dedicated to all my programmers, etc

[drunken spider]

this is what I think of you:

static.flickr.com/28/49634890_3653754289_m.jpg

polymerclaycentral.com/castle/images/lesdink13.jpg

[drunken spider]

I'll go back and hotlink it after I get 30 posts ;-)

[nofx]

go away

please

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by nofx

go away

please

haha...why? who are you?

[NoWhErE]

Are you developping another posting habit?

[butterflybucks]

sometimes i just don't know what to think or say

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Are you developping another posting habit?

yeah, I got the jones...I wish I could hot link, but I need 30 posts

[belle2003]

mythrillworld.com

[drunken spider]

very nice ;-)

[madawgz]

still not at 30 posts? cmon thats ez!

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

30 posts in 30 mins is what madawgz mode is

[CaptainHowdy]

Hello World

[drunken spider]

My fucking programmers:

[3M TA3]

Originally Posted by drunken spider

My fucking programmers:

those are some hot chicks

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by 3M TA3

those are some hot chicks

they may be hot, but delivery date is way past due..........!

[drunken spider]

oh...they will hate me tomorrow :-)

[drunken spider]

Let's explain this:

Wanting work:



They get a job:

[flashbang]

Program it yourself see how long it takes compared to what you pay

Then see if you'd ever do it again.. Oh wait, you can't.. Anyone who pays programmer's less than $30 an hour deserves what they get

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by flashbang

Program it yourself see how long it takes compared to what you pay

Then see if you'd ever do it again.. Oh wait, you can't.. Anyone who pays programmer's less than $30 an hour deserves what they get

true true, I agree

[drunken spider]

but, it takes 2x as long as if I do it, or maybe 5 - 7x as long

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by flashbang

Program it yourself see how long it takes compared to what you pay

Then see if you'd ever do it again.. Oh wait, you can't.. Anyone who pays programmer's less than $30 an hour deserves what they get

well, this really depends...php/mysql overseas is not going to be this much and that depends on the local economy of course

[MosesTheTool]

Spiders shouldn't be drinking ;)

[flashbang]

Going overseas will cost you 4 times as much, because they don't have a clue what you want, and the language barrier will take you 50 times longer to get across what the point of what you want.

Custom coded apps should cost 100 times more than a general application if not more.. There's no way to not spend many hours going through this and
that and testing and editing and changing and that shit takes time.

Then on top of it you have platform and configuration issues.

Which is why no real programmer would work steady for small jobs.
The smallest of jobs will take a week of time no matter if it takes 5 hours to code. If your not spending at least $2k per project, you will get burned most of the time or get crap

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by flashbang

Going overseas will cost you 4 times as much, because they don't have a clue what you want, and the language barrier will take you 50 times longer to get across what the point of what you want.

Custom coded apps should cost 100 times more than a general application if not more.. There's no way to not spend many hours going through this and
that and testing and editing and changing and that shit takes time.

Then on top of it you have platform and configuration issues.

Which is why no real programmer would work steady for small jobs.
The smallest of jobs will take a week of time no matter if it takes 5 hours to code. If your not spending at least $2k per project, you will get burned most of the time or get crap

I agree...all in all, it is a difficult business

[AlexShark]

me can codde your fakkke tdp for $1/hour + dial up expensis... deal?

Originally Posted by flashbang

Going overseas will cost you 4 times as much, because they don't have a clue what you want, and the language barrier will take you 50 times longer to get across what the point of what you want.

Custom coded apps should cost 100 times more than a general application if not more.. There's no way to not spend many hours going through this and
that and testing and editing and changing and that shit takes time.

Then on top of it you have platform and configuration issues.

Which is why no real programmer would work steady for small jobs.
The smallest of jobs will take a week of time no matter if it takes 5 hours to code. If your not spending at least $2k per project, you will get burned most of the time or get crap

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by AlexShark

me can codde your fakkke tdp for $1/hour + dial up expensis... deal?

rocking!!!

