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07-02-2006, 05:52 PM

The New 24k Gold coin came out this last week from the US mint.
http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/buffalo24k/
The 1 oz Buffalo .999 pure gold. The first time the US has made a pure coin.

There still seems to be a lot of turmoil and I think with the political climate there still is gonna be a lot of decline on the US dollar.

Anybody investing in Gold these days?
It has doubled in the last 4 years.

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07-02-2006, 06:02 PM

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07-02-2006, 06:04 PM

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he has all the answers...

Ha ha and what does he have to say?

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07-02-2006, 06:12 PM

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yeah thats the coin.
Selling for $800+ as a proof
and over $600 as a circulation coin.
Gold Closed at $615 on Friday. Investors are seeing gold hitting $1200/oz in the not to distant future.

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07-02-2006, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by BluewireBrian

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he has all the answers...

Brian...I was just about to post that too as soon as I saw this thread

In all seriousness though; Jordan aka "Trendsman" knows more about Gold, Sliver, Uranium, Oil, and NG than anyone. Check him out; he's made me A LOT of money
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07-02-2006, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by BlueWire

Brian...I was just about to post that too as soon as I saw this thread

In all seriousness though; Jordan aka "Trendsman" knows more about Gold, Sliver, Uranium, Oil, and NG than anyone. Check him out; he's made me A LOT of money

You subscribe?
He says that there is a major run up gonna happen.

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07-02-2006, 06:37 PM

his last email was an orgasmic expression of economic thought....well maybe not THAT intense, but it was a solid exposition.

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07-02-2006, 06:37 PM

i do not invest in Gold and i see no use.

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07-02-2006, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Cristie

i do not invest in Gold and i see no use.

gold will protect you from Inflation.

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07-02-2006, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Cristie

i do not invest in Gold and i see no use.

Ok say you did 4-5 years ago when the market said you should cause of the turmoil in the US.
Say you bought 10k in gold.
Today you would have 30k.
Also remember you can cash gold out at a bullion traders for cash and as long as it is less then 10k there is no paperwork.

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07-02-2006, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by BluewireBrian

his last email was an orgasmic expression of economic thought....well maybe not THAT intense, but it was a solid exposition.

So you buy some?

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07-02-2006, 07:12 PM

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So you buy some?

yep

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07-02-2006, 07:17 PM

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Very nice coins. Can anyone post a link to a coin appraiser/valuation site?

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07-02-2006, 07:55 PM

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So you buy some?

A lot of the money to be made was made if you invested about 2 years ago. But there is still money to be made. Hit up the trendsman: [email protected]

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07-02-2006, 08:03 PM

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Very nice coins. Can anyone post a link to a coin appraiser/valuation site?

well right now the proofs can be bought by the mint they are selling for $800.
Other dealers are selling them for about $850. Can find them on ebay although most people have not even recieved them.

You can buy the ones going into circulation at:http://www.golddealer.com/bullionpage.html
price:$639

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07-02-2006, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by BlueWire

A lot of the money to be made was made if you invested about 2 years ago. But there is still money to be made. Hit up the trendsman: [email protected]

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I bought out of the gate:around 2003.
However something a lot bigger then inflation hedging is gonna happen within the next 2 years

There will be some action later this fall however come late 2006 and 2007 it is going to get really interesting.
There will be an incredible run up until 2008.

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07-02-2006, 08:27 PM

Judging from this thread I have a lot to live up to.

The US is headed down the road of hyperinflation and those that dont invest at least a portion of their $$$ in gold and silver, will be in big trouble in 5-10 years.

I say, put a good deal of your cash savings into physical gold and silver and store it away somewhere safe. As far as invesments, concentrate on commodity stocks-- gold,silver,oil,gas,uranium....you name it, its going way higher.

The rise we have seen in gold and silver is just the start. Gold will blow by $1,000 easily. It's a question of when nations decide on a global gold/silver standard. I say around $3,000 gold.

Over the next 18-24 months, I'm looking for a possible rise to $1,200 in gold. In that same period I'm anticipating the major gold stock indexs rising by 200%.

Over the past 5 years we have seen the stock market, commodity market and real estate rise....this never happens....only happens in a hyperinflation. Dont be deceived by rising market indices...its money creation that is pushing up the market and real estate at this point. Commodities and the precious metals especially will protect you from inflation.
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07-02-2006, 08:28 PM

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07-02-2006, 08:32 PM

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07-02-2006, 08:32 PM

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Judging from this thread I have a lot to live up to.

The US is headed down the road of hyperinflation and those that dont invest at least a portion of their $$$ in gold and silver, will be in big trouble in 5-10 years.

I say, put a good deal of your cash savings into physical gold and silver and store it away somewhere safe. As far as invesments, concentrate on commodity stocks-- gold,silver,oil,gas,uranium....you name it, its going way higher.

The rise we have seen in gold and silver is just the start. Gold will blow by $1,000 easily. It's a question of when nations decide on a global gold/silver standard. I say around $3,000 gold.

Over the next 18-24 months, I'm looking for a possible rise to $1,200 in gold. In that same period I'm anticipating the major gold stock indexs rising by 200%.

