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crockett 07-03-2006 06:21 PM

why are you being so vauge about what you were promoting? who cares if you don't want to post your URL.. I can understand that.. However post the FHG's you were using that they claim is CP.

Webby 07-03-2006 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkx
His english is flawless theres something weird. Im also wondering what EU country has 14 as the age of cons

Sadly.. chances are, and got no wish to decry anything the guy has said yet, but strong possibility by the law of averages we have a person who was knowingly engaged in committing some offense, and looking for a scapegoat.

It's kinda also understandable not to give specific facts - dunno, but I'd prob do the same if the hatches had to be battened-down for some reason. Under these circumstances, it's best to shut up - and not helpful to do otherwise when lawyers are acting on your behalf.

The flip side is... and hell, seen it a lot, - a person can end up getting totally contaminated by a shower of amateurs without a clue - and often even without them ever knowing. If others end up getting up to all sorts of crap right in the middle of a domain transfer or something like that - it can end up a mess and a matter of who the law supposed to believe.

Smell is __MS__ is genuine - he'll say more and specify his problem clearer.

RAM0S 07-03-2006 06:28 PM

Since you won't post the url, and you claim you only had fhg on your tgp, then what sponsors did you promote? Were you promoting MET Art?

DutchTeenCash 07-03-2006 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane
Its messy, but its kind of grey-zone if u don't live in US. Its not illegal for foreigners to host in US, but with the reverse "guilty until proven" 2257... how are they gonna inspect a foreigner? You can comply with giving an adress, but its useless.

Its not always a gray zone, Im not US citizen, we host and process in the US comply with 2257 docs are all in place releases double IDs. I can give inspection adresses as well as online passes to inspect docs to anyone who requests.

His story is weird. If the TGP shows FHG only then he need to get to the programs sending him the FHG.

Dirty Dane 07-03-2006 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkx
Its not always a gray zone, Im not US citizen, we host and process in the US comply with 2257 docs are all in place releases double IDs. I can give inspection adresses as well as online passes to inspect docs to anyone who requests.

Yes you can comply and that is all u can do in your situation, still they made 2257 so complicated that they restricted themself to rules about the inspection itself. Online documentation, P.B. etc isnt enough.. they need an adress, to inspect normal business hours. But they can't enforce it, not even with co-operation with Interpol/local authorities, without breaking the foreign laws. In most EU countries, I think, you are innocent until the opposite is proven.
Anyway, the 2257 is designed to hurt US adult biz, but in most cases regarding foreign webmasters, I think there will be no doubt if local police knock on the door :)

Webby 07-03-2006 06:43 PM

thinkx:

Quote:

Were you able to work the stuff out pretty fast when you showed them the 2257 docs?
Two options so far:

(a) __MS__ is a confused webmaster - and may be shitting himself over a police enquiry, irrespective of any guilt or otherwise.

(b) Only my gut feeling, but doubt this is an EU webmaster - more like US. Why is a guy who may be accused of dealing with CP and not a US citizen, concerned about 2257 docs above? The claimed area where the problem is, is his "home country" in the EU where 2257 matters little. (Sure, model releases and ID matter - but not 2257).

DutchTeenCash 07-03-2006 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby
but doubt this is an EU webmaster

true dat

this is a guy whos a native english speaker

__MS__ 07-03-2006 06:50 PM

Well basically my only question that I had was if someone here had experience with those kinds of problems and how they were able to resolve them. By providing what kinds of info.

My english is pretty decent coz I've been living in the US for one year a while ago and I'm here again for one month now. So my mind switched to english again. I used to run a thumb tgp with only FHG. Last year I gave that over to someone else partly because in my country there are some legal limitations on running sites accessibly to minors. So I concentrated on some programming work. Unfortunatly the domain transfer was delayed until early this year and a few days before the domain was transferred the police actually checked out the whois info on the domain.
So I left for the US and then I get a call from home last week saying that my place has been searched.

