count me in on the betting part.

I'd definitely throw in a good bet for a Kimbo vs. UFC fighter fight. Off the bat, I'd lean for the UFC fighter...but it really would depend on who it was.

I suggest bet start at $500 so that most people are able to place a bet. But we do need people to bet in favour of Kimbo for it to work.

It would have to be a bare knuckle fight Dig, there wouldn't be any mma in it.

Kimbo is a scary man, and I wouldn't want to go in a slugfest wit him. :(

I was 278lbs in that pic, down to 253 now, and I still wouldn't want to tangle with him.

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Any UFC or trained MMA fighter would be the heavy favourite

I wouldn't use this fight as a measuring stick of his talents - Sapp outweighed the Minotaur by what, 100+ lbs?

Looks more like some wealthy porn people have latched onto Kimbo for a while and Kimbo has climbed onboard for the ride. Just my opinion of course...

I think it depends a lot on the rules... if there were no locks and no knees or kicks, Kimbo would have a chance against lower or maybe even mid-level UFC/Pride/etc fighters. Especially if he was properly training, I don't know what his regimine is, other than going to the club with the VIP crew.

If it was pure boxing, without any grappling or wrestling, he'd probably (from what I've seen, only a handful of fights) be in equally as bad shape as he would against a mid-to-top level UFC fighter, especially if they were under UFC rules. Even before he gets tired, his hands aren't nearly fast enough to compete against a professional boxer, even a bum. Getting slugged by a big dude who works out is nothing compared to a sharp hook to the body from a pro. If anyone has ever felt it, it makes your organs hurt.. liver, kidneys, etc. Absolutely crippling, it gives you an incredible amount of respect for how tough the pros are.

In terms of stamina, the Gannon fight lasted less than 10 minutes, professional boxers will train in 6 and 9 minute intervals, if not longer, for 10 intervals. That's an enormous advantage, as obviously Bryd and Gannon were completely winded by halfway through their matchup.

I don't know how old the guy is, but I wish him the best if that's the direction he's looking to go. Obviously he hits really really hard, it would be cool to see him in a pro fight sometime, although as someone else mentioned, his strengths may reside more in the "street fight" style.

150lbs to be correct.

The whole idea of martial arts, and specifically BJJ, used in Vale Tudo (Anything Goes in Portugese), was the ability to fight larger and stronger opponents. Helio Gracie is 145 lbs, he would fight opponents my size and bigger, and win.

Minotauro is the best Heavyweight BJJ guy in the world, and proved once again, ZZHHOO ZZZHITTSU rules. :)

Now back to Sapp, you do know he beat Ernesto Hoost, right? With minimal training he was taking out top K1 guys who's been fighting for years.

I'd take Butterbean in a bareknuckle fight too, for just about any amount, although Kimbo would have a much better chance that way than with gloves. From what I understand, Kimbo's cousin is Emmanuel Augustus, one of my favorite boxers, and Emmanuel has trained him up decently with his hands.

You're a big strong guy Ant, but you're not hard enough to mix it up with someone like Kimbo. Neither am I, not even close, so that's not meant as an insult. My guy was VJ's brother Jarrod, he's about 190 lb brown belt, no cage experience except sparring in the academy and at Gracie Barra in Brazil, which is where he is now. I asked him if he wanted to fight Kimbo for half the take. His answer: "Let's DO this, right now!" and you were going to hook it up but I never heard back. He's on my friends list on my myspace page if you want to take a look.

lol sapp is just a monster its like watching the hulk run around the ring.

I beleive kimbo is 39 years old.

might be a good investment with the right exposure...

maybe have Kimbo wear a bandana with the top contributing .com

Stop pointing the fingers nugga! Both of us forgot about that shit till now. :)

No way in fucking Hell would I even consider fighting Kimbo. I"m a hobbyist.

I'll hit up Jordan now, if I can find him online. Maybe his b o a r d t r a c k e r will go off...

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In his late 20's I believe.

Actually Kevin (Kimbo) is 32 years old (maybe 33 now but I'm pretty sure he's still 32) :winkwink:

I think that was just a rumor that emmanuel augustus is his cousin. I dont think that is true however. Kimbo has good head movement that allows him to get inside. That is his strength. As a standup fighter he would be more effective going to the body more rather than headhunting. Body punching is much more effective than headhunting and to can cripple your opponent much more effectively that way. Many people get up when knocked down from a head shot but very few people will get up from a body shot even if they had the will and wanted to.

Please provide proof.

You might think less people get up from body shots, because the majority of knock outs are head shots.

all those knockouts you see to the head are all setup by going to the body first. you kill the head buy going to the body, this is a long time fact and not really disputed. the fact is that all those head shot knockouts wouldnt be possible without breaking down the body

Yeah, it really depends on the person, where they are hit, and a ton of other things.

A tough guy with a great chin can get snapped in the gut and put on his back, especially if it wasn't expected and he hadn't tightened his midsection to absorb it. That same guy could get pummelled in the face and head and never go down, but then get caught not looking on the point of his chin and be out cold before he hits the mat.

As brutal as Kimbo's hook was (it tore the guy's face open), it didn't knock him out, the guy got right back up and was coherent. A lot of it depends on whether the fighter receiving the shot saw it coming or not.