Over the past 5 years we have seen the stock market, commodity market and real estate rise....this never happens....only happens in a hyperinflation. Dont be deceived by rising market indices...its money creation that is pushing up the market and real estate at this point. Commodities and the precious metals especially will protect you from inflation.

Yep exactly spot on.
I highly recomend by the end of this year a 25% position in gold and silver as a commodity and another 25% in gold and silver stock portfolio. Spread evenly from explorations to operationals.
There are also a few other factors that are gonna push this up however as far as market pressures that is right on the money!

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07-03-2006, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by SexualRB

The US is headed down the road of hyperinflation and those that dont invest at least a portion of their $$$ in gold and silver, will be in big trouble in 5-10 years.
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What's going to cause the hyperinflation? Interest rates are rising if inflation gets out of control they'll just raise them further and kill it. I'd be more worried about a recession that high interest rates cause than hyperinflation.

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07-03-2006, 03:18 AM

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What's going to cause the hyperinflation? Interest rates are rising if inflation gets out of control they'll just raise them further and kill it. I'd be more worried about a recession that high interest rates cause than hyperinflation.

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07-03-2006, 04:38 AM

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gold will protect you from Inflation.

How do you figure? If you bought gold in 1980 at $850/ounce or so that gold would need to have increased to over $2000 today in order to have kept pace with inflation. Since it is priced at about $700 you would have lost about 1/3 of your money inflation-adjusted.

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07-03-2006, 09:10 AM

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How do you figure? If you bought gold in 1980 at $850/ounce or so that gold would need to have increased to over $2000 today in order to have kept pace with inflation. Since it is priced at about $700 you would have lost about 1/3 of your money inflation-adjusted.

You can buy TIPS bonds to protect against inflation.

Yeah of course if you bought in 1980 at the height you would have been killed.
however there is gonna be another run up like that of the late 70's and 1980 in gold.

There is simply too much debt from the war and USA is currently pressuring China to let their money climb against the US Dollar.
Also you are right gold should be woth about $2k an ounce.
This was my whole point of the thread. A lot of people are predicting those numbers.

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07-03-2006, 09:55 AM

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07-03-2006, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by AllStar

Also you are right gold should be woth about $2k an ounce.
This was my whole point of the thread. A lot of people are predicting those numbers.

I was addressing the inflation-protection aspect. Any product which loses about 2/3 of its value in inflation-adjusted dollars in a quarter century is NOT an inflation hedge.

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07-03-2006, 10:20 AM

Commodities turn before bonds. Gold started moving up in 2001 and then long rates in 2003. Rates followed gold up in the 70s. Rates have to move high enough to make people move from physical money back into paper money.

Think about this.....rates have been raised 17 times....yet gold is near a multi-decade high and the dollar at a low.

Today's economy is not like it was in the 70s- the debt and deficits are so much worse that rates would have to move very very high...perhaps over 20% to stabalize paper currency. Rates above 6% would collapse the economy. There is no way short rates are going that much above where they are now.

You have to look at money supply. Even when the Fed was tightening (raising rates to tighten the supply of money) they were printing money and expanding the money supply to keep economic activity going. In March they did away with reporting M3 the most accurate gauge for money supply. That is one of many red flags, that hyperinflation is coming.
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07-03-2006, 03:13 PM

umm, gold just lost more than 20% in like 6 weeks, plunged from 720 to 550!

and the big run up in prices of everything since 2003 is a setup for deflation, not hyper-inflation. stocks and house prices will get hit the hardest.
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07-03-2006, 03:18 PM

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umm, gold just lost more than 20% in like 6 weeks, plunged from 720 to 550!

and the big run up in prices of everything since 2003 is a setup for deflation, not hyper-inflation. stocks and house prices will get hit the hardest.

I believe hyper-inflation is what happends right before a deflationary period...Am I wrong?
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07-03-2006, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by AllStar

There still seems to be a lot of turmoil and I think with the political climate there still is gonna be a lot of decline on the US dollar.

Keep in mind all of the new fed-board appointees are classical inflation busters.

Also keep in mind that there was a temporary surge in chinese demand for gold products in conjuncture with a weakening dollar which further skewed prices. Personally I think if gold hasn't peaked yet it's pretty damn close.
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07-03-2006, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by SexualRB

In March they did away with reporting M3 the most accurate gauge for money supply. That is one of many red flags, that hyperinflation is coming.

There's to many national entities that have to much stake in the dollar for (true) hyper-inflation to occur anytime in the immediate future. Unless you're just trying to use sensationalist vocabulary.
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07-03-2006, 03:41 PM

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I believe hyper-inflation is what happends right before a deflationary period...Am I wrong?

there was no "hyper-inflation" during the 1920's, (it was a similar period to the late 1990's with a stock market bubble and speculative real estate prices) and the deflationary depression of the 1930's followed the crash in 1929.

In the late 1970's there was almost runaway inflation, which was followed by the early 80's brief recession, but since then it has been a period of relatively low inflation, if you are using the CPI/PPI as a guide. All of the easy credit pumped in by the fed since 2002/2003 has gone into driving up house prices, stock prices, hedge funds, Oil price, etc. This was more a period of "re-inflation" which is probably about over.

