I don't get it, you don't like Sapp but you like Kimbo, from what I've seen they fight very much the same, just brute force. That Kimbo isn't skilled at all as best shown against that fattie that beat him.

Personally I wouldn' fight kimbo, but I think most good MMA fighters around his size would beat him

kimbo has so much strength & power to his punches that he's always a threat to anyone "skilled"

You cannot compare Sapp to Kimbo.

Sapp is a monster, and with little experience, put at the time, the #1 Pride Heavyweight in trouble.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mQDkwDKds...pp%20minotauro

Sorry for the cheesy music in that clip. I had the sound off when I picked it. :(

MMA will always beat boxers and street fighters. Grapling and jujitsu are things boxers/street fighters are not prepared for.

PRIDE fighting is the elite of MMA.

When did driving a nice car make someone rich? Never mind - this is GFY.

Who picked up the Pride PPV last night?

V. Silva looked like an absolute monster.

I'm dissapointed that Hunt was exposed so badly, but it was bound to happen sooner or later. Barnett looked like the Barnett of old, overpowering huge guys that aren't used to be overpowered.

Nog didn't look as crisp or quick on his feet, probably due to the extra weight and muscle. He did look incredible on the ground though, constanstly reversing one of the best bjj artisans in the world.

I don't think so, he wouldn't messure up to most professional hevy weight boxer in regards to his punches. He's a big stong guy but nothing out of the ordinary when it comes to fighting

Kimbo would die, and quickly, against any NHB fighter good enough to make it to the UFC. I was going to put a friend of mine, a brown belt from Gracie Academy, up against Kimbo for 20k. Whatever happened with that Anthony?

Butterbean would slaughter Kimbo on thier feet, let alone a UFC fighter in a free-for-all. If you don't know that, you either haven't been paying attention or you're just clueless.

btw, I don't want to sound like I'm disrespecting Kimbo, just in case he's at the next convention ;) But what we're talking about here are dedicated professionals against a talented amateur who's just starting to learn the ground game. The pro is going to win 99.99% of the time.

It's the total package. The guy got a nice car, nice clothes on, nice diamond grid (or whatever it's called) on his teeth and hangs with gorgeous women. I'm sure he has a nice home and makes a good living.

count me in on the betting part.

I'd definitely throw in a good bet for a Kimbo vs. UFC fighter fight. Off the bat, I'd lean for the UFC fighter...but it really would depend on who it was.

I suggest bet start at $500 so that most people are able to place a bet. But we do need people to bet in favour of Kimbo for it to work.

It would have to be a bare knuckle fight Dig, there wouldn't be any mma in it.

Kimbo is a scary man, and I wouldn't want to go in a slugfest wit him. :(

I was 278lbs in that pic, down to 253 now, and I still wouldn't want to tangle with him.

http://tinypic.com/kdtvdy.jpg

Any UFC or trained MMA fighter would be the heavy favourite

I wouldn't use this fight as a measuring stick of his talents - Sapp outweighed the Minotaur by what, 100+ lbs?

Looks more like some wealthy porn people have latched onto Kimbo for a while and Kimbo has climbed onboard for the ride. Just my opinion of course...

I think it depends a lot on the rules... if there were no locks and no knees or kicks, Kimbo would have a chance against lower or maybe even mid-level UFC/Pride/etc fighters. Especially if he was properly training, I don't know what his regimine is, other than going to the club with the VIP crew.

If it was pure boxing, without any grappling or wrestling, he'd probably (from what I've seen, only a handful of fights) be in equally as bad shape as he would against a mid-to-top level UFC fighter, especially if they were under UFC rules. Even before he gets tired, his hands aren't nearly fast enough to compete against a professional boxer, even a bum. Getting slugged by a big dude who works out is nothing compared to a sharp hook to the body from a pro. If anyone has ever felt it, it makes your organs hurt.. liver, kidneys, etc. Absolutely crippling, it gives you an incredible amount of respect for how tough the pros are.

In terms of stamina, the Gannon fight lasted less than 10 minutes, professional boxers will train in 6 and 9 minute intervals, if not longer, for 10 intervals. That's an enormous advantage, as obviously Bryd and Gannon were completely winded by halfway through their matchup.

I don't know how old the guy is, but I wish him the best if that's the direction he's looking to go. Obviously he hits really really hard, it would be cool to see him in a pro fight sometime, although as someone else mentioned, his strengths may reside more in the "street fight" style.

150lbs to be correct.

The whole idea of martial arts, and specifically BJJ, used in Vale Tudo (Anything Goes in Portugese), was the ability to fight larger and stronger opponents. Helio Gracie is 145 lbs, he would fight opponents my size and bigger, and win.

Minotauro is the best Heavyweight BJJ guy in the world, and proved once again, ZZHHOO ZZZHITTSU rules. :)

Now back to Sapp, you do know he beat Ernesto Hoost, right? With minimal training he was taking out top K1 guys who's been fighting for years.

I'd take Butterbean in a bareknuckle fight too, for just about any amount, although Kimbo would have a much better chance that way than with gloves. From what I understand, Kimbo's cousin is Emmanuel Augustus, one of my favorite boxers, and Emmanuel has trained him up decently with his hands.