[nofx]

Originally Posted by drunken spider

haha...why? who are you?

someone who you will never do biz with

;]

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by nofx

someone who you will never do biz with

;]

haha...why and do I care? anyway, you're doing good business bouncing my thread

[soulswagon]

Programmers are notoriously bad for underestimating their time.

Good rule of thumb if you're only "pretty sure" how long a project will take:
Take your most liberal estimate, double it, then add 20%. You'll hit it pretty close to that almost every time.

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by soulswagon

Programmers are notoriously bad for underestimating their time.

Good rule of thumb if you're only "pretty sure" how long a project will take:
Take your most liberal estimate, double it, then add 20%. You'll hit it pretty close to that almost every time.

without a doubt..and maybe double that too

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by LOL :D

30 posts in 30 mins is what madawgz mode is

Matto even...

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by drunken spider

My fucking programmers:

in a nutshell

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by nofx

someone who you will never do biz with

;]

what exactly did I do to you, or are you just an asshole in general?

[Shocking]

only programmers knows why they take so long to deliver.

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by Shocking

only programmers knows why they take so long to deliver.

they have two modes:

1. hungry birds
2. too busy, can't give a shit

[teksonline]

Originally Posted by AlexShark

me can codde your fakkke tdp for $1/hour + dial up expensis... deal?

Ugh, I developed Fake Text TGP, You got a fucking problem?

The Coding part aint shit, I coded fake text tgp in few days from no knowledge of desired project. The time comes from many factors you don't even think of when hiring a programmer. Proper Development Design before coding even starts, to many factors that come up that are not thought of when a development begins, to implementation, testing, consulting with client. etc.

Go ahead, hire a india coder, with the request of "I want a clone of XX" and offer your $99 and see how fast your server gets hacked when he codes shit so quick and fast that mysql injections, and cross scripting, etc etc happens and its so hard coded you can't edit it and your project is dead before it began.

If it's so fucking easy? Do it yourself. But your a skillless troll so fuck off

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by teksonline

Ugh, I developed Fake Text TGP, You got a fucking problem?

The Coding part aint shit, I coded fake text tgp in few days from no knowledge of desired project. The time comes from many factors you don't even think of when hiring a programmer. Proper Development Design before coding even starts, to many factors that come up that are not thought of when a development begins, to implementation, testing, consulting with client. etc.

Go ahead, hire a india coder, with the request of "I want a clone of XX" and offer your $99 and see how fast your server gets hacked when he codes shit so quick and fast that mysql injections, and cross scripting, etc etc happens and its so hard coded you can't edit it and your project is dead before it began.

If it's so fucking easy? Do it yourself. But your a skillless troll so fuck off

yo dude...what the fuck are you talking about? we ain't no BS here...

[teksonline]

Originally Posted by soulswagon

Programmers are notoriously bad for underestimating their time.

Good rule of thumb if you're only "pretty sure" how long a project will take:
Take your most liberal estimate, double it, then add 20%. You'll hit it pretty close to that almost every time.

Hogwash, this comes from improper communication from client.
Developer makes draft script and all of a sudden client wants, x,y,z added,
a,b,c modified, and this done this way and that done that way.

Take some time, sit down and outline everything you need in your program from every single click made. Or expect delays. Let's take a POTD script
for example.

....
Client contacts programmer....I need a Thumbnail script made that updates
new pics everyday, and I can import pics into a admin control panel...

Every programmer is like sure thats easy....Won't take long at all
and ideally it don't But its not going to end up to be very effective, you have to understand, there are hundreds of mechanics behind this, and other things that pop up, and if you have not explained your needs the programmer might have to go back and rewrite a database, or rewrite functions over and over because you need something added that was not explained. For instance let's say the client did not want the POTD to be run dynamically from a database, which is how the progammer concepted it... The client wanted the end page to display staticly... This omitted choice could be disasterious to programmer and his time because how it was originally developed.

You need to sit down and explain what you need in the control panel, to operation, to how exactly it operates. from deleting pics, to how its displayed to.. If you can't sit down and do this then the developer will help from experience but this is time and he should be paid for his time. And expect weeks added to the project.