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07-03-2006, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by MattK

there was no "hyper-inflation" during the 1920's, (it was a similar period to the late 1990's with a stock market bubble and speculative real estate prices) and the deflationary depression of the 1930's followed the crash in 1929.

In the late 1970's there was almost runaway inflation, which was followed by the early 80's brief recession, but since then it has been a period of relatively low inflation, if you are using the CPI/PPI as a guide. All of the easy credit pumped in by the fed since 2002/2003 has gone into driving up house prices, stock prices, hedge funds, Oil price, etc. This was more a period of "re-inflation" which is probably about over.

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07-03-2006, 03:51 PM

here is an old 2004 article talking about rising commodity prices followed by deflation

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/commen...rarian_vi.html

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07-03-2006, 04:01 PM

Good discussion....

If hyperinflation doesnt happen, then deflation will.

However, deflation can be prevented but only through hyperinflation. Governments have been doing that for centuries. They spend, accumulate debt and run large deficits and ultimately they keep printing money (to prevent deflation) until its value collapses. It's happened over and over again.

What you have to realize is that if deflation occurs here, it will put the economy in a 5-10 year depression- that will take massive reflation to get out of. The debt and deficits are too high for deflation to occur. The Fed and everyone else is scared of deflation.

BlueWire is right- deflation occurs after inflation or hyperinflation. Good deflation will occur after this hyperinflation though.

Whoever posted about reflation was exactly right- however, the Fed is getting ready to reflate everything again. Also, if you look at around the world, governments are debasing their own currencies in order to keep up or down I should say, with the dollars debasement in order to protect their balance of trade.

The Fed people are not inflation busters. The Fed creates inflation along w/government. Inflation is the creation of more money...the effect is rising prices. The government and the Fed have altered the CPI so many times to deceive the public. Not to mention the Fed doing away with reporting M3 (the money supply gauge) as its getting ready to skyrocket. Not to mention the tens of trillions of unfunded liabilities. We can only pay for them by printing the money.

One thing I want to note is that gold stocks have actually done well in deflationary periods.

Anyway, fundamentals as well as technical analysis is signaling hyperinflation. The reflation that is about to occur will go into everything...stocks, real estate, commodities. Hyperinflation is a few years off at least but its good to build your ark now. Focus on the metals and other commodities.
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07-03-2006, 04:19 PM

I think the reflation has already happened with all of the market bubbles since early 2003 and the real estate bubble.

2007-2008 could see a big recession or worse. The first clue is a big decline in stocks and real estate, along with Gold below $500/oz and other commodities dropping. This will signify less liquidity in the markets (hedge funds will replay the LTCM crisis in 1998) people will become more catious and stop spending, and we could have basically the same situation as in 1990's Japan - deflation.
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07-03-2006, 04:21 PM

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07-03-2006, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by SexualRB

The Fed people are not inflation busters. The Fed creates inflation along w/government. Inflation is the creation of more money...the effect is rising prices. The government and the Fed have altered the CPI so many times to deceive the public. Not to mention the Fed doing away with reporting M3 (the money supply gauge) as its getting ready to skyrocket. Not to mention the tens of trillions of unfunded liabilities. We can only pay for them by printing the money.

Wow have you even remotely followed the track record of the last 5 appointees? Talking about 'the fed's' track record is a pretty dim way to look at it as there was just a majority shift in philosophy with the appointment of Bernake. Yes he is a classical theory inflation buster. No contrary to your marginal understanding this does not mean he seeks to eliminate inflation, what it does mean is that he will raise reserve rates and interest rates to combate hyperinflation significantly more agressivly than his predecesor. Inflation is a good thing, out of control inflation is not.

Nice to know you've even looked into the recent hikes in gold prices respective to demand issues rather then simply as a currency hedge. Oh wait. That aside there are much safer\more lucrative ways to hedge the dollar, than the commodity markets for your average investor.

Either way, nice to know you chose to read 1-2 overviews written by others and regurgitate them rather than actually taking the time to understand a complex economic system and form your own opinion.
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07-06-2006, 10:21 PM

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07-07-2006, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by GigoloMason

That aside there are much safer\more lucrative ways to hedge the dollar, than the commodity markets for your average investor.

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07-07-2006, 12:33 AM

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07-07-2006, 12:40 AM

New gold coins are ok, but for several reasons I'm more of a fan of the OLD euro gold coins...

That new one is worth picking up of course if you're a collector, that's a given.

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07-13-2006, 09:53 AM

hey trendsman... how many of your collegues agree that there is hyperinflation coming along and agree with your strategy?
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07-13-2006, 10:00 AM

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07-13-2006, 10:02 AM

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07-13-2006, 10:11 AM

Gold will go under $500/oz before it makes any big rally
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07-13-2006, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by MattK

Gold will go under $500/oz before it makes any big rally

Is it really worth missing it going to $800++ while you're sitting around trying to pick a bottom? While the price might temporarily dip while the USD gains some traction, with the geopolitical climate as farked as it is right now its a safe bet to park some assets in commodities like gold, oil and corn.

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