 a month in marketing cost and then if you consider having to give the girl what 30-40%?(not in your case ofcourse) but those $7k a month could easily be cut to half by all costs and taxes

oh right, I totally agree if you don't have the girl married to you it east costs big time

if I ever did a site without my wife I would pay the girl outright for about 2 weeks worth of shooting every single day....get at least 40 videos and 300 photo sets, and hope that she is around once the site becomes successful hahaha

Jace · 07-09-2006, 08:06 AM

i was just informed via icq that I forgot to add in 50% affiliate payouts

I would have added that in if it was part of the calculation, but I don't depend on affiliates for my income....affiliates only really do about 20% of our sales, sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less...but if affiliates do 50% of our sales, that means I am not working hard enough...LOL

Grapesoda · 07-09-2006, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

oh right, I totally agree if you don't have the girl married to you it east costs big time

if I ever did a site without my wife I would pay the girl outright for about 2 weeks worth of shooting every single day....get at least 40 videos and 300 photo sets, and hope that she is around once the site becomes successful hahaha

might be chealper to hire the model as opposed to mariage

L0rdJuni0r · 07-09-2006, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

oh right, I totally agree if you don't have the girl married to you it east costs big time

if I ever did a site without my wife I would pay the girl outright for about 2 weeks worth of shooting every single day....get at least 40 videos and 300 photo sets, and hope that she is around once the site becomes successful hahaha

I would do the same.... shoot alot more just incase

Grapesoda · 07-09-2006, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

Wanton, you are also basing the #'s on 100% affiliate sale

as I tell anyone....don't EVER depend on your affiliates for all your sales...with my site I always try match my affiliate sales with my own sales

any program owner that depends on all affiliate sales to make their money is an idiot

not my numbers jace . . . I have no paysite . . I'm a shooter . . the internet is bad

Jace · 07-09-2006, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanton

might be chealper to hire the model as opposed to mariage

hahaha...nah, i like it this way

xcitecash · 07-09-2006, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by vod

paysites and recurring monthly will slowly turn to 'on Demand'

non-recurring subscriptions. streaming ppv. = HUGE retention.

see sig...

Your gonna say that ...thats your business...

L-Pink · 07-09-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Corn

Shit yeah that's a perfect answer and exactly what I was looking for. See in Canada if you make 70k year you are on par with a friggen doctor. 70k/year is sick cash and from there I would just add another site and bam you're making double.

Think BIG add a hundred sites and BAM you are making .....

Wait ... add a thousand sites and you are making ..... calculator anyone?

RealityWife · 07-09-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanton

might be chealper to hire the model as opposed to mariage

LOL gotta go with you there.

Quagmire · 07-09-2006, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Corn

Shit yeah that's a perfect answer and exactly what I was looking for. See in Canada if you make 70k year you are on par with a friggen doctor. 70k/year is sick cash and from there I would just add another site and bam you're making double.

You've really over-simplified the whole situation. Lets assume you're clearing 70k a year after paying lawyer/accountant/various bullshit. Throwing up another site means you now have a whole new workload to service. You have more content to shoot, more updates to make, more support related issues to handle. You have to take in to account that you will have to pay someone to do this for you. So your 70k x 2 just got chopped.

Unless of course you plan on doing it all yourself until you work yourself to a nervous breakdown. Then just count of failing right from the start and save yourself the hassle.

The Ghost · 07-09-2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

How much does a car cost?

True.

Be informed that a large amount of solo girl sites make less than 4 sales a day, with 25% rebilling.

I have no idea on your current traffic state, but I will assume you are new. Most likely a good percentage of sales will come from affiliates. Generally you will be paying 50% to those affiliates, and 13.5%-15% for credit card processing. Initial processing and software fees, monthly hosting, designs, yearly visa fees and not to mention the payment agreement with the model. I think you have your own equipment already, so factor in maintaince and possible eventual replacement as well.

The more work you do yourself the more you will save, but truly think about if what you pay yourself is much less than what you could make plying your trade elsewhere.

Marketing. How will people know the site and model exist? Even if they know, will they care? Getting all of the different creatives made for your affiliates and yourself to sell the product.

There are always opportunities for great products to shine. Best of luck!

But don't assume even if there is initial success, that it will be long lasting and that money will flow in 'forever'.

Mike AI · 07-09-2006, 09:01 AM

This is why there is no money in porn any longer.

Back in the day we had a dozen solo girl sites with over 1,000 members. We had 5 sites with membership bases over 4,000.

Ahhhh the good old days.

scottybuzz · 07-09-2006, 09:56 AM

good thread

Chris Corn · 07-09-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Quagmire

Unless of course you plan on doing it all yourself until you work yourself to a nervous breakdown. Then just count of failing right from the start and save yourself the hassle.

I'd love to have the skills to do this 100% fulltime. But I'll have to settle for learning as I go. The more work the better.

07-09-2006, 06:39 AM	#1
Chris Corn Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 237	So how much do paysites make? Particularly interested in solo and multi girl sites. I know they range but what do they make roughly? I know some sites run about 7k members at $25/mth a pop minus all the overhead junk. So anyone have any real numbers to go by? Is 500k to 1 mil/year profit for a solo girl out of wack? __________________ I shoot video. Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com ICQ 212-072-421

07-09-2006, 06:42 AM	#2
Chris Corn Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 237	Double post sorry, let this one fall... __________________ I shoot video. Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com ICQ 212-072-421

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Chris Corn Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 237	K how about 200k/year? __________________ I shoot video. Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com ICQ 212-072-421

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Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	yes, both figures you have stated are WAY out of whack no one is going to give you real #'s...but I can tell you that you are thinking in the clouds my friend I can tell you this though, average member base for a successfull solo girl site is about 300-400 members rebilling.... our site isn't there yet, but slowely climbing

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Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	The first year(s) you will struggle hard and wont have much profit. I takes time to get affiliates, and it is a shitload of work! Now these days there are 1000's of sologirl sites... And harder to get the good affiliates. __________________ M&A Queen

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polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	Jace, we discussed this before and really not my biz, but now since you returned to GFY again..... why don't you have your paysite ( or aff. program ) in your sig? Or do you assume that every potential affiliate knows your site already... ? __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore. Last edited by polish_aristocrat; 07-09-2006 at 07:45 AM..

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Chris Corn Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 237	Maybe a better question for the members that like to say a question is junk is to ask what does: katesplayground, teentiffany, etc., make/year? nubiles.net make/year? ftvgirls.com make/year? That is to say what do these particular well known programs make? Because I realize that you put out a question like what does such and suck make and everyone likes to say that there are too many variables. But heck, there is still a suitable answer to these questions. __________________ I shoot video. Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com ICQ 212-072-421

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Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	Wanton, you are also basing the #'s on 100% affiliate sale as I tell anyone....don't EVER depend on your affiliates for all your sales...with my site I always try match my affiliate sales with my own sales any program owner that depends on all affiliate sales to make their money is an idiot

07-09-2006, 08:06 AM	#30
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	i was just informed via icq that I forgot to add in 50% affiliate payouts I would have added that in if it was part of the calculation, but I don't depend on affiliates for my income....affiliates only really do about 20% of our sales, sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less...but if affiliates do 50% of our sales, that means I am not working hard enough...LOL

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