Also programmers are working in a technical field and problems come up, shit, you computer operators have daily problems just trying to turn on your computers, imagine the bs we go thru working on 50,000 different systems with different settings, and compiler bugs, and module bugs, that can take days to debug that are not the programmers fault, Should we not get paid for this frustration? Should we lose weeks of pay because of someone elses fault? Should this not be expected to be paid by client? The client is the one requesting the custom program and programming, time, debugging is all the same.

Deal with it or get out of business. Anyone who codes for peanuts will scam you.. And you know this, you are gambling, expect what you deserve

[Egomancer]

Lol,

you live in a dreamworld! Project Specifications? Man, I never seen any half decent specification in ages from one of my clients. They just tell me: I want a site like that one, and this is all.
And when I make an estimation to a client - I take what my programmer says and I multiply with 2 and sometime we still get past the deadline, lol!

Egomancer

[drunken spider]

ahhh...programming...it's a hard job!

[teksonline]

Originally Posted by Egomancer

Lol,

you live in a dreamworld! Project Specifications? Man, I never seen any half decent specification in ages from one of my clients. They just tell me: I want a site like that one, and this is all.
And when I make an estimation to a client - I take what my programmer says and I multiply with 2 and sometime we still get past the deadline, lol!

Egomancer

Dreamworld? No, It's called a professional work enviroment. Of course you're dream is wondering where your next job will come from. Which is why you have to offer your services for 50 cent an hour

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by Egomancer

Lol,

you live in a dreamworld! Project Specifications? Man, I never seen any half decent specification in ages from one of my clients. They just tell me: I want a site like that one, and this is all.
And when I make an estimation to a client - I take what my programmer says and I multiply with 2 and sometime we still get past the deadline, lol!

Egomancer

BTW, Andrei is my main man

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by teksonline

Dreamworld? No, It's called a professional work enviroment. Of course you're dream is wondering where your next job will come from. Which is why you have to offer your services for 50 cent an hour

What do you mean 50 cents an hour? Geez...you are raving tonight

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by drunken spider

Let's explain this:

Wanting work:



They get a job:

bump for the fucking nuts

[drunken spider]

let's get this thread back on track....

this is NOT an outsourcing thread

this IS a fucking programmers drive me crazy thread

[teksonline]

Sorry but this thread has been converted it to a "programmers strike back" thread. I have nothing to do with outsourcing.

Sorry but no trolling chirps will shit on us here.

[drunken spider]

Originally Posted by teksonline

Sorry but this thread has been converted it to a "programmers strike back" thread. I have nothing to do with outsourcing.

Sorry but no trolling chirps will shit on us here.

haha..ok...carry on

[Egomancer]

teksonline, you have no clue about what you are talking. I was complaining that the clients that come with projects to me do not have at least half decent specifications. Furthermore, they do not want to make them and someone needs to spend countless hours to understand what that guy really wants.
Sometimes he does not know eother and changes the requirements often. Which would not be a problem, but when you ask for extra payement they get very nervous because they do not understand why, I mean it was only a 'small' modification.

Egomancer

[drunken spider]

oh geez...this is not an outsoursing rumble thread...

but, in my personal opinion, outsourcing is mixed and it all depends on building up relationships.

services are hard since you spend a lot of time on a quote and need to find the good clients.

[AlexShark]

$99? me think u is kiddin... We can devellope for $19.99 curry flavour included )

Originally Posted by teksonline

Ugh, I developed Fake Text TGP, You got a fucking problem?

The Coding part aint shit, I coded fake text tgp in few days from no knowledge of desired project. The time comes from many factors you don't even think of when hiring a programmer. Proper Development Design before coding even starts, to many factors that come up that are not thought of when a development begins, to implementation, testing, consulting with client. etc.

Go ahead, hire a india coder, with the request of "I want a clone of XX" and offer your $99 and see how fast your server gets hacked when he codes shit so quick and fast that mysql injections, and cross scripting, etc etc happens and its so hard coded you can't edit it and your project is dead before it began.

If it's so fucking easy? Do it yourself. But your a skillless troll so fuck off