My best guess is that they mistake some of the solo girls to be too young. Like Emily18 for example or the teenrevenue girls. Also youngporn.net could be questionable because of the name.

I talked to the police back home this morning and there weren't really giving me much information .. understandibly because they dunno if it's really me. I told him that if he gives me the exact image url I could supply him with the necessarry documents from the sponsors but he said that this would only be needed would the thing actually go to court. Which seemed very strange to me. I think the guy just didn't get the concept of a TGP at all even though I tried to explain that to him.

Now .. I KMOW that I have done nothing wrong in terms of distributing cp. (provided that none of the sponsors are actually using underage girls but I highly doubt that). But the question is how can I make them know


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Originally Posted by Webby
Sadly.. chances are, and got no wish to decry anything the guy has said yet, but strong possibility by the law of averages we have a person who was knowingly engaged in committing some offense, and looking for a scapegoat.

It's kinda also understandable not to give specific facts - dunno, but I'd prob do the same if the hatches had to be battened-down for some reason. Under these circumstances, it's best to shut up - and not helpful to do otherwise when lawyers are acting on your behalf.

The flip side is... and hell, seen it a lot, - a person can end up getting totally contaminated by a shower of amateurs without a clue - and often even without them ever knowing. If others end up getting up to all sorts of crap right in the middle of a domain transfer or something like that - it can end up a mess and a matter of who the law supposed to believe.

Smell is __MS__ is genuine - he'll say more and specify his problem clearer.


__MS__ 07-03-2006 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkx
true dat

this is a guy whos a native english speaker

as I explained in another response I was living in the US for one year when I was pretty young so I am pretty close to beeing a native speaker

__MS__ 07-03-2006 06:54 PM

it's a I guess

this is not about 2257 at all. I tried to explain to him that it would be possibel for me to get the docs since all the sponsors are complying with 2257. But he had no idea what it is and when I tried to explain it to him he didn't really get it either. Truth is .. the cop investigating this doesn't really have a clue.
That's the biggest prob

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby
thinkx:



Two options so far:

(a) __MS__ is a confused webmaster - and may be shitting himself over a police enquiry, irrespective of any guilt or otherwise.

(b) Only my gut feeling, but doubt this is an EU webmaster - more like US. Why is a guy who may be accused of dealing with CP and not a US citizen, concerned about 2257 docs above? The claimed area where the problem is, is his "home country" in the EU where 2257 matters little. (Sure, model releases and ID matter - but not 2257).


woj 07-03-2006 06:55 PM

50........ :)

DutchTeenCash 07-03-2006 06:57 PM

Ok so youre in a unwanted situation right now, still if all the sponsors are ok, then whats there to do, you said accused of cp but you werent were you? thety left a protocol, so what did it say? At this point if all youre sponsors are ok, then whats up with the protocol?

Also Id go easy with the namesdroppin on URLs

DutchTeenCash 07-03-2006 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by __MS__
it's a I guess

this is not about 2257 at all. I tried to explain to him that it would be possibel for me to get the docs since all the sponsors are complying with 2257. But he had no idea what it is and when I tried to explain it to him he didn't really get it either. Truth is .. the cop investigating this doesn't really have a clue.
That's the biggest prob

so what EXACTLY did they do? They left a protocol and now its up to you to deal with a cop that has zero clue and you gotta show docs?

What country is this? Cause ive never heard of anything alike in EU.

__MS__ 07-03-2006 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkx
so what EXACTLY did they do? They left a protocol and now its up to you to deal with a cop that has zero clue and you gotta show docs?

What country is this? Cause ive never heard of anything alike in EU.

well I guess the problem is that I'm not there so it's hard for them to supply me with any information. Since I'm registered at the place they searched and they now know i'm not living there anymore they've not been able to send me any documents. From my understand I would usually get a formale notice if I'm the accused in an investigation. Since they didn't know where to deliver it I didn't get anything. I asked them for a specific URL but he said that he can't disclose details of the investigation.