The "rule of thumb" zara alludes to is basically true, if you hit the body the hands will fall, opening up the head shots. Generally it takes longer to recover from a sharp body shot than a head shot, but a good shot to the head can disorient in a way that can also lead to a knock out. But all that is arbitrary depending on the venue and fighting style. In UFC, you rarely see true body punches, usually it's little more than up close beating on the sides to wear the other fighter out, in combination with leaning in and putting weight on the other fighter to tire him out.

The stand up exchanges usually entail a few quick combinations where they are really looking more to get a position advantage than to knock the other guy out.. if they land a combination, the other fighter will pull back or pause for an instant to defend from the onslaught (maybe) where they can get in close, use their wrestling skills and take it to the mat, where those matches are typically won and lost.

Thanks for explaining basic boxing to me, I think I have it down now.

As for the proof, I'd like to see the data of body shots keeping a fighter down more than head shots. Unless of course, this data is something you just made up.

Thanks.

Anthony, are there any Thai gyms down that way? It seems like that style was popular here in the US for a year or two and then completely disappeared. Maybe because it better suits their body style, whereas most of our fighters are built like Marines.

i wouldnt want this guy take a shit in my toilet

Anthony, on the other hand feel free

Hey Booker, yeah, I belong to a great gym here in Coconut Creek, http://www.americantopteam Muay Thai, BJJ, Boxing, and MMA.

data would be good IF it provided proof to a theory but data is just a theory in itself. like mark twain said "there are lies, damned lies and statistics" this is why compubox numbers are irrelevant really in providing judgement for a fight. if statistics provided absolute truth then judges would be eliminated from sport and they can just decide a fight by the # of punches landed etc...if you want the best proof that is much more reliable than numbers then its observation (the same method that is used to determine the outcome of a fight ie. judging), just watch all the fights you can and you will see. all good fighters/fighters with high ko% go for the body. usually inexperienced fighters will just go headhunting and disregard the body. ko's believe it or not are progressive in nature, they are setup. You dont ko someone, you set someone up for the ko. therefore even the phrase "knockout punch" in very much an oxymoron

Z,

I believe we are actually of the same mind. Maybe if your statement were more of... "Knockouts from headshots that were setup with bodyshots are more effective in winning fights than just head hunting", I would agree with you.

a good analogy is if you look at football. a football team's offensive potency is usually seen in the effectiveness of the quarterback, WR and RB based on their #'s but this is not the case. The true offense of a football team lies in the offensive line. Without the offensive line you have no offense. the body punch is like the offensive line in football and the head punch is like the QB connecting with the WR for a TD

u are right, from his profile on http://www.myspace.com/kimbofighter he is 32.
My bad.

True true true, threads like this make me want to fly out to Japan and attend a rpide tournament

Pride FC will be in Las Vegas very soon! :)

what about mike tyson in his prime?? you think a ufc fighter would have had a chance??

if you think a ufc fighter could beat tyson in his prime I say ya smokin the good stuff

He has a myspace? :1orglaugh

Jeez, I think I am the only person that hasn't put up a personal myspace page.

The general consensus seems to be of the opinion that Pride is better than UFC. Why is that?

:)




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You just don't get it, do you?

yes i would be willing to bet on a fight between kimbo and a ufc fighter. i'd bet heavy on the ufc guy so i could win so money. and by the way the UFC isn't even the top level of mma fighting and kimbo would still get destroyed.

UFC fighters are every bit as good as Pride fighters, for the most part. Pride has a far bigger budget and pays their fighters more so they can get the biggest names and promote them well. That doesn't mean Pride guys can whip UFC guys. All the top guys in either organization can whip any of the other ones on any given day.

all the training in the world cannot save a man from a 300 pound raging mad lunatic who punches like a jack hammer who really has no fear of pain and is hell bent on knocking your head clean off

that said

my money is on kimbo

Mike Tyson vs. Kimbo?!

Tyson losing his last few boxing matches has little meaning. Despite all the crazyness and him no longer being anything close to a top fighter, he's still a very hard man.

I'll bet on anything.

You are clueless.

Butterbean versus Genki Sudo, over 100lbs difference... Not one punch from the fatman, over in 15 seconds or he has a broken leg.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z43Bgs5QnEc

Kimbo would lose. I don't think you can put a street fighter up against a trained fighter. Even though Kimbo may have raw talent it needs to be honed. Tyson had raw talent but also hit harder than most men could when he was just 17 years old. Kimbo is not in Tyson's league as a street boxer. Kimbo's only wins I've seen were against two amateurs (neither had glass jaws but they didn't exactly throw hard punches at Kimbo) and one where he lost against a professional. At the very least Kimbo would need endurance training. He was winded pretty fast during the fight against Ganon. If you can't knock somebody out within the first couple minutes, you need stamina to win.

Judging from the last fight, it COULD be fixed.

Tyson would put Kimbo down in a single round

Anyhow,with Tyson's financial issues a 10k bet would possible get him on track in the near future lol

clueless...not at all my my friend

maybe in the ring with gloves etc but no matter how much training or muscle conditioning there are not many men alive who can take a bare knuckle shot from tyson in his prime

I understand you can but that dosent menat most men can :)

if you are in a fight with a guy and you are concentrating on how to get the next submission hold on him....


meanwhile hes picturing his thumbs in your eye sockets or biting into your flesh....

nevermind....I have heard the best fighters in the world "trained" say the exact same thing im saying



opinions are like..................

no u haven't u damned idiot, the best fighters in the world know better. What you're saying is ignorant.

WOW my post excited you that much :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

scary

lol NHB might as well not have ever existed for people like you