You're a big strong guy Ant, but you're not hard enough to mix it up with someone like Kimbo. Neither am I, not even close, so that's not meant as an insult. My guy was VJ's brother Jarrod, he's about 190 lb brown belt, no cage experience except sparring in the academy and at Gracie Barra in Brazil, which is where he is now. I asked him if he wanted to fight Kimbo for half the take. His answer: "Let's DO this, right now!" and you were going to hook it up but I never heard back. He's on my friends list on my myspace page if you want to take a look.

lol sapp is just a monster its like watching the hulk run around the ring.

I beleive kimbo is 39 years old.

might be a good investment with the right exposure...

maybe have Kimbo wear a bandana with the top contributing .com

Stop pointing the fingers nugga! Both of us forgot about that shit till now. :)

No way in fucking Hell would I even consider fighting Kimbo. I"m a hobbyist.

I'll hit up Jordan now, if I can find him online. Maybe his b o a r d t r a c k e r will go off...

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In his late 20's I believe.

Actually Kevin (Kimbo) is 32 years old (maybe 33 now but I'm pretty sure he's still 32) :winkwink:

I think that was just a rumor that emmanuel augustus is his cousin. I dont think that is true however. Kimbo has good head movement that allows him to get inside. That is his strength. As a standup fighter he would be more effective going to the body more rather than headhunting. Body punching is much more effective than headhunting and to can cripple your opponent much more effectively that way. Many people get up when knocked down from a head shot but very few people will get up from a body shot even if they had the will and wanted to.

Please provide proof.

You might think less people get up from body shots, because the majority of knock outs are head shots.

all those knockouts you see to the head are all setup by going to the body first. you kill the head buy going to the body, this is a long time fact and not really disputed. the fact is that all those head shot knockouts wouldnt be possible without breaking down the body

Yeah, it really depends on the person, where they are hit, and a ton of other things.

A tough guy with a great chin can get snapped in the gut and put on his back, especially if it wasn't expected and he hadn't tightened his midsection to absorb it. That same guy could get pummelled in the face and head and never go down, but then get caught not looking on the point of his chin and be out cold before he hits the mat.

As brutal as Kimbo's hook was (it tore the guy's face open), it didn't knock him out, the guy got right back up and was coherent. A lot of it depends on whether the fighter receiving the shot saw it coming or not.

The "rule of thumb" zara alludes to is basically true, if you hit the body the hands will fall, opening up the head shots. Generally it takes longer to recover from a sharp body shot than a head shot, but a good shot to the head can disorient in a way that can also lead to a knock out. But all that is arbitrary depending on the venue and fighting style. In UFC, you rarely see true body punches, usually it's little more than up close beating on the sides to wear the other fighter out, in combination with leaning in and putting weight on the other fighter to tire him out.

The stand up exchanges usually entail a few quick combinations where they are really looking more to get a position advantage than to knock the other guy out.. if they land a combination, the other fighter will pull back or pause for an instant to defend from the onslaught (maybe) where they can get in close, use their wrestling skills and take it to the mat, where those matches are typically won and lost.

Thanks for explaining basic boxing to me, I think I have it down now.

As for the proof, I'd like to see the data of body shots keeping a fighter down more than head shots. Unless of course, this data is something you just made up.

Thanks.

Anthony, are there any Thai gyms down that way? It seems like that style was popular here in the US for a year or two and then completely disappeared. Maybe because it better suits their body style, whereas most of our fighters are built like Marines.

i wouldnt want this guy take a shit in my toilet

Anthony, on the other hand feel free

Hey Booker, yeah, I belong to a great gym here in Coconut Creek, http://www.americantopteam Muay Thai, BJJ, Boxing, and MMA.

data would be good IF it provided proof to a theory but data is just a theory in itself. like mark twain said "there are lies, damned lies and statistics" this is why compubox numbers are irrelevant really in providing judgement for a fight. if statistics provided absolute truth then judges would be eliminated from sport and they can just decide a fight by the # of punches landed etc...if you want the best proof that is much more reliable than numbers then its observation (the same method that is used to determine the outcome of a fight ie. judging), just watch all the fights you can and you will see. all good fighters/fighters with high ko% go for the body. usually inexperienced fighters will just go headhunting and disregard the body. ko's believe it or not are progressive in nature, they are setup. You dont ko someone, you set someone up for the ko. therefore even the phrase "knockout punch" in very much an oxymoron

Z,

I believe we are actually of the same mind. Maybe if your statement were more of... "Knockouts from headshots that were setup with bodyshots are more effective in winning fights than just head hunting", I would agree with you.

a good analogy is if you look at football. a football team's offensive potency is usually seen in the effectiveness of the quarterback, WR and RB based on their #'s but this is not the case. The true offense of a football team lies in the offensive line. Without the offensive line you have no offense. the body punch is like the offensive line in football and the head punch is like the QB connecting with the WR for a TD

u are right, from his profile on http://www.myspace.com/kimbofighter he is 32.
My bad.