The Other Sweetie 07-03-2006 07:12 PM

I know a female with a paysite who was paid a visit last year for something cp-related. It wasn't the police, though. It was the FBI that came knocking. Apparently the FBI busted a pedo on the west coast and seized his pc. While searching this perv's pc, they found her site in his history and her chat name in his contact list of his chat messenger, which of course set off a red flag on her.

They tracked her down and had her ISP release all info on her. Incidentally, her ISP - a few months prior to the FBI visit - suddenly canned her without reason, without warning, wouldn't tell her why, would hang up on her when she kept calling to find out why her account was cancelled. All they told her was that she was banned for life. It was completely crazy. Of course, once the FBI showed up and mentioned her ISP having released her info to them, that pretty much explained it.

Luckily for her, everything was on the up & up and she easily proved she was of legal age, wasn't involved in any cp, and didn't even know the dude. She just happened to get dragged into the crossfire, so to speak, just for her site having been in the history of the pedo's seized pc. They left happy and that was that.

I don't know the full details of what site/content is in question, but hopefully it gets cleared up just as easily for you. I'm really curious to know which sponsor content is in question, though.

DutchTeenCash 07-03-2006 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by __MS__
well I guess the problem is that I'm not there so it's hard for them to supply me with any information. Since I'm registered at the place they searched and they now know i'm not living there anymore they've not been able to send me any documents. From my understand I would usually get a formale notice if I'm the accused in an investigation. Since they didn't know where to deliver it I didn't get anything. I asked them for a specific URL but he said that he can't disclose details of the investigation.

Ok I get it

youre scared to be turned in when you get back? Well like others said get a lawyer first and Im sure you do know if all sponsors are ok or not.

I cant think of a situation where youd be arrested for running a site with 2257 compl FHGs.

You know whats on your site.

Webby 07-03-2006 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Other Sweetie
I know a female with a paysite who was paid a visit last year for something cp-related. It wasn't the police, though. It was the FBI that came knocking. Apparently the FBI busted a pedo on the west coast and seized his pc. While searching this perv's pc, they found her site in his history and her chat name in his contact list of his chat messenger, which of course set off a red flag on her.

Yes.. can see this happening all too easily. Even tho there may be nothing of concern - the fact that it leads to your front door can be "disconcerting" :winkwink:

If there is no problem - things like this can be cleared quickly. Law enforcement don't really want to waste time on dead leads.

Webby 07-03-2006 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by __MS__
well I guess the problem is that I'm not there so it's hard for them to supply me with any information. Since I'm registered at the place they searched and they now know i'm not living there anymore they've not been able to send me any documents. From my understand I would usually get a formale notice if I'm the accused in an investigation. Since they didn't know where to deliver it I didn't get anything. I asked them for a specific URL but he said that he can't disclose details of the investigation.

__MS__ .. since the case officer is not willing (and can understand it to a degree since he can't ID you), - to provide any information and they do wish to proceeed with an enquiry - you really need a lawyer to represent you and liase with the law and provide any data that will establish you are not "associated".

Who knows.. anything can happen during an enquiry, but until specific charges are levied against you - there is no "offense" to answer. However, any reasonable cooperation (lawyer can decide that), towards clearing you has got to be a good thing.

Also seriously doubt that you will have any immediate problem when you go back home unless there is a warrant issued for your arrest (again, there has to be formal charges filed for the basis of issuing that warrant).

Other aspects are... much as you said, it is not every law enforcement officer who can understand net-related issues (this can actually be to your great advantage in subsequent court hearing), but, don't know your country - there is a fair chance the matter may be referred to an expert agency. This *could* help in seeing a quick resolution if there is little foundation for the alleged charges.

Can understand your concern over CP - it's not exactly a matter anyone in the adult biz would like to have labelled on them.

I'd definately contact a lawyer and provide him will all information you may possess - then sit down and take as long as it needs to write a full and comprehensive brief, complete with dates, anyone involved blah, to allow him to get the overall picture. Lawyers are only as good as the brief's their clients provide.

babymaker 07-03-2006 11:58 PM

any new info?? just got back in